simon Posted September 30, 2023 Share Posted September 30, 2023 2 hours ago, locrian said: I looked in both %APPDATA\Local and %APPDATA\Roaming it's %APPDATA% (percentage signs before and after - just cut and paste that into an explorer window) - which takes you to \appdata\roaming the .ddl (!) file is in the root of that directory - might be set to hidden by default ? msregsvv.dll Part of the IKM authorisation system clumsily masquerading as a MS ddl. There are others too, spread around your PC. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
locrian Posted September 30, 2023 Share Posted September 30, 2023 48 minutes ago, simon said: it's %APPDATA% (percentage signs before and after - just cut and paste that into an explorer window) - which takes you to \appdata\roaming the .ddl (!) file is in the root of that directory - might be set to hidden by default ? msregsvv.dll Part of the IKM authorisation system clumsily masquerading as a MS ddl. There are others too, spread around your PC. Okay, I see it now. Thanks for the insight. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mister_tea Posted September 30, 2023 Share Posted September 30, 2023 (edited) wow there were threads here 10 years ago on these files, as well as unanswered on the IK forum (https://cgi.ikmultimedia.com/ikforum/viewtopic.php?t=30901) IMO it's not great for programs to install files outside their directories unless absolutely needed, especially to system paths, and not great to leave files after uninstallation, but is it true that 1) it's not actually a DLL or executable, and 2) it's just named that way and placed outside of their product folder, possibly so users think it's an official OS file and leave it alone? if so, it's not ideal but I'd have followup questions if Windows does have a "real" msregsvv.dll Edited September 30, 2023 by mister_tea revised questions to be clearer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mister_tea Posted September 30, 2023 Share Posted September 30, 2023 (edited) another +1 to signing code. It's the right thing to do for users. And if the bean-counters say that's not worth the cost of EV certs (like Simon mentions, $hundreds, approximately three Pianoverse pianos), it will save the company the cost of support calls for "are you sure you want to run this downloaded thing?" dialogs you get for unsigned installers, and some SmartScreen false positives. Edited September 30, 2023 by mister_tea Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heath Row Posted October 1, 2023 Share Posted October 1, 2023 11 hours ago, Promidi said: IKM Product manager 1.0.8 Is fine here, with latest Malwarebytes Premium and latest defs. ditto 👍 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chris.r Posted October 1, 2023 Share Posted October 1, 2023 2 hours ago, mister_tea said: it's not ideal but I'd have followup questions if Windows does have a "real" msregsvv.dll probably something more like "msregsvr.dll" see the visual similarity 6 hours ago, TheSteven said: 12 hours ago, simon said: This situation is made even worse as IKM refuse to sign their Windows installers (saving approx $10!). Actually between $179 USD to $499 USD a year, cheaper if you buy multiyear packages. Apple certs run around $100 per year. (maybe $10 if you consider splitting that cost over their numerous products) I've seen some cheaper Windows certs but they're issued per person not per company. But do 100% agree that a company IKM's size really should have their products signed. If I was IKM, I would probably do a quick nice group buy just for collecting money for the necessary signing (hint.. hint..) 1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heath Row Posted October 1, 2023 Share Posted October 1, 2023 (edited) I hope no one is running the latest T-Racks 5, Amplitube 5, Sampletank 4 or TONEX? because guess what? 🤣 I know they are to large for VirusTotal, but . . . 😂 Edited October 1, 2023 by heath row 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
simon Posted October 1, 2023 Share Posted October 1, 2023 That's the third time you've posted your family photo - and it just gets funnier every time. Just wondering, which one is you and did you make that hat yourself ? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heath Row Posted October 1, 2023 Share Posted October 1, 2023 (edited) Ahhh and there it is, just goes to prove you've lost the argument, well done sir. Edited October 1, 2023 by heath row Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
simon Posted October 1, 2023 Share Posted October 1, 2023 7 minutes ago, heath row said: Ahhh, just proves you've lost the argument Sorry, I wasn't aware we were arguing ? Of course if it's important to you then you most certainly win. Well done sir. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heath Row Posted October 1, 2023 Share Posted October 1, 2023 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canopus Posted October 1, 2023 Share Posted October 1, 2023 I don’t have anything from IKM, but I do have a lot of things from UVI. They have the same bad habit of not signing their Windows installers. I get a feeling Windows is almost an afterthought for many plugin manufacturers. "Yeah, right. What’s it called? Windows? I guess we have to make an installer for that as well. Oh, putain! I have to catch the bus in ten minutes, but I’ll try to squeeze it in! Isn’t there a Windows computer somewhere down in the basement?" 1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
telecode 101 Posted October 1, 2023 Share Posted October 1, 2023 I have yet to upgrade the IK products. Just waiting for all this to settle down. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chris.r Posted October 1, 2023 Share Posted October 1, 2023 5 hours ago, Canopus said: I get a feeling Windows is almost an afterthought for many plugin manufacturers. "Yeah, right. What’s it called? Windows? I guess we have to make an installer for that as well. Oh, putain! I have to catch the bus in ten minutes, but I’ll try to squeeze it in! Isn’t there a Windows computer somewhere down in the basement?" This is exactly how I imagine it! 😂 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marvin B Posted October 3, 2023 Share Posted October 3, 2023 (edited) I stumbled over this as well. Really worrying that a company in times like these does not sign the installers. Not sure how old this faq is: IK Multimedia FAQ, but it seems like they have troubles with virus scanners in general? Maybe @Peter - IK Multimedia could comment on this one? Edited October 3, 2023 by Marvin B Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian Walton Posted October 3, 2023 Share Posted October 3, 2023 (edited) On 10/1/2023 at 6:21 AM, Canopus said: I get a feeling Windows is almost an afterthought for many plugin manufacturers. "Yeah, right. What’s it called? Windows? I guess we have to make an installer for that as well. Oh, putain! I have to catch the bus in ten minutes, but I’ll try to squeeze it in! Isn’t there a Windows computer somewhere down in the basement?" Windows is still the biggest market - the issue I think has more to do with the fact that Windows allows you not to go down the "certification" path and still release something. Anyone that has released iOS apps/products knows Apple requires a fair amount of hoop jumping. You can release something with Windows to a wide audience without any interaction with Microsoft or giving them a dime. The "warning" pop-ups for unsigned applications seems pretty new in the long history of MS where you really feel like MS is telling you it might be blocked or is a potentially bad idea to install something. Edited October 3, 2023 by Brian Walton Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeeringAmps Posted October 6, 2023 Share Posted October 6, 2023 (edited) The C drive on my office rig “puked”, Win 10 is reinstalled, CbB and all my ToonTrack. FUG it! I went ahead and installed PM; no issues with MS Defender... t Edited October 6, 2023 by DeeringAmps 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
antler Posted October 6, 2023 Share Posted October 6, 2023 Hey @Peter - IK Multimedia Just a thought: if IK don't want to sign their Windows binaries (for whatever reason), would they consider putting up SHA-256 checksums or something so people can verify their downloads if they want to? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Music Software Deals Posted October 6, 2023 Share Posted October 6, 2023 Cloud based software signing is around $500 for 3 years (literally just bought it recently myself) and let's you sign without the use of a hardware key. It's simple to setup and get approved for 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirean Posted October 11, 2023 Share Posted October 11, 2023 (edited) So I had to upgrade to 1.0.8 in order to access my software and antivirus software still lit up during installation due to "Trojan Lokibot" (or "Trojan.TR/AD.SessLogger.tixjz") found in availability.exe. Edited October 11, 2023 by Kirean 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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