Anxiousmofo Posted March 12 Share Posted March 12 Tempted as I love(d) Trash 2 but I fear this will be bundled in the next Komplete Standard and I will regret buying in. Also not really wowed with the scaling back of features. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bitflipper Posted March 12 Share Posted March 12 In my ok-not-so-humble opinion, Trash was the most aptly named product ever. 1 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kitekrazy Posted March 12 Share Posted March 12 You will eventually get an email for the $29 upgrade. Avoid what the account says, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kitekrazy Posted March 12 Share Posted March 12 1 minute ago, Anxiousmofo said: Tempted as I love(d) Trash 2 but I fear this will be bundled in the next Komplete Standard and I will regret buying in. Also not really wowed with the scaling back of features. The $29 for me is worth every penny to avoid using Native Asshat 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pwal³ Posted March 12 Share Posted March 12 4 minutes ago, bitflipper said: In my ok-not-so-humble opinion, Trash was the most aptly named product ever. care to share? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bitflipper Posted March 12 Share Posted March 12 I use distortion often, so when I got Trash as part of a bundle I figured one more flavor in the toolbox had to be a good thing. But try as I might, everything it did to audio just turned out sounding unpleasant. Even when I tried to use it subtly. Well, they did name it "trash", so I should have known what to expect. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lawajava Posted March 12 Share Posted March 12 8 hours ago, Hillmy said: What's different is that instead of custom wave shaping you have an XY pad to combine different distortion types. What's added is the multiband for the convolver and an XY pad for that too. So it seems like a good plugin but not as good as Trash 2 because of all the missing features. I wonder if they will add the missing features in a future version. Trash Advanced 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian Walton Posted March 12 Share Posted March 12 46 minutes ago, bitflipper said: I use distortion often, so when I got Trash as part of a bundle I figured one more flavor in the toolbox had to be a good thing. But try as I might, everything it did to audio just turned out sounding unpleasant. Even when I tried to use it subtly. Well, they did name it "trash", so I should have known what to expect. I don't use real distortion all that often, but I also didn't understand the hype around it - everything I used it on sounded worse. For people that really use heavy distortion in the box maybe it works for that kind of harsh digital distortion thing which I'm not interested in. I use distorted guitars of course but I'm not adding ITB plugins to make it happen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fleer Posted March 12 Author Share Posted March 12 23 minutes ago, lawajava said: Trash Advanced Yeah baby Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bitflipper Posted March 12 Share Posted March 12 7 minutes ago, Brian Walton said: I don't use real distortion all that often... I think most here would say the same thing. But most don't consider saturators, exciters, tape sims, tube emulators, console/transformer emulators, fast-attack compression and clippers as "distortion", when that is exactly what they are. That's what I mean when I say I use distortion often. Sometimes, it is "real" distortion (one of my favorites is Redopter by D16, which can get truly nasty) but mixed under the dry signal, e.g. to bring out the crack of a snare drum. More often, it's FabFilter Saturn, which can also do nasty but really shines at more subtle algorithms. If iZotope Trash had comparable versatility, I wouldn't trash it the way I do. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian Walton Posted March 12 Share Posted March 12 7 minutes ago, bitflipper said: I think most here would say the same thing. But most don't consider saturators, exciters, tape sims, tube emulators, console/transformer emulators, fast-attack compression and clippers as "distortion", when that is exactly what they are. That's what I mean when I say I use distortion often. Sometimes, it is "real" distortion (one of my favorites is Redopter by D16, which can get truly nasty) but mixed under the dry signal, e.g. to bring out the crack of a snare drum. More often, it's FabFilter Saturn, which can also do nasty but really shines at more subtle algorithms. If iZotope Trash had comparable versatility, I wouldn't trash it the way I do. Yeah, exactly I do use lower level clipping, saturation, emulators, etc. But I'm not someone pulling out an Tonebender MKII and slapping it on a vocal track, etc which some people who use "distortion" do. I didn't find anything in Trash to be pleasing saturation, which I do use a lot -so in my tool box it was "harsh digital distortion" tool, which I don't tend to use. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jackson white Posted March 12 Share Posted March 12 ya, Trash was more of a bit chipper, whatever you fed it came out a bloody mess... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Starship Krupa Posted March 12 Share Posted March 12 I wouldn't have picked up Trash 2 if it hadn't been part of a very nicely priced bundle I wanted. That said, it's a classic effect and it never hurts to have something like that on hand if someone I'm working with wants a destroyed, abrasive NIN sound on some element or other. As a crusher, it's the crushiest, and it doesn't hurt that it has those modulators. It looks like they're taking a cue from what AIR did with Hybrid, Vacuum Pro, and Drumsynth 500: flatten the UI and remove features. Makes me wonder if we'll be seeing a Break Tweaker 2 with a similar approach (and which I would also pass on, though I love Break Tweaker). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hillmy Posted March 12 Share Posted March 12 36 minutes ago, Starship Krupa said: I wouldn't have picked up Trash 2 if it hadn't been part of a very nicely priced bundle I wanted. That said, it's a classic effect and it never hurts to have something like that on hand if someone I'm working with wants a destroyed, abrasive NIN sound on some element or other. As a crusher, it's the crushiest, and it doesn't hurt that it has those modulators. It looks like they're taking a cue from what AIR did with Hybrid, Vacuum Pro, and Drumsynth 500: flatten the UI and remove features. Makes me wonder if we'll be seeing a Break Tweaker 2 with a similar approach (and which I would also pass on, though I love Break Tweaker). Expect similar treatment to Iris as well. So there is that and nothing to be excited about. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheSteven Posted March 12 Share Posted March 12 (edited) 4 hours ago, bitflipper said: More often, it's FabFilter Saturn, which can also do nasty but really shines at more subtle algorithms. If iZotope Trash had comparable versatility, I wouldn't trash it the way I do. My favorite at the moment is Thermal by Output. Nice at adding some body & subtle movement without making things ugly. I've never really taken to Saturn, I think it was that I wasn't overly impressed by the presets; really need to a spend night with it delving deeper. Edited March 12 by TheSteven Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Starship Krupa Posted March 12 Share Posted March 12 1 hour ago, Hillmy said: Expect similar treatment to Iris as well. So there is that and nothing to be excited about. Iris could actually benefit from some simplification, IMO. 😄 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fleer Posted March 13 Author Share Posted March 13 2 hours ago, TheSteven said: My favorite at the moment is Thermal by Output. Nice at adding some body & subtle movement without making things ugly. I've never really taken to Saturn, I think it was that I wasn't overly impressed by the presets; really need to a spend night with it delving deeper. Thermal lover here too. But above all Saturn. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirean Posted March 13 Share Posted March 13 1 hour ago, Fleer said: But above all Saturn. This is on my list. I almost pulled the trigger last holiday season. Maybe next time. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bitflipper Posted March 13 Share Posted March 13 4 hours ago, TheSteven said: I've never really taken to Saturn, I think it was that I wasn't overly impressed by the presets I, too, was cool to it at first. Try the tube models, both broken and clean. This is where I usually land when I want to add just a little edge. What makes Saturn shine over other similar products is a) it's truly multi-band, and b) its envelope-follower modulation. The latter can work magic on a dull bass to make it pop. I'll have to give Thermal a try. Like I said, more tools in the kit is usually a good thing. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bitflipper Posted March 13 Share Posted March 13 Holy crap, the conspiracy theorists might be onto something...I just got a YouTube recommendation for a video titled "How to Use Trash". I haven't watched any videos on the subject in 10 years. My only possible keyword leak occurred just now, when I called Trash "trash" in this thread. The eyes are everywhere! Yes, I watched the video. Even in the hands of an iZotope product specialist it still sounds like trash. But now and forever, YouTube will be sending me similar recommendations. Guess I'll have to pull up a Flat Earth vid just to keep the algorithm on its toes. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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