Colin Nicholls Posted February 17 Share Posted February 17 7 hours ago, satya said: cakewalk is not gonna be free anymore☹️ Neither is Reaper; never has been. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magic Russ Posted February 17 Share Posted February 17 Seven years of not having to pay for updates is quite the bargain. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CSistine Posted February 17 Share Posted February 17 2 hours ago, El Diablo said: Don't forget, it's $225 if you plan to use Reaper to sell whatever it outputs. This is not true! You may purchase the discounted license $60, if (from the Reaper page): You are an individual, and REAPER is only for your personal use, or You are an individual or business using REAPER commercially, and yearly gross revenue does not exceed USD $20,000, or You are an educational or non-profit organization. In addition to that I have to mention that Either the $60 or $225 are valid for many releases/updates (years) You can install a portable version that is very safe for any purpose, because there is no need for internet connection/servers! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Starship Krupa Posted February 17 Share Posted February 17 36 minutes ago, 53mph said: This got me thinking....has CbB been putting hidden coding into mixdowns to make them copyright traceable? This might explain why FUGA auto-detected copyright content in my music when uploading to YouTube. I'm sure that you're trying hard to figure out why on earth you'd face this kind of crap when posting your own original music to YouTube, but how exactly would such a scheme work? You said that your video was flagged while you were trying to upload it. Does that mean that you uploaded it and were immediately notified that it matched music for which FUGA controls the copyright? Or were you notified somewhat later? The first would suggest that the infringement-catcher detected tags while the second would suggest "softer" algorithmic detection. According to the New York Times article, the Bad Dog song files were scraped from Soundcloud with metadata intact and that metadata got added to whatever giant database these companies (Disc Makers, YouTube) use to spot infringements. Presumably when the perps sent the songs to the streaming services, the services put the tags in the database. If your songs got flagged that quickly, it could mean that their metadata had already been put in that database. The thieves' motivation for doing this kind of thing is to get raw material for cheating Spotify and the other streamers. They send a song with a fake artist and title to Spotify, then get bots to request the song over and over thousands of times, then collect the playback royalties from Spotify. The songs that they send have to be undetectable as fake copies, so they can't use stuff from popular artists, or test tones, or noise, as that would get flagged by content matching detection. The music has to sound like music and be unique enough to get past the detection systems. It can't pattern match with music that Spotify is already playing, and it has to have enough material in it to look and sound roughly like music. It seems to me like like adding some kind of digital fingerprint would make it more difficult to get away with the scam, if anything. It was the extra tagging data in the music files that made the band in the NYT article aware that they had been scammed. In the event of legal action, the presence of such a thing would be something that investigators could potentially find and use as evidence of wrongdoing. All it would take is for a clever person to make 10 mixdowns and run the resulting files through a pattern recognizer. Any common pattern that wasn't part of a known audio file type container or meta tag would be suspect. As always comes to my mind when evil!BandLab theories pop up, doing something like that seems like spending a LOT of trouble and money to fool Spotify for only as long as it takes for users of your DAW's and the authorities to figure it out. After which they'd be facing multiple class action suits and nobody would touch anything with the company's name on it until the end of time (instantly tanking their stock price and rendering most of their IP assets worthless). Remember, the actual target of the scam isn't people who do music, it's Spotify and every other streaming service, and I suspect that if they caught a company the size of BandLab aiding and abetting this kind of fraud, they'd devote some resources to going after them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
antler Posted February 17 Share Posted February 17 2 hours ago, 53mph said: This got me thinking....has CbB been putting hidden coding into mixdowns to make them copyright traceable? I doubt it, but you could try an experiment: play your song and record it in real-time through a loopback interface, and try uploading that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paulo Posted February 17 Share Posted February 17 3 hours ago, Magic Russ said: Seven years of not having to pay for updates is quite the bargain. Unless you are one of those who paid for them and must also now accept that your lifetime is over. 😈 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bapu Posted February 18 Share Posted February 18 10 hours ago, El Diablo said: This new Cakewalk BETTER have CLAP support! Are you suggesting penicillin shots? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bapu Posted February 18 Share Posted February 18 10 hours ago, DeeringAmps said: Really? Sonar 8.5 was released when? t In the Stone Age. Keef was just a lad of 103 then. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pragi Posted February 18 Share Posted February 18 (edited) 20 hours ago, satya said: cakewalk is not gonna be free anymore☹️ OK, let's talk about all the other payware DAWs like Pro Tools and Cubase. Logic too, but wait, is this a Cakewalk forum, or not? Edited February 18 by Pragi 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pragi Posted February 18 Share Posted February 18 9 hours ago, paulo said: Unless you are one of those who paid for them and must also now accept that your lifetime is over. 😈 Hopefully not for our lifetime, but for the lifetime of Sonar X-3 and CbB. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paulo Posted February 18 Share Posted February 18 3 hours ago, Pragi said: Hopefully not for our lifetime, but for the lifetime of Sonar X-3 and CbB. Just in case, if you see someone carrying a violin case with a bandlab logo on it, get out of there asap. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeeringAmps Posted February 18 Share Posted February 18 13 hours ago, paulo said: one of those who paid for them We ALL paid Henry! Any complaint you have is with Henry! BandLab owes you nothing, NOT A GAWD DAM THING! GET OVER IT! Install the new update, evidently it takes care of the annoying “pop up”, and soldier on. IF you are not a CbB user then stay the *F* out of the threads about CbB! t 2 1 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
satya Posted February 18 Share Posted February 18 Well I m in if Sonar creating a marketplace like reason rack to be used like in ProChannel . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CSistine Posted February 18 Share Posted February 18 8 hours ago, DeeringAmps said: We ALL paid Henry! Any complaint you have is with Henry! BandLab owes you nothing, NOT A GAWD DAM THING! GET OVER IT! Install the new update, evidently it takes care of the annoying “pop up”, and soldier on. IF you are not a CbB user then stay the *F* out of the threads about CbB! t Do you really think this is righteous? Because they just did some sort of hedge lawyer thing to skip the liabilities? IMHO they have bought Cakewalk, by all means what was the value of the company! What else had Cakewalk been? But you are correct regarding the law it looks all different, it is totally legal what they do. Our fine constitutional states, democracies support this best behavior. They concentrate more to give a hard time to John Doe! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hillmy Posted February 18 Share Posted February 18 It is only recently that I figured out what "The bakers" meant! Can't have a cake without someone to bake it. 😆 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeeringAmps Posted February 18 Share Posted February 18 4 minutes ago, Hillmy said: Can't have a cake without someone to bake it. You are Correct sir! t Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bapu Posted February 18 Share Posted February 18 10 hours ago, DeeringAmps said: We ALL paid Henry! Any complaint you have is with Henry! BandLab owes you nothing, NOT A GAWD DAM THING! GET OVER IT! Install the new update, evidently it takes care of the annoying “pop up”, and soldier on. IF you are not a CbB user then stay the *F* out of the threads about CbB! t 1 hour ago, Sistine said: Do you really think this is righteous? Because they just did some sort of hedge lawyer thing to skip the liabilities? IMHO they have bought Cakewalk, by all means what was the value of the company! What else had Cakewalk been? But you are correct regarding the law it looks all different, it is totally legal what they do. Our fine constitutional states, democracies support this best behavior. They concentrate more to give a hard time to John Doe! IBTL 😋 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeeringAmps Posted February 19 Share Posted February 19 @Bapu won’t let me quote IBTL, but that’s why I didn’t respond… t 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheSteven Posted February 19 Share Posted February 19 (edited) 4 hours ago, Sistine said: Do you really think this is righteous? Because they just did some sort of hedge lawyer thing to skip the liabilities? This has been discussed/agued/b1tched about so many times over the years that it's now as relevant as arguing whether 33 or 45 RPM records have better fidelity. But... this isn't a Bandlab's issue it's a Gibson issue - please log all complaints regarding lifetime licensing on one of their forums. BTW no offense intended but it does get tiring hearing/reading the same complaints over & over. I too like many others got caught in this lifetime license scam and feel that legally Gibson should have been slapped for doing it. Edited February 19 by TheSteven 7 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pragi Posted February 19 Share Posted February 19 ⁹ 11 hours ago, satya said: Well I m in if Sonar creating a marketplace like reason rack to be used like in ProChannel . And I'm in when Sonar is ready to serve breakfast. 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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