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Ummmmm, the Cakewalk Command Center did just that. It had the ability to roll back to any version you wanted. I even did it a few times just to be sure I wasn't 'drunk at the time' something went nutzo.

This is an oft-broached topic, people bemoaning that something doesn't work right after an upgrade or how do I roll back to the previous version, yada yada (before figuring out that it was something else that changed on their system that broke it), so I'll share a tip. Typically when CbB is updated, the major changes only occur in C:\Program Files\Cakewalk\Cakewalk Core (assuming you have installed Cakewalk in the default location, if you have not, adjust accordingly) If you want to upgrade to the latest version of CbB yet also retain the ability to run the previous version, all you need to do is make a copy of Cakewalk Core before you let the upgrade do its thing. If you want to get fancy, you can rename the copied folder to reflect exactly which revision of the program it contains. In this way you could have 2 or 3 revisions of CbB sitting there if you wanted to. To set this up: Right click on C:\Program Files\Cakewalk\Cakewalk Core and select Copy. Right click in the C:\Program Files\Cakewalk folder and select Paste. This will result in there being a new folder with the name "Cakewalk Core - Copy" which you can rename "Cakewalk Core Previous" or whatever. Then let the upgrade run its course. If you want to run the previous version, all you need to do is run the Cakewalk.exe that is inside the "Cakewalk Core Previous" folder, which you can do directly or from a shortcut.

Define gentleman. A man who knows how to play the bagpipes. But chooses not to.

Yep, THIS. ^^ I always include this in my mastering fee. Doesn't take long but is much more pro and saves a lot of wailing and gnashing of teeth later.

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Hey catchy little number you have hear. The 19 yr old mind was certainly a good story songteller. I was going to point out the compressed on the vocals but you got there first. Dunno if you are up for arrangement ideas, but it might be cool for the first four bars of the intro, just a capella vocals. Then the instrumentation sparse, then the drums as you have them. The vocals are nice and hooky. It has a 60s feel, which, doing the math, makes perfect sense 😃

Since this has come up in this forum so many times, and the staff at Cakewalk reads here, I have to think they have a reason for not wanting us to be able to roll back easily. Probably they'd rather have a shot at fixing problems instead of users simply reverting to an older version and never telling Cakewalk about the issues they have. My opinion only.

The best way to see if the watermark is there is to play the file, if you hear it (it's a voice that will be over your track every 5 seconds or so) then it's there. If you play the file and it doesn't have the voice it's clean. Most likely the client loaded your file, saved it (to convert to an MP3 maybe or to trim it or whatever) and didn't realize the free software they were using would add the watermark. From Google search this seems to happen a lot.

In a way the song sounds like early Soundgarden meets Metallica, I really like the vocals good job.

Finally!! LOL Yes, the bass player is a former guitar player. That obvious? 😁 Oh yeah, I know what part you're talking about now. That reminds me, I completely forgot that I went back (in this most recent one you listened to) and added more emphasis to that with an additional drum part that accents that Ba, Ba, Ba, Ba part. Was hoping to get that to poke out a bit more. I'll update the original post with this as the new master.

As Rush put it "Living in the Limelight, the Universal Dream" ! : ) Maybe that's why it sounds so good, ya'll are really relaxed and not trying to prove nothing to nobody. : ) For me I love mixing. I mean I could do this everyday all day long, into the night, never go to bed..... but that ain't real!! I gotta make a living, SO I have to work. : ( I still try to mix, and I ain't half bad. But for me it's so hard to say "Yes, this is finished!" I always am listening, thinking how can I get this part to sound like this, or that. I am always hearing some little thing wrong with it. The bad thing is when I go back and listen to it after some time has past I'm like, what was I hearing? That sounds good. So I listen again and next thing I know, I got it back in the box trying to fix that little something that I am the only one hearing!!! So I haven't been able to find that balance. Or to let it go!! Keep it up though, your doing a great job. Just gotta let that bass guitar stand out some more. : )

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What you saying, bro? 🤔 😊

I figured it out eventually (and nearly lost my mind in the process). I was snooping around the entire forum for similar problems and came across this http://forum.cakewalk.com/Solved-SONAR-Platinum-will-not-start-m3179162.aspx So I uninstalled ASIO driver and tried installing CbB again. It launched this time (hooray!) I reinstalled the ASIO driver and it failed to launch again. (booo!) I ensured that my midi device and keyboard controller were connected (they weren’t previously), reinstalled ASIO, reinstalled CbB and all is well again. (hooray again!) I find it very strange that you seemingly can’t launch the software without devices connected to the system. Is this a known issue? If it is it needs to go on page 1 of the user guide. Thanks for help and guidance from anyone who bothered to respond. All your efforts are much appreciated. Graham.

Hi kakku, Great tune + love the rocking roomy drums pushing things along. Thanks for sharing. Good Job! regards paul

Oh good heavens, things were worse than I thought. Really? Wow. I wasn't kidding when I said that I'd never seen (nor heard of) any software company doing that, and given the egos I encountered when I was in the software biz, I find it astonishing. An OS update, yes, but they're usually touting the latest update as having fixed everything.

I listened to all 3 mixes. I would feed that 3rd mix to the birds, its toast. im hearing heavy digital overload and drop out @ 1:31. This is a great song man. A wee bit heavy for my liking (genre wise) but wow this song kicks serious *****. everything just blends in well. Especially from a skill standpoint (vocals, drums, guitars) are nice and tight.

Hi Gary, Can I take it that your recording the real instrument? If so, it maybe your Mic, and that said I would use a condenser (or two) as it would have a crisper result than a dynamic. From there I would try two tracks or possibly even three and use the full spectrum for the LRC, applying some delicate EQ to the L&R recording and all but removing the lower range on the center track might be the feel your looking for .. I would suggest that this mix be put on a separate bus so as to fine tune it to where it will sit in the mix, and then to home and out. All that said it's a great song! and if the guys here like it (me also) and your not selling it ... Don't knock yourself out just have fun 🤗 All the best Steve

Update for anyone interested..... As suggested I have submitted the .dmp file to CW support and await their response. In the meantime I have discovered that using the VST3 version of the plugin does not cause the issue, so I at least have a workaround. I'm clueless as to why that might be and have also submitted that info to CW. I thought I read somewhere way back that CW will automatically use the VST3 version of a selected plugin anyway if one is available. Or did I dream that? While I was discovering this, the plugin vendor responded to suggest that maybe the problem is being caused by me using the VST3 version and that I should make sure I'm using VST2. I've now updated them that it appears to be quite the opposite and await their response.

Wellll, see my snarky parenthetical comment about a person's issue usually being something other than an update to Cakewalk itself. I just do not believe that there are enough instances where an update to the CbB software actually hoses someone's DAW system for it to matter. What usually seems to happen, in my observation, is that an upgrade ships, then someone's setup breaks a few days later and the upgrade is only one of the things that has changed by that time, including updates to Windows 10, plug-ins, drivers, etc. I've noticed that the cries for rollbacks seldom happen right after an upgrade ships, which is when you would expect to hear them if they contained code likely to have great negative effect. To be fair, when someone is in ripping your hair out troubleshooting mode, it could come in quite handy to be able to at least eliminate the Cakewalk update as the source of injury. I'm putting this up as an answer to an oft-asked question, and in case savvy users like you and Mark want to archive older builds. I really, really wish there were a Tips 'n' Tricks subforum on here. I know there is a Tutorials forum, but that is for posting links to offsite tutorials. Steve Cook has already posted it more than once, but not with the flashy title as its own topic. This one can be bump't if we get tired of people asking.😊 As Mark said, it's for peace of mind. Not what I would consider a necessity. I don't actually do it myself. Each build of CbB is thoroughly raked over by a horde of beta testers, and if there were any further nastiness it would be intercepted instantly by people who automatically let BA have its way and would post on the forum. The devs would code up a patch and push it out right away. So for people in the middle of mission-critical projects and whatnot, simply waiting a few days after each version drops is what I would consider sufficient insurance against bugs. Cakewalk: The Vanishing was about the worst bug I've seen make it into the wild in the BandLab era, and it was squashed pretty quickly.

This can be done globally. Under "Controller names", "Standard" in Define instruments and Names, you can customise the list as shown below. It would be nice if this can be done per VST synth, however.

Yup... I've revolved around the sun 55 times 🙂 I'll give the arrangement ideas ago for sure... Thanks for listening. I just can not seem to get the accordion sounding correctly. Most instruments I hear in my mind and can get... if you understand what I mean... but the accordion I cant seem to get to fit in. Its recorded OK.. but the tone of it. Would you mix the same as a piano? I've tried 800hz boost and also cut.. I just dont get it!! I can bring it out front.. but it doesnt sound correct and warm as I want it. I've restarted the mix about 8 times... just leaves me with a blank. Also with all the latest techno software.. Nutron 3 and mix checker etc... when checked against their recommendations its correct. Blinded by science!! Think I need to give it a rest for a while.

I agree, nice perky vibe. I'm agreeing also with the drum comments above. It might be just the snare with a ton of roomy reverb. Do you ever think about more electronic / house type of drums? Might be interesting, personal taste of course. Cool work, Kakku. Your songs are breezy and make me want to visit Scandinavia. Is that where u are based? Cheers, -Tom

Half a day? Damn. Were you on Mercury? This would have taken me a year. Loved your tune, the mix, and the awesome guitar tones. Great vocals too!

This Thread is certainly entertaining Now that I have been thoroughly inspired by The Trio of Virtuoso Unobtainable Never in my Lifetime Ever Female Curvaceous Delectable Wiminez that Execute Lighting Fast Dance Moves while playing the Bag Pipes . I have decided to lower my standards and squeeze an old Hag ... I'm a coming Granny I will see you at Bingo tomorrow Night ...After Bingo ...make sure you keep the room Extra Dark ...lol Kenny

Another one for the band name list. Thank You. You guys are a never ending source of inspiration.

Well K12CE is 900gig according to specs, if you only have 630g on the hard drive then ............ Not a biggie perhaps if you have great internet, one thing is for sure, native access will tell you nothing about what it is doing, it is an evil and devious application, just sits there smiling while it endlessly downloads mega gigs behind the scenes and all the time your DAW will need to be connected to the internet and if any download should fail...... This means you will need to have an anti virus on your DAW because it will be spending so much time on the internet. When I think of service center I think what a helpful and pleasant application it was, keeping me well informed and offering me the choice of downloading anything at all or going to the library and downloading it manually on another computer and then transferring it to my computer, no sustained internet connection required. When I think of native access, I feel insecurity and fear that I just know is going to boil over into frustration and anger and disappointment.

I so much want to touch this one but we are not suppose to go down that road😏 So just have fun with this great software called Cakewalk 😀

Looks overpriced. 😆

The reason I said what I said was because that is the only answer I could come up with at the time. I had this happen with a plugin and it simply crashed the host it was in. I informed the developer and also posted about it in the forum on another web site of the host. I did everything I could to find the cause. I never did find the cause. However, I stopped using it until I was sure it wouldn't crash the host. A couple months later it was no longer crashing. I don't know if the host developer fixed it or the plugin developer did. I do know that when a plugin crashes a host its a good idea to not use it. That was the real point of the post. Also I answered mainly to let the OP know the post had been noticed. This forum is a place that can do remarkable things but why a plugin crashes is a very hard problem to solve here.

Unfortunately the C00000005 error is not particularly helpful. It's a Windows System error. It basically means the plugin is trying to access memory it doesn't own. The cause of this could be a number of things though: the most common is memory corruption (due to a bug in the plugin, not your physical memory), however even that could have a number of underlying causes such as pointers to memory locations being overwritten, or memory that was owned by the process but has since been deallocated. I appreciate this doesn't help you get any nearer to solving this. Hopefully support can at least tell whether its something that Cakewalk is doing (like effectively pulling the rug from under the plugin's feet, memory-wise), or whether its a problem solely with the plugin itself.

Don't you think it’s wrong that only one company makes the game Monopoly? Speaking of, Don't play poker with Tarot cards I did once got a full house and 4 people died. Which reminds me, yesterday a woman at the grocery store leaned toward me and whispered I was going to tell you a joke about my *****, but you will never get it. Don't you hate it when someone answers their own question. I do but that's not important right now The New England Journal of Medicine reports that 9 out of 10 doctors agree that 1 out of 10 doctors is an idiot. You're not in trouble til you hear a doc say you have a very short time left and you ask how much and says 10 and you say 10 what and says he says 9 8 7 6

Color me surprised! (Not.)

Tom, this is a song to savor. I had to listen a few times just to take everything in. I knew you were quirky, but this takes it to another level. I won't comment on the mix or music because they're a perfect pairing for the message. This is a lament I hear quite a bit these days, and you put it into a foot-tapping, jazzy song that's very rich indeed. Excuse me now, I'm going to order some Bombas...🧦

Ok, here ya go: Mix 1 is the most dynamic out of the three. I could listen to it over and over and not get tired of it. It does however lack the low end that I am use to hearing out of this genre. Mix 2 is better as far as the lowend goes. But not the lowest end. MAy need a little more. Mix 3 is too loud. But it has the best sound out of them all. That maybe the winner! Will give a better listen when I get home on my studio speakers.

I agree with the others that it sounds as if the client has used a demo version of an audio conversion program to supply different formats for distribution. I gently suggest that this is an issue of client management. Ask them what formats they require for distribution so that you may deliver them in those final formats. Instruct them not to do any conversion themselves, that you will be happy to supply any further formats if required. This will prevent any future such problems. If this is not practical for whatever reasons, I recommend that you supply your files in FLAC format and that the client use MediaHuman Audio Converter to do their conversions. MediaHuman is 100% freeware and does not impose any watermarking. It is easy to use, available on Windows and Mac OSX and handles conversions to and from all popular formats. https://www.mediahuman.com/audio-converter/ I hope this helps!

And how does that opinion help the OP? Sometimes it is and sometimes it isn't, and sometimes it's a grey area. One thing I suspect, if the OP were to post this screen grab in the plug-in manufacturer's forum, the chorus of "Sektor works just fine in every other DAW" would be deafening.😂 All we know at this point is that Cakewalk is crashing after paulo unfreezes a Sektor track. What to do? Larry has it right. Contact support, send them the dump file. Maybe there's a configuration or workflow change that can be made in Cakewalk that can prevent this. He should also check with the company who make Sektor to see if anyone else has had similar troubles. The usual troubleshooting questions apply: is this in just one project or any project that uses Sektor, does it happen with a brand new project started in CbB, etc. I have had plug-ins that started working incorrectly after updates to a DAW, and it was determined that the way the plug-in was coded was the problem. The plug-in manufacturer was unresponsive (Sonivox, notorious for this sort of thing). But it worked fine before my DAW made the change, so whose "problem" was it really when my DAW company were the ones who broke the functionality for me and the other users of the VSTi? Next rev of the DAW, they made some changes to other stuff and it mysteriously started working again, so it was all good in the end. No matter what the sins of the plug-in, the host may either trap errors gracefully or fall flat on its face. A correctly-coded plug-in may also expose flaws in a host by making calls to functions that most other plug-ins don't. For these reasons, it's not really helpful to blow it off with "it's probably the plug-in's fault" and leave it at that. Having said that, it's also kind of silly to title the thread "everywhere" a crash when all it is is one plug-in. I mean, come on, it's frustrating, but how about something more descriptive?

I've listened to this 4 times, and I still can hardly believe that you're singing this. Only because your voice can be so different from song to song. This is a cool song with an even cooler beat. The mix if very good, and it sounds warm and inviting, thus, drawing the listener into the song. You're one of the best!

Cool groove, not sure if I am hearing the modified version but I am not hearing nay bass issue here on the Adam's thanks for sharing.

One of my favorite comedians. 🙂

I'm only about 124.50 Euro's short of my 124.50 Euro upgrade to Kontakt full. That's the closest I've ever been 😁 It's getting closer and closer 😎 Next year perhaps 😉🤘

I was going to respond to this thread earlier, but then it sort of exploded. Some of these comments are already mentioned, but worth repeating. First and foremost, if music it is something you enjoy, then do it for that reason. Doing it for any other reason is something to reconsider. Vocally, in addition to advice above, know your range and limitations, and leverage those. A chromatic tuner is an awesome tool to practice with and will help you with determining your comfortable range as well - the reason I say this is that while singing to a piano note is great, you also need to know where you are. Practicing duration for notes will yield a lot of insight into what is most comfortable for both range and duration of passages (esp. for your own lyrics). Once you know your normal range and capabilities, you can choose songs in a proper tuning for your voice. One big reason 432 tuning is used is to remove stress from the vocalist... there are many options for this. The focus here is to leverage the true range of your voice, not to "force" it to where it doesn't want to go. With asthma, takes lanes and comping can be your friend. If running out of air, rather than strain yourself, leverage this tool. Do passages multiple times individually if necessary, but over time you may find you can do more and more in one pass. Practicing is like exercise, so simple things like "karaoke" where you sing to a recorded track (in your range), then mix the commercial track down (or even mute it) will yield a lot of insight. Again, these are tools to know yourself, adapt, and improve. In-ear-monitor (or headphones)... people sound differently (higher) when recorded than they do to themselves because the bones between the vocal chords and the ears actually dampen higher frequencies. Listening to the mic in real-time allows you to hear and adjust your singing dynamically. Once you get used to this, you will condition yourself to sing the way it gets heard (by the mic and your audience). As was mentioned previously in this thread, a lot of this comes from singing technique and learning yourself. If you have never seen the movie "The King's Speech," it is worth watching... but will leave this with a simple scene from it:

Nice...I like it. I can easily hear this as part of the soundtrack for a sci-fi.

What can I add to what has been said above? Expertly crafted, performed, and mixed! Oh ya, and the video is definitely cool-- is that a commercial video or did one of you make it? Of course the bass sounds great ---- but ---- that growling vocal really sets an edge to the song. Brilliant stuff guys!!!

What’s to say. Cool tune and vid.😊👍

This song is hardcore - the lead vocal and lyrics is a nice fit for the song. The drum track really rocks. Cool guitar licks throughout. Nice job guys - this tune really rocks.

I've felt this way for years; left out - as a producer that has a heavy Rap/Hip-Hop/sampling influence, not having the basics to get a task done or get a decent workflow going without jumping across to another DAW or using ReWire could mess-up your creativity and your confidence in your DAW (SONAR/Cakewalk). I hope things change with BandLab. +1 @CosmicDolphin