Leaderboard

1) Because this site. or anything done by a computer. will NEVER come close to replacing what Larry does. It is just a supplement, like my Tiger the Frog post was every November. It's not going to be as comprehensive or accurate or timely. Larry doesn't scrape twice a day--he posts instantly. Anybody who has ever tried to post something before him knows what I'm talking about. 😀 There's never been anything wrong with having other sites out there, like @Batwaffel at Reddit, KVR, Rekkerd, Sample Library Review, etc. Who cares? Use them if you want. Or don't. 2) Getting things organized in categories and alphabetized is useful, as my TTF posts prove. Getting a ticker-tape of deals as they happen, has its advantages, but its disadvantages too. A list that sticks is simply different. 3) Having a history of prices would be very nice. It's the one reason why people go back to my TTF posts all year round--to find out what the Black Friday prices were. Imagine what a true history over many years would be like as you are contemplating whether a sales price is a good one. That would have been so helpful for me when I was starting out. 4) Larry doesn't really want to be paid. I have repeatedly sent him notes offering help showing him how to monetize this. Aside from asking for some "coffees" for the first time last year, he has a passion to do this free for the community. He sees all of us as family. That's who he is. And that's why he's irreplaceable. It's ridiculous to think that a bot can offer anything like that. We know him and we care about what he says. I ask you, "Can a bot be pissed off at IK?" 🤣I think not.

Exactly. I also know that it will be difficult for anyone to monetize that kind of site at a really attractive level. Consider this, those sites are going to basically optimize for their own profit. They're all about aggregating affiliate links -- which overall, is an old technique in the digital world. But their site isn't going to have the community and related content that keeps people coming back. That's why this forum, KVR and VI Control do well. And powering the deals by people like cclarry, you get posts that aren't confined to affiliate marketing. That's why I am going to choose a forum like this first and why most people will too. #teamlarry

Wait a minute... Larry is HUMAN??? 😦

Get it here. From January 25th to January 31st, 2022 https://www.softube.com/dirty-tape

I'm not of the opinion that Cakewalk is losing share in the overall DAW market. Compared to 4 years ago, there are now multiple YouTube channels dedicated, or largely dedicated, to Cakewalk tips and tutorials. There's a good balance, too, with, for instance, @Xel Ohh and @AdK Studios covering hip hop/EDM methods and @Creative Sauce leaning more toward the traditional "recording studio" approach. There are others, too, and they're all very good, I've learned things from all of them. As for why there's not more coverage in traditional print media, I think that's down to the aforementioned zero budget for marketing, and, unfortunately, the free license model. BandLab don't buy ads, period. Now whether magazines are biased toward companies who do, I'll be charitable and say that it helps keep them off the radar, because the magazines' staffs don't pay attention to the product. There has always been a certain amount of quid pro quo in publications: buy our ads and we cover your products. BandLab are outside that loop, despite owning multiple music publications. The magazines know that even if they did a cover story on Cakewalk, BandLab wouldn't buy an ad in the issue. I think REAPER has the same issue: Cockos don't spend money on advertising, and consequently are never featured in SOS or CM or Beat. The fact that it's Windows-only, IMO has little to do with it, as Logic is regularly covered and only made for a much smaller platform. Mixbus and REAPER even run on Linux and you never see articles about them either. As far as hardware and other integration, sadly, our cherished freeware licensing model likely impacts that, as companies may see users of a freeware DAW as being either broke or cheapskates who don't like to spend money on music making tools. Something that also impacts it is that there are no staff dedicated to selling other companies on the benefits of integration with their products. The way it works is that at the very least, someone reaches out via phone or email and pitches the other company on how popular their DAW (or whatever) is and how their users are clamoring for better integration with their devices, how they'll both benefit from the companies being able to advertise (oh, that word again) the integration. This is one of the things that going to NAMM in Anaheim is great for, it lets companies be visible to each other and the press, and gives them a chance to stop by booths and schmooze. But we've lost the NAMM Show due to the pandemic. It used to be a good way to catch headcolds, so the caution is well-founded. That's my take on why Cakewalk gets so little press. What's worked well for REAPER is grass roots advocacy by an enthusiastic user base. That can be annoying at times, as it can come across as proselytizing. But suggesting it when someone on a forum or IRL or wherever asks "what's a good DAW?" helps. Also mentioning in notes on your Bandcamp or SoundCloud page that you made it in Cakewalk. I try to do my part and "give back" by helping people out on this forum (and occasionally on Facebook), creating multiple themes for public consumption, and submitting thorough bug reports, and the aforementioned Wikipedia editing. Remember, anyone can edit Wikipedia. There are entries for Sonar, Cakewalk, Inc., and the original program called Cakewalk. They were a mess before I edited them; grammatical errors, factual errors, timeline errors, missing information. The current program is still waiting for its own entry. So I think that for now, at least, grass roots promotion by the userbase is all Cakewalk can get. The dev staff are all industry veterans who know their way around, but they were really hired to develop, not market. Noel does keep the KVR entry up to date with each release.

But Waves is having a 'sale' - today only, any plugin for $29.99! Act quick, you don't want to miss this once-in-a-lifetime opportunity!

These are all fine ideas, but they require employees or consultants to do them. As far as I know, the only staff on Cakewalk are the developers and support. From my observations, BandLab's promotional budget for Cakewalk is next to nil. The only money I've seen them spend was sending some staff to Anaheim for the NAMM Show a couple of years back when we used to have NAMM Shows. I've suggested that there be Cakewalk laptop stickers and t-shirts made available for purchase. I've done some cleanup work on a few of the legacy Wikipedia pages, and made sure that Cakewalk by Bandlab is on all of the lists of DAW's and audio software, but there's still no page for Cakewalk by Bandlab itself.

This was so dirty I had to take a shower after using just once haha

For only $24.99 (normally $85), get TETRALITY by Audiofier! TETRALITY produces incredible combinations of acoustic instruments patterns which follow your chords. With 20 organic multi-sampled instruments and 4 layers, TETRALITY provides endless gorgeous arpeggiations and sequences arrangements which will beautify your tracks. TETRALITY’s extensive randomisation options will create automatically beautiful arrangements that work without clashing notes, and with rhythms, phrases and ornaments that make musical sense. This is a limited time offer you should not miss, hurry and save! NOTE: This bundle requires the paid version of Kontakt 5.8.1. It will not work with the free Kontakt player. Deal page: https://audioplugin.deals/tetrality-by-audiofier/ Deal ends on February 8th, 2022 at midnight eastern time KEY FEATURES 4 sound layers 20 multi-samples acoutic instruments 4 independent poly-rhythmic sequencers with 75 phrases presets Phrase improvisation with different degrees of variation Control sequences dynamics via CC1 – MOD wheel Divisi playing mode with divisi mode manager Phrase ornaments Fluid mapping system 8 master scenes Scale/Key manager Arpeggiator Layer mixer 1 convolution reverb per layer Master convolution reverb Master delay Extensive scene editing and management Intelligent automatic creation of scenes, sounds combinations and sequences Requires the full version of Kontakt 5.8.1+

The nice thing about collecting the price information is that you can then do all kinds of things with those numbers. For examples and ideas see IsThereAnyDeal, a website that collects information about games and then shows things like their price history among other interesting things. You can even set up price alerts that send you an email when a game's price falls below a threshold you have specified (ie. "let me know when I can get this game for a dollar"). Larry does invaluable work and this new website is not going to replace him or this forum for anyone, but I wouldn't mind having a tool that would show me all the plugins I want to buy and how their current price compares to previous sales. I have started to collect that kind of list for myself, but every time I add a new plugin to that list I need to search for its price history, and sometimes that information is not easy to come by. Quite often you only find the discount percentage, not the actual dollar amount.

I know this guy (the deleted one) from Twitter for more than a year and he always makes huge giveways. Devs seems to know him because he get lots of licenses from everyone to make prize draws. I'm a lucky guy and have at least 5 plugins from the last giveways

It's a shame he didn't post his site here when he created it instead of trying to tear down someone else who's doing a good job with a good idea and is open to the community for suggestions. Now THAT'S a good way to start posting on the forum! We're not hostile at all. Quite harmless, in fact. 🙂

These are amongst the best on the market although somewhat resource hogs. Another great sounding leslie plugin and very very low in resources is the Spin from GG Audio. I'm an organist, I disliked most of leslie sims for their fake sound, including Hammond-Suzuki own algorithmic (digital) leslie 😂. But I do get it that you can have a nice creative guitar sound out of most of them.

Nope- But not a bot either. Check his profile pic. "Live long and prosper"

They hide the individual installers well. Wow 3 iLok activations. Is that the same with all Softude stuff? (are ya listening Waves)

Thanks for posting about the site! Its obviously very early in the progress stage right now but I hope to make a lot of progress over the next 4-6 weeks

Percussion took some time on this track but i think it works well with the bass and drums. If you can subscribe i would be grateful, just stops YouTube monetising my channel

Here is a version I did of Josh Turners "Your Man" I remixed it as my skills are improving. Would value your thoughts. Thanks in advance. Gary

At Plugin Boutique Use Coupon – Spire30 Valid until 1st February (23:59 PST) https://www.pluginboutique.com/products/3187

When I got this a month ago it came with three free preset packs--Particles, Graphite, and Glo. I just looked and now there is a fourth one, Breeze. They say they will keep doing this. These free preset packs are as good or better as the ones that other companies charge bux for. Like the paid Output presets, they only use the onboard sounds. So far, they have only one paid preset pack, Air, which comes with sounds of its own. It lists for $49. During the holidays there was a deal on Cube and Air for $115. I picked the package up at Time+Space when they had one of those 15% off sales. Just a tip for everybody, because Air is nice, and if this price came before, it will return, and maybe by then there will be a package with more than one paid preset packs. Cube is one of my very favorite purchases from 2021.

And another nice one. Luckily a bit too spensif.

Get it here https://zero-g.co.uk/products/arc

Was hoping the same, ZT,

You literally said: No, it won't. As I explained in my last post that I don't think you actually read. If you ran a commercial studio with all Mac based software, what incentive do you have to adopt a newcomer to the ecosystem? Not a real lot unless there's a sustained marketing push to convince you that you need to do it. There is NO WAY this could happen overnight, not in any reality. Anyone who has done any kind of work in marketing knows this. I run a record label and a good 80% of the returns we get is purely from the effort we put into marketing, and knowing that you need to play the long game if you're competing with an existing industry that has a lot of money to burn. Our last couple of releases have literally hit #1 on the charts here, so we must have a bit of an idea. Plus, as I said, if all of the new bright shining stars are all buying Macs, and it already has an upgrade path to Logic, why get anything else? There's a reason Microsoft faced a bunch of antitrust drama for bundling in Internet Explorer by default - there were better browsers, but that was literally right there in front of people - why look elsewhere? But ultimately, all of the foot stamping and flag waving about a Mac version is entirely moot. There isn't one, there likely won't be one. Refer to the good ideas in the OP.

Agree with all. Far too expensive for limited use. At £29.99 yes, maybe even £49.99 - but £199 + VAT no thanks. I have everything GForce have done and really like their stuff. I don't think there is a piece that I've done recently that doesn't have the M-Tron Pro (recently = five years for me) on it somewhere.

I'm missing nothing. I was responding to the "what teenager runs Windows" statement you made, which is absolutely not true, especially in this part of the world. Having a Mac version would be great, but realistically it isn't going to happen, no matter how much anyone may want it to. The Bakers have pretty much said as much. There was a reason the SONAR Mac alpha never continued to be developed. Think about it for a minute: You divert development on your very Windows-centric app to create a Mac version. The software is very much tied to Windows so it would need a substantial re-write, which takes time and the resources of your small dev team away from the Windows version. You're aiming to go up against established Mac-based software, and software that not only is promoted by Apple but is even bundled with its OS in some cases. By the time you have something out, what do you think will happen? People will suddenly go "hey, how great is Cakewalk? Let's stop using Logic!" right? Nope, it'll need a huge PR push to get this all relaunched, which will take years to get the same foothold that the other Mac based software already has - nobody is going to stop using stuff they're comfortable with. You're not going to replace ProTools because of how ingrained it is in the big studio world. You're not going to win over a bunch of kids with Ableton because it's drummed into their heads that this is what they need to use to make beats. N00bs have Garage Band right in the box with a clear upgrade path to Logic. All of this will take time to seep into an ecosystem where Cakewalk has never been before. In the meantime, PC development stagnates, existing users get frustrated that "X" DAW has all of this stuff that Cakewalk doesn't because the resources were diverted to make a Mac version, while the world moves on without them. It makes zero sense from a logistics point of view. Would a Mac version be great? Absolutely. Is it realistic for it to happen? Not at all. So going back to the OP, now that the Mac version is ruled out, a proper media presence for the PC version is the only avenue that can be exploited. None of us know Bandlab's ultimate plans for Cakewalk. As I said, they're not hurting for money at all, and there's a lot of Cakewalk IP that hasn't been monetised yet which would be rudimentary to have a web store set up to cater for those kind of things and get an income from it, but it hasn't happened yet for whatever reason. The only thing we're currently sure is the development is very active and stability is high on the agenda, which is really the most important thing for their userbase ultimately.

I don't see any attraction onthis one , and i'm a mellotron aficionado ..... the dual layer thing on the pro I is the real deal , the sound source are plenty , and the sound design capabilities superior , this rythm thing i love , but should have been a plus in the pro , not a dedicated plugin ....usefull to jam or maybe live but that's all is see there .... laynch gas off from start here ....good thing ..

I actually don't know any teenager that owns a Mac, to be honest. It's not quite the ***** measurement appliance down here that it is in some other parts of the world.

Lewking gewd. Already have Audiofier’s Veevum and Riffendium bundles. Both good.

The sale will last until January 29th and you can get it using the code 012250BUNDLEP Using the discount code in this email you'll be able to get every bundle with a 50% discount. Our bundles already allow you to have our plugins 40% off so with this sale we are offering you a 40%+50% double discount! https://www.hornetplugins.com/plugins/category/bundles/

Edith will be jealous

Stop trying to copy me.

I also think it is because every commercial studios out there own Mac systems leaving Cakewalk that are on the same level and standards as The top 7 Absolute. FL Studio Logic Pro Pro Tools Ableton Cubase Reaper Studio One All of these DAWS have a fully function version for Macintosh and Windows systems except for one of course. It's for this reason I had changed to Mac too. My Cakewalk system is now my personal computer in the main house in the study room. I often sit infront of it when I do beats for myself. So, I think it's for this reason that Cakewalk went dead - Macs are the standard system in Studios and Cakewalk doesn't have one. Sonar tried, but it was a fail. I guess they didn't have enough resources to keep working and perfecting it - dont know. Then of course, there's the youth. What teenager these days own a windows system? I'm going to my mid 30's and was forced the past two years throughout the pandemic to invest in a MACINTOSH business wise, because of the demands from clients sending and requesting Mac files and I can say with confidence, I'm not disappointed. Cakewalk will pickup overnight when there's a Mac version available to promote at NAMM should they decide to create a Mac version the next 12 months. This of course will not happen. I'm willing to create one quality short Video for their IG page weekly.

Yep the next feature is unchecking developers in the filtering. We will also have an email alert for when a product hits a certain price too eventually (phase 3)

I'm going to go out on a limb here and say no.. Waves are indeed NOT listening 🤣 But I'm sort of glad.. it makes me not listen to the Waves sales, or anything they sell in general, so I save money 😎

🤣 Kenny

We've released an update to all our plugins with bug fixes and optimisations. Click the images below to download the latest installer. Release notes per plugin here https://masteringthemix.zendesk.com/hc/en-gb/sections/360003181597-Release-Notes Windows Installer https://masteringthemix.us9.list-manage.com/track/click?u=c53f967373f0d2ca45fc19000&id=f775d8be59&e=47fb32d8f9 Mac Installer https://masteringthemix.us9.list-manage.com/track/click?u=c53f967373f0d2ca45fc19000&id=22a283392a&e=47fb32d8f9

Better question - what were you aiming at?

If Softube doesn’t add the plug-in to your account, maybe your account details weren’t complete. My weren’t. When so completed them, all went as planned.

Or individual installer.. that's what I'm doing One word of caution though, I bought their Juno synth and installed manually because I too hate having to install on my system a "central" and "manager" for every developer out there, but it wouldn't work anyway without updating Pace License Manager to a newer version. That makes me a bit mad cause such practices are begging for troubles for some users, especially those staying on older systems. It was the only one plugin in my life that asked for a new Pace License Manager or no go, and my system isn't that old. Annoying... but man that Juno sounds sooo rewarding

.

I'm here because

I have a similar site going up soon in a different format. Will update when it's closer to completion.

Really 330 euros, they have lost their minds. For that price I buy the Keyscape.

Wondering whether they'll ever add a release changes.

At last, a bacon-flavored VU meter.

see this: Syphus

I'm in favor of exposing as many commands as possible to keystroke bindings.

Supernova? Actually it's just... Another Star - Stevie Wonder

A nice laid back and relaxing track - good job Enjoyed it Nigel