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This zombie thread from 2019 is all very FASCINATING as the latest 2022 CbB manual says this on page 1405: Cakewalk includes a wide variety of StudioWare panels for popular MIDI devices, with new panels constantly under development here at Cakewalk, by equipment manufacturers, and by Cakewalk users. It lists 19 panels. I have 34 installed all dated 12/30/2011. They open in Sonar 8.3 but nothing happens in X1, 2 , 3, SPlat & CbB/Sonar. What's the trick to open them? [I zombied this thread because it seemed the most appropriate one for this post.]

It seems that way. Some of my v1 plugins haven't been updated since 2019.

I DO NOT have any rights to this composition. Back in 2019 when I was teaching Composition, Editing, and Engineering to an online Zoom channel, I made up this little example as an ear training tool for my students. The piece has three turnarounds of the phrase, one is done live on my 1974 Alvarez 5063, and the other two are done with the Indiginus Renegade and NI Picked Acoustic (melody). I tried very hard to get the Vi's to sound 'real'... and it was tricky.

I got notified on the forum 2 or 3 years ago. However, before that no one from Cakewalk ever sent me an e-mail that SONAR was going out of business back in 2017, and no one from Bandlab ever sent me an e-mail in 2018 that they had resurrected the software. It wasn't until after I had wasted money on another company's useless software (2019) that someone I knew online mentioned that Cakewalk was now being offered by Bandlab. I could have save $150 and a whole lot of time trying to get the other DAW to work. Sorry, no pity from me that users of Cakewalk by Bandlab didn't know that Bandlab Assistant stopped being used for CbB years ago.

Thanks Wookiee. Not sure what the offending word was! Anyway, no worries 🙂 Grem, the varnish on that neck really is thick. It's a 2019 Mexican Vintera Strat. I've done a few rosewood necks before and they're a piece of cake. This was my first attempt at maple. Why they varnish over the frets, I don't know. A production cost saver? I can't think of any other reason. I did indeed use a pointed-tip scalpel to cut between the fretboard and the fret, hence the scratches! I also used a soldering iron to warm up the frets. Today I found an alternative YT vid to the one I followed where the presenter used a round-tip scalpel and no iron. I think I'll try that next time - next time being the serious one, my dear old 86 Tele. Gulp..

Being unsupported must be a relatively new thing, as it worked for many years in Cakewalk. TTS-1 isn't good because I used a lot of different variations of the SoundCanvas instruments and voices. I may need to try exporting them all to another DAW where SC does work. 😕 Great suggestion but it didn't work. I love Cakewalk but this might be the end. SoundCanvas works in another DAW that I occasionally use, and I guess it will be more than occasionally now. 😢 EDIT: After making you read all that, I solved the problem by reinstalling an older version from 2019 that I had on a backup drive. Works perfectly now.

I can't think that they don't. Their money isn't tied up in a lot of admin costs. I don't think they do NAMM booths. They probably don't have an extremely large staff. Think of the users who use it casually will always buy another upgrade.

They have released a new version every 4 years, so one license covers up to 8 years of updates. v7.0 - October 16, 2023 v6.0 - December 3, 2019 v5.0 - August 12, 2015 v4.0 - August 3, 2011

It's WAY longer than 2 years. I had a v4-v5 license that I needed to replace when v6 was released. I bought my v6-v7 license in early December, 2019, over 4 years ago! And v7 is just getting going. I just hope they make enough money to stay in business. I'd be more than happy to pay that $60 every 2 years. That's about how often Studio One gets a major version update. I can't find a receipt, but I think I pay 2-3 times that to PreSonus every couple of years.

You tacked this on to a thread from 2019. Much has happened since 2019, especially in the past several months that affected TTS-1's inclusion in the current build of CbB (Cakewalk by Bandlab). See the following thread. If you have an older version of CbB, perhaps you can find TTS-1. Not sure if you only have a version after which TTS-1 was dropped. In either case, the 2024 thread would be a better place to ask for help than a 2019 thread.

You tacked this on to a thread from 2019. Much has happened since 2019, especially in the past several months that affected TTS-1's inclusion in the current build of CbB (Cakewalk by Bandlab). See the following thread. If you have an older version of CbB, perhaps you can find TTS-1. Not sure if you only have a version after which TTS-1 was dropped. In either case, the 2024 thread would be a better place to ask for help than a 2019 thread.

Hi is the link to the download the one at the beginning of this thread as that says posted in 2019?

I don’t know about Synthesizer V, but if it requires ARA 2, SONAR Platinum won’t work. SONAR Platinum only supports ARA, not ARA 2. I think ARA 2 support was introduced in CbB 2019.5.

I'm not as well-versed in this issue, as I only have a couple of outboard processors, so not in danger of running out of sends. But I've seen the plaintive cries over the years and sympathize with having "if they'd only fix this ONE DAMN FEATURE it would be the greatest thing ever" going around in my head. To the extent that the devs have replied, I think they mentioned that mucking about in that area would be opening a can of dusty spaghetti, and they'd likely also want to do it better this time. The current method seemed kind of kluge-y when I tried it. When I've done it in the hardware world, that kind of thing is well-integrated into the mixer itself, not as an add=om. From what I've seen, the devs really have their hands full trying to get the initial release of Sonar ready with the vector UI being the big new feature The silver lining with Sonar going payware is that the development will naturally shift in the direction of features. "Now with!" being a favorite marketing phrase. That could be "now with completely overhauled and expanded support for external rackmount signal processors!" Gotta have the word "rackmount" in there.😄 Payware license-driven software development can hit the pitfall of adding a new feature, then letting it dangle in the wind when the development team is then put on the task of working on the next big set of features before things are fully right with the new feature, and from what I've seen, SONAR, with its various changes in management, may have suffered from that one. At least for the nasty crashy bugs, the current team have been ferociously active about setting that right. There are older features that could get some love, like Matrix view and the Arpeggiator. My understanding is that those were grafted on from Project 5. The Matrix isn't as well-integrated as it could be (right click on clip, Send To Matrix cell, eh?), and there's no way to create and edit arpeggiator patterns. They're both features with more potential, especially for current music styles. The boom in use of external processors is not a thing to discount. People shell out a LOT of money for those little mono 500 rack gadgets. I hope that BandLab goes back to the NAMM Show someday, last time I was there it seemed like half of Hall D was taken up by people peddling 500 rack stuff. I know from personal experience with my boutique pedal company that musicians LOVE using stuff that not everyone can find/afford/figure out how to use. It's a segment of the market that doesn't mind opening their wallets. There's no reason not to treat them with the same importance that compatibility with software processors gets.

Yep, almost. July, 2019…

Well the installers in the humble bundle are the kind that are small and then go grab the actually install info from servers from what I recall. I haven't run into issues yet with them (started buying ~2019) but who knows if they will eventually break the process even with your "off-line" installer that isn't really off-line. I personally would not be at all worried about a future build (assuming you do it in a year or so), but if you are thinking 10 years down the road, might be a pause for thought.

Same. I know I do have the Google one because I see it in my apps but I don't think I ever had to use it after the initial setup. That may have been fro my previous job, where they used the Google suite. I also have the Microsoft one because it's mandatory at work and also because someone managed to steal my hotmail credentials in 2019. I remember the first time I looked at the log of failed login attempts. I was a little shocked, although I really shouldn't have been. I still see 20-some attempts on any given day. If tapping on a number to confirm my identity on my cell phone can make things a little safer, I don't mind.

I knew their "Wham! Bam! Thank you NAMM!" newsletter implied upcoming expenses!

The groundhog smelled spring but not a lick of these folks. Loose lips sink ships, but after missing the holiday season and NAMM from a June announce, and dropping a prompt to go online and see that there's nothing to see about the new SONAR, I feel they should speak now or risk losing me and others to other DAWs where there is a healthy exchange between users and devs. Kinda like it used to be here...

If you are running an older version and like the app it is worth considering the Pro upgrade. The VST plugin (I think this was added in 2019?) is an interesting feature that let's you generate tracks from inside a DAW with less hassle of using BIAB stand-alone. I picked BIAB up in 2020 but didn't really take to it; however, it definitely has a lot of merit, especially to someone new. It actually has a lot of features you wouldn't even think about until you come across them (like recording your own chords to use in song templates and such). @Notes_Norton has done a lot in that area, so he could speak to that far better. Even the music games it has would be very beneficial to a aspiring musician.

In 2019 got the fastest processor then, the 3900X. It worked great, then later Cakewalk started messing up. For months I started changing everything else, upgraded to a 5950X. Same problems. Everything I tried worked for a day. The last couple of months, while playing back a song, it didn't matter if I had a recording of mixed Audio and Midi of 4 tracks or +20. The CPU threads would start spiking at 4:04 minutes of playback, slow down for a few seconds, making noise, or just stopping no matter where you started playback on a song. Every time I tried something new, remove a virus program, it worked for a day or two then act up again. Normally my CPU with maximum channels with 3-4 effects, audio and or Midi, the CPU use was at 3-11%, and 128GB of RAM memory at only 16% usage. Hard drives are a mixture of SSD and NMVe, showing no or little visual activity. A few days ago. I finally ran a latency audio tester. The final results were that my computer had no problems and could practically run anything. I then ran Cakewalk with it running and when it crapped out, it said the error was due to something not turning off fast enough. I could see the spikes in the CPU threads. It recommended, that update my motherboard Bios. There have been 8 updates since I last did one. I updated the Bios, and I noticed right away on Cakewalk the thread pattern of the CPU looked different. At the +4-minute mark when the Audio engine dropped out, it was the first time I had no CPU thread spiking. I use an MOTU 24AO as my audio interface. I went to their website to see if they had new hardware and software updates for Win 10, and they did not. But they had a new page telling you to remove Windows Cortana. I always had mine disabled, and Windows plans to get rid of it. I always disabled most background programs, and the modem which didn't help. I followed the steps to remove Cortana. Then I went to the Presonus (I have 4 DAW programs) knowledge base, it has a page to optimize the computer for audio. It had me disable, one protection protocol I had on. Before when I would reach that 4:04 mark, when playing back If it did not crash or slow down. I could still see the CPU thread indicators starting to increase double or triple, and after a while go back down to normal. After getting rid of Cortana, and doing what Personus recommenced, I feel like one or both of these two things, solved my problem. Why? Because now when I get to the 4 minute mark, my CPU thread activity, remains the same. Today will be day 3 since I made the changes. Keeping fingers crossed.

Ha! So it sounds like you're an IP attorney. Is that right? Not challenging your knowledge, this copy from an IP attorney firm does a better job of making the point IP lawyers have always explained to me: "A federal trademark registration means that you carry the legal presumption of ownership of the mark and possess the right to use it " That is, it is not the USPTO guaranteeing that you're the rightful owner to that trademark, it just gives a date when a claim was made and live, conflicting trademarks were not found in the database at that time. My understanding, and I do recall having dealt with another company claiming common law rights to a registered trademark a company I was with used. To make this a bit more relevant to this, if a USPTO trademark search finds no live claims on a trademarked name (not a logo), but someone registers it but doesn't use it in commerce, their trademark claim doesn't necessarily trump a company that was using it unregistered in commerce for 30 years during the period of registration. For example, Gibson let the Wurly trademark lapse, but a small opportunistic developer registered it for use by his business. If Gibson still has been marketing a product using the Wurly name, my understanding is that the small developer with the federally registered trademark still may likely not have a case for infringement against them. Is that correct or incorrect? So the withdrawals to opposition from GIbson you referred to in 2019, does that pertain to using the Wurlitzer trademark for musical instruments? And is the owner of that trademark the same party that has the website referenced in my original post?

The Registration Certificate sitting at the other end of the first link in my first post is a government-issued *TRADEMARK*, full-stop, not just a self-asserted right to one. The German company is the rightful holder of that mark. This was a "Section 66(a)" application, which means that the registrant had already obtained an "international registration" via the International Bureau of the World Intellectual Property Organization ("WIPO") in Geneva. Gibson's counsel filed the withdrawals of opposition that I referred (and linked) to, above, in 2019.

The Wurly (original trademark spelling) AKA the Wurli AKA the Wurlitzer electric piano is coming back to life in 2024 according to Music Radar. I am surprised that Music Radar's writer couldn't find out if Gibson still owns Wurlitzer or not, especially if they found this news out at NAMM. In any event, it's pretty exciting news to find your favorite electric piano is soon going back into production. EDIT: If you read my later posts, you'll find that I'm longer confident that the party behind this Wurlitzer website is legitimate. https://www.musicradar.com/news/new-wurlitzer-electric-piano?utm_content=keyboard&utm_medium=social&utm_source=facebook.com&utm_campaign=socialflow&fbclid=IwAR06lTzR7GJExVBLHWY9KTLYd76JSeiZPxI-cAKVUapIP6pS4PnrMc4GYlY