MusicMan Posted March 30, 2023 Share Posted March 30, 2023 2 hours ago, SmokeyJ628 said: Can we have a separate Waves forum for all thre threads? 🤪 I'd happily support a Waves ban so they get no free advertising here at all 🙂 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
balinas Posted March 30, 2023 Share Posted March 30, 2023 4 minutes ago, MusicMan said: I'd happily support a Waves ban so they get no free advertising here at all 🙂 Maybe their code name should be "Flats" instead of Waves in honor of their recent business acumen? 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lawajava Posted March 31, 2023 Share Posted March 31, 2023 6 hours ago, Bapu said: When I decided to add another year of WUP before the 26th I checked Waves price. I'm 99.99% sure it said $250. All my stuff was already WUP'd thru 25 Jan 2024. Proud to say I never foolishly bought Waves duplicates. Can't say that about PA though. 🙂 I went to two resellers (while I still could) and got a price of $225 and $223. I took the $223 price. $240 was the max if not adding stuff still under a WUP. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bapu Posted March 31, 2023 Author Share Posted March 31, 2023 2 hours ago, lawajava said: $240 was the max if not adding stuff still under a WUP. So are you implying that if I indeed did see $250 I was being quoted $10 more than the cap because I was already under WUP for everything I owned? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bapu Posted March 31, 2023 Author Share Posted March 31, 2023 (edited) I must admit I thought I saw $250, but as of today being under WUP until 25 Jan 2025; my price to add one more year of WUP for all I own (Abbey Road, Mecury+Studio Classics, Infected Mushroom, Inspire, CR8 and NX) is $240. Maybe $25 was the old way if under WUP and $240 is the new max even if you are under WUP. I dunno. Edited March 31, 2023 by Bapu Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
simon Posted March 31, 2023 Share Posted March 31, 2023 1 hour ago, Bapu said: I must admit I thought I saw $250, but as of today being under WUP until 25 Jan 2025; my price to add one more year of WUP for all I own (Abbey Road, Mecury+Studio Classics, Infected Mushroom, Inspire, CR8 and NX) is $240. Maybe $25 was the old way if under WUP and $240 is the new max even if you are under WUP. I dunno. probably not worth worrying about the extra $10 but yes - you either wupped something that was already wupped or you added multiple versions of the same plugin. It's definitely capped at $240 if you follow the waves 'rules' and always was - but they make as difficult as possible so they can get more money from you. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eusebio Rufian-Zilbermann Posted April 2, 2023 Share Posted April 2, 2023 On 3/30/2023 at 3:22 PM, Brian Walton said: OR....you can simply never WUP as it is a scam no matter how you look at it. There are 7 plugins that have been added to my bundles and I don't have yet, it's getting close to the point where the $240 will be worth it for me just for the new plugins I'll be getting. It's not that different from e.g., Arturia charging for an upgrade to V collection. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
simon Posted April 2, 2023 Share Posted April 2, 2023 1 hour ago, Eusebio Rufian-Zilbermann said: There are 7 plugins that have been added to my bundles and I don't have yet, it's getting close to the point where the $240 will be worth it for me just for the new plugins I'll be getting. It's not that different from e.g., Arturia charging for an upgrade to V collection. I shan't comment here on the Arturia comparison apart from to say it's apples/oranges (ie totally different ) Personally, I'd suggest you wait a little while before you WUP until the perpetual licences go back on sale. It's often much cheaper to upgrade your bundle to the next one up, you should get your 7 plugins, plus extra ones from the 'enhanced' bundle - plus you get WUP on that bundle for the year. Win - Win Even cheaper if you get from a 3rd party such as everyplugin - but who knows if they'll reinstate all that and obviously we don't know how the upgrade pricing is going to look until Waves get it all back online. it's possible to make WUP work for you if you're careful (of course it's just my 2p ) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian Walton Posted April 2, 2023 Share Posted April 2, 2023 4 hours ago, Eusebio Rufian-Zilbermann said: There are 7 plugins that have been added to my bundles and I don't have yet, it's getting close to the point where the $240 will be worth it for me just for the new plugins I'll be getting. It's not that different from e.g., Arturia charging for an upgrade to V collection. $34 per plugin is more than retail and this assumes each and every plugin added is one you would have bought. I personally just don't see it as a value proposition. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
simon Posted April 2, 2023 Share Posted April 2, 2023 (edited) FWIW looks like Waves have made perpetual licenses available on their website $29.99 etc (still looks a little broken however!) Edited April 2, 2023 by simon Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John1984 Posted April 2, 2023 Share Posted April 2, 2023 6 hours ago, simon said: it's possible to make WUP work for you if you're careful (of course it's just my 2p ) This was certainly true before this mess and I hope it remains true. As others have mentioned, oftentimes buying a new plugin (or set of plugins) made more sense than WUP. In my most recent case, WUP for my Horizons bundle was $187. But in my upgrades offers, I had an opportunity to upgrade to add the Restoration bundle to my primary bundle for only $86. So I essentially got the WUP for a $101 discount and the Restoration bundle for free. All of these weird upgrade paths have unintended consequences (a lot like the current Cinesamples frenzy.) 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PavlovsCat Posted April 2, 2023 Share Posted April 2, 2023 (edited) Especially when sales prices for similar plugins from Plugin Alliance, Softube, Eventide, Sonnible, SSL, AudioThings, XLN Audio, Wavesfactory and other very fine developers are either similar or not much higher than Waves sale prices, I don't find Waves very tempting. Frankly, after Waves recent move to going subscription-only overnight, they're just not a developer that I would put in my consideration set unless they have something that is absolutely unique. I'd rather reward developers that have shown to be ethical and customer loyal. I have zero trust in Waves and I think it would be unwise for anyone to trust that company. (As always, this is just one person's opinion. We should be able to disagree and still be civil. I just wanted to express that I don't have a good deal of trust or respect for the way Waves runs its business. Of course, a bunch of influencers are likely to soon be shilling for them, defending their actions. I'm merely a regular customer and observer of their practices and I don't find them in the realm of what I'd call customer-centric practices.) Edited April 3, 2023 by PavlovsCat 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PavlovsCat Posted April 2, 2023 Share Posted April 2, 2023 Even with what I wrote above, there is one Waves plugin that I was interested in -- Waves Harmony. I would love to hear from anyone who owns it and what they think and what they find are alternatives worth checking into. For $29 USD, even with my feelings about Waves -- it is very tempting to pick it up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mibby Posted April 2, 2023 Share Posted April 2, 2023 (edited) 42 minutes ago, PavlovsCat said: Even with what I wrote above, there is one Waves plugin that I was interested in -- Waves Harmony. I would love to hear from anyone who owns it and what they think and what they find are alternatives worth checking into. For $29 USD, even with my feelings about Waves -- it is very tempting to pick it up. I haven't used it Peter but there are a few of them out there. The first two that come to mind are Izotope's Nectar3 harmony Module and Melda's MHarmonizer. I'm sure you could do the same with Melodyne too, but I have tried. --- edit --- Also Eventide's Octa/Quadra Vox plugins... Edited April 2, 2023 by mibby 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian Walton Posted April 2, 2023 Share Posted April 2, 2023 1 hour ago, mibby said: I haven't used it Peter but there are a few of them out there. The first two that come to mind are Izotope's Nectar3 harmony Module and Melda's MHarmonizer. I'm sure you could do the same with Melodyne too, but I have tried. --- edit --- Also Eventide's Octa/Quadra Vox plugins... They gave the eventide away for free a while back too, so someone might have it and not even realize it. If they allow transfers via ilok that also might open the door for someone willing to part with it for a nice discount below retail. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PavlovsCat Posted April 2, 2023 Share Posted April 2, 2023 (edited) 1 hour ago, mibby said: I haven't used it Peter but there are a few of them out there. The first two that come to mind are Izotope's Nectar3 harmony Module and Melda's MHarmonizer. I'm sure you could do the same with Melodyne too, but I have tried. --- edit --- Also Eventide's Octa/Quadra Vox plugins... I have all of those but MHarmonizer. I just thought the Waves one appeared to offer something slightly different. I never got anything usable out of the Eventide one. I'd be willing to trade that one for something I would actually use if anyone wants it. Edited April 2, 2023 by PavlovsCat Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Technostica Posted April 2, 2023 Share Posted April 2, 2023 1 hour ago, Brian Walton said: They gave the eventide away for free a while back too, so someone might have it and not even realize it. If they allow transfers via ilok that also might open the door for someone willing to part with it for a nice discount below retail. The free stuff I have from them are all NFR; I have Quadravox and the full H9 Bundle. If you look in the ilok app it will confirm the status. I enjoyed Quadravox when I installed it and plan to use it more. I also have MHarmonizerMB as part of a bundle and don't recall ever using it. That's the problem I find when buying large bundles; there are 36 plugins in MCreativeFXBundle. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yan Filiatrault Posted April 3, 2023 Share Posted April 3, 2023 5 hours ago, PavlovsCat said: Even with what I wrote above, there is one Waves plugin that I was interested in -- Waves Harmony. I would love to hear from anyone who owns it and what they think and what they find are alternatives worth checking into. For $29 USD, even with my feelings about Waves -- it is very tempting to pick it up. They way they are running their business, Waves and Harmony doesn’t sound natural in the same sentence. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RSMcGuitar Posted April 3, 2023 Share Posted April 3, 2023 On 3/30/2023 at 3:22 PM, Brian Walton said: OR....you can simply never WUP as it is a scam no matter how you look at it. Pretty sure they haven't added a single thing to Horizon since I've owned it, other than maybe freebies. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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