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Larry Jones

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  1. Nope. I obsessively checked this forum hundreds of times over the nine months since last Spring's new product announcement, hoping to find a release date and pricing for a finished product (not gonna lie -- if it was not affordable for me I was going to have to look elsewhere). It seems that on the very day I resolved to create my current project in Studio One, there was a kind of sneak release of... I don't know, but maybe the final New Sonar. So I didn't know about it until a week later, when I was too busy climbing the S1 Learning Curve. @Noel Borthwick has said it's "not a beta," but reading the forum it looks to me like it's not a finished product either. I'm not technical enough to make any useful critiques of beta products, I don't have the kind of video monitors that would reveal the goodness of the new vector graphics, and forum members here have uncovered enough problems with the current "release" that I don't want to get involved right now. When Bandlab says New Sonar is really ready, I'll join in on a (free) trial period, fingers crossed that my fave DAW for the past twenty years is still The One for me.
  2. Have to say I was a little upset that he seemed to be "moving on" from CbB. I was using Pro Audio and SONAR for some time before the Gibson debacle, and was happy to pay the $$$ to keep it up to date, so I didn't know much of anything about the other DAWs out there. I think the biggest version was SONAR Platinum at ~$400, so I felt like I was using a legit product that was in the same league as other four hundred dollar DAWs. When Gibson pulled the plug, I tried a few other DAWs, and actually bought Samplitude and Studio One. So when Mike started to say CbB was merely the best free DAW and he was going to focus on S1, I took it personally. Couldn't help it. I'm not a cheer-leading fanboi, but hey -- I'm in touch with my sensitive side. This nine-month tease that's been going on has got me starting to use S1 exclusively. After all this time, the one element Bandlab has touted as the biggest and best development in new Sonar -- vector graphics -- is the one element forum users seem to find is not up to par. Bad color choices, blurry text, buttons that don't light up, etc. I mean, why wait nine months to put out a trial version, and then not get the UI right? It shakes my faith. I'm hoping a paid version of New Sonar gets released while I'm still young, and that it kicks ***** so I can buy it and get on with making music. But at the moment I'm learning Studio One. I'm not one of those "...create in Live, mix in Sonar, master in Studio One" kind of guys. I'll choose one DAW and stay with it. Who has time to get good with two, three (or more) programs?
  3. Haha! @John Vere, I believe you and I had this discussion a couple of years ago. The people who populate the Bandlab Universe can barely be called musicians, and the "work" they do bears only a passing resemblance to music. Great idea, facilitating collaboration, but during the worst of the pandemic I was able to produce several song projects with a five-piece band whose members are spread all over the country, without ever getting everyone together in the same room, and we even made videos! We drop-boxed files back and forth and it was not easy, but easier than using Bandlab. Edited to add: I'm not including my colleagues here who have crossed over to become Bandlab users in the "barely musicians" category. You guys are the best, and you raise the quality level anywhere you go.
  4. Unless you are an executive at Bandlab, you don't know this for a fact, and you are just speculating. You might turn out to be correct, but your forceful "this-is-the-way-it's-going-to-be" presentation is, at this point, really just guesswork. We are all -- as we have been for the past nine months -- waiting to receive the final verdict from Bandlab.
  5. I think what you are leaving out is that Bandlab is currently in a somewhat tenuous position with their flagship DAW, having announced it nine months ago and still not delivered. I don't think I'm the only long-time Cakewalk/Pro Audio/SONAR user who is a bit testy about being told the current free DAW is at end of life, and the replacement won't be free, and then suffering this interminable wait with very little info about what's happening. (Please note I don't use it because it is free. It became free while I was using it -- and paying regularly for upgrades.) So I don't think it's a foregone conclusion that when the beta of New Sonar expires, Bandlab will ask for more money to keep using the final release, simply because they will want to accommodate their existing customer base, which has been, all things considered, quite loyal and patient. I think the most likely scenario (and what do I know?) is that those who ponied up for the Bandlab Membership mainly to get access to New Sonar will be allowed to keep that access as part of their membership. After the membership expires, I'd expect to have a choice between re-upping and buying Sonar sans Membership. Otherwise I'd go from being testy to being cranky.
  6. @Chris Ward I've been following this thread since the start. Sorry I don't have the solution, but I'd like to suggest that if your problem is fixed, you should show the answer right here, so that future readers will have ready access to all the context of the previous three (or more?) pages. On that glorious day you can edit your original post and add the word "solved" to the title. Also, if you want to alert another forum user that you're saying something to them, type the @ symbol and then start typing the user name. A menu of names will drop down. Find the user you're trying to alert and select that name from the list. Good luck!
  7. @John Vere Are you one of The Knights Who Say Ni? Asking for a friend.
  8. @Johnny Penk Those who think Reaper can stretch audio "flawlessly" might want to have a look at these posts. No matter which DAW you're using there can be problems. You may not notice them, or you may not notice them right away, but suggestions (above) to get the tempo right before you get too far into the recording are good ones. On the other hand, it sounds as if Reaper is a good choice for your workflow, so maybe you should just use Reaper.
  9. Is there anyone here @scook hasn't helped? I know he's pulled me out of various techno rabbit holes. He seems to know everything there is to know about CbB (and earlier versions), and shares the knowledge tirelessly. Count me as hoping he is healthy and happy somewhere, and that he'll join us again here.
  10. Yeah, if Bandlab doesn't release the new product -- or at least some definite information -- soon, the money I've set aside to buy New Sonar will have to be spent on another DAW. There must be a way to do these things somewhere between Gibson's pulling the rug out without warning and Bandlab's (so far) 5-month tease.
  11. After a few hours of seeing this error when I tried to access the forum, I thought maybe the Big Day had arrived, and the next thing I would see here is the announcement that Sonar & Next are now available. But I guess it really was a bad gateway. Bad gateway!
  12. Pretty good! I think something along these lines should be posted as a sticky at the top of all these sub forums, to derail more long threads on the general topic of "OMG WHAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN!?!!" (And the way things are (not) going since the big announcement in June of this year, maybe it will be there permanently.) 🙃
  13. I rebuilt my system a couple of months ago and had a similar problem when trying to open some older projects. The offending plugin turned out to be the Cakewalk-bundled Breverb from back in the SONAR days. I stopped it from loading using Safe Mode, and the project opened and worked. But it turned out that I could re-insert Breverb in the same project and the project would load and function. Apparently at some point over the years there was an update to Breverb, and my older projects were looking for the pre-update version, and crashing the program when it tried to load the newer version instead. Maybe this answers your curiosity, although I think if it's fixed, you don't have to know what caused it.🙃
  14. This link works better: http://forum.cakewalk.com/SONAR-f70.aspx The old forum apparently does not have an SSL cert (no "s" in the http prefix).
  15. Peter - I don't have much to say about those days, and I never have been a technical guy anyway. I was learning by doing in the 70s and 80s, from building the studio to aligning tape machines to running sessions to marketing the operation to customer, um, relations. I sold the place right around the time digital recording became viable for schmoes like me, and I haven't looked back.
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