abacab Posted September 2, 2022 Share Posted September 2, 2022 56 minutes ago, daveiv said: Today I'm messing around with a 48-oscillator galore of sound synthesis, and an 11-operator FM workstation. I'm waffling on the 11-operator F'em synth, even at $24. It's from the same demented mind that designed Biotek, Wolfram Franke. But somehow I think FOMO may get the best of me, even though I had tried the F'em demo when it was first released and decided that one extremely complex synth was already enough (Biotek). Might as well make it two! 🤣 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vst0nE Posted September 3, 2022 Share Posted September 3, 2022 does the F'em synth has random button for presets ideas, somethong like tone2 synths? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daveiv Posted September 3, 2022 Share Posted September 3, 2022 9 minutes ago, dee said: does the F'em synth has random button for presets ideas, somethong like tone2 synths? Can't find anything like that in the manual. @abacab should know if such thing exists. IMHO patch randomization makes more sense in subtractive synthesis than FM. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
abacab Posted September 3, 2022 Share Posted September 3, 2022 2 hours ago, daveiv said: Can't find anything like that in the manual. @abacab should know if such thing exists. IMHO patch randomization makes more sense in subtractive synthesis than FM. Don't have F'em yet, so cannot speak to any randomize features in that one. But just guessing based on the Biotek 2 synth by the same dev, I doubt it. There's just too many possible combinations of variables in a synth other than a pure subtractive synth to achieve anything useful at random. I suppose if you could freeze most of the preset and just randomize one section at a time that might be workable, but that's probably a huge ask to implement. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daveiv Posted September 3, 2022 Share Posted September 3, 2022 4 hours ago, abacab said: Don't have F'em yet We're only $24 away to fix that problem. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
abacab Posted September 3, 2022 Share Posted September 3, 2022 3 minutes ago, daveiv said: We're only $24 away to fix that problem. Well I already spent $12 of that on a silly product at Plugin Boutique so that I could get a free silly product for free! 🤪 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
abacab Posted September 3, 2022 Share Posted September 3, 2022 Uh-oh. Now I have another dilemma... 🙄 Just realized that the Biotek 2 expansions that normally sell for $50 can be had at JRR for $25.20 with code "GROUP". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fleer Posted September 3, 2022 Share Posted September 3, 2022 Just when you thought you were out … 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kitekrazy Posted September 3, 2022 Share Posted September 3, 2022 1 hour ago, abacab said: Well I already spent $12 of that on a silly product at Plugin Boutique so that I could get a free silly product for free! 🤪 I think if have more than enough FM synths and don't really know how to sue them other than presets. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daveiv Posted September 3, 2022 Share Posted September 3, 2022 Waveform Pro 12 is $75 on JRR with code GROUP. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daveiv Posted September 3, 2022 Share Posted September 3, 2022 5 hours ago, abacab said: Uh-oh. Now I have another dilemma... 🙄 Just realized that the Biotek 2 expansions that normally sell for $50 can be had at JRR for $25.20 with code "GROUP". Do you do soundtrack stuff with BioTek? It's like it's made for modern film scoring needs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
abacab Posted September 3, 2022 Share Posted September 3, 2022 (edited) 50 minutes ago, daveiv said: Do you do soundtrack stuff with BioTek? It's like it's made for modern film scoring needs Tracktion marketed BioTek as an "Organic" synth when it was first released. Apparently many folks assumed it was only good for cinematic soundtrack stuff. But most of the new sound banks are intended for edgier, modern popular music such as EDM, Raw Dubstep, Rap Trap, & Tropical House. A synth isn't "made" for any specific genre. A synth is a synth. Presets can be designed and marketed to a target market, so you may see certain synths favored by certain crowds that favor presets made for their style of music. Did you check out the Arachnid bank for Biotek? It's expressly aimed at EDM. My preference for synths is to get under the hood, using the presets as a starting point for understanding how sounds are made, and then tweaking them to taste. I guess that I lean toward ambient and chill music for my personal creative ambitions, although I like most styles of music, and have been to many hard rock concerts (but no dance music festivals)! Edited September 4, 2022 by abacab 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Music Software Deals Posted September 4, 2022 Share Posted September 4, 2022 This is the lowest recorded price for F.'em - previous lowest was $29: https://musicsoftwaredeals.com/price-history/f-em-by-Tracktion-27276/ 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anxiousmofo Posted September 5, 2022 Share Posted September 5, 2022 That's a fair amount of whoop-***** for $48. Sold. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheSteven Posted September 5, 2022 Share Posted September 5, 2022 (edited) On 9/2/2022 at 8:49 AM, abacab said: Biotek 2 Arachnid expansion $30 now at JRR https://www.jrrshop.com/tracktion-arachnid-edm-expansion-pack-for-biotek Are the "vocal" snippits that appear here & there - part of the library? The way they list the patches playing makes it a bit hard at times to tell which patch is being referred to. Edited September 5, 2022 by TheSteven Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daveiv Posted September 5, 2022 Share Posted September 5, 2022 Is there anything meaningful FM8 can't do that F.'em can? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
abacab Posted September 5, 2022 Share Posted September 5, 2022 4 hours ago, daveiv said: Is there anything meaningful FM8 can't do that F.'em can? FM8 can't scale the UI, but F'em can. F'em also has 2 sample operators and a noise operator, so a bit more capability for sound design. So it looks like F'em can do anything that FM8 could and more... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daveiv Posted September 5, 2022 Share Posted September 5, 2022 4 minutes ago, abacab said: FM8 can't scale the UI, but F'em can. F'em also has 2 sample operators and a noise operator, so a bit more capability for sound design. So it looks like F'em can do anything that FM8 could and more... FM8 can be an effect, and treat the incoming audio as an operator. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
abacab Posted September 5, 2022 Share Posted September 5, 2022 5 hours ago, TheSteven said: Are the "vocal" snippits that appear here & there - part of the library? The way they list the patches playing makes it a bit hard at times to tell which patch is being referred to. I don't have the Arachnid library, but just guessing here... Since Biotek can load samples (even user imported) into any oscillator (4 osc per layer, 12 layers) it's quite possible the vocal snippets are part of the library used in the demo presets. Tracktion apparently doesn't make any claims either way regarding the demo. The synth responds to all MIDI channels (omni), so there is no way to set individual synth layers to receive on a specific MIDI channel. The demo was probably done with layered multiple instances of the synth with different presets used for each instance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
abacab Posted September 5, 2022 Share Posted September 5, 2022 32 minutes ago, daveiv said: FM8 can be an effect, and treat the incoming audio as an operator. Cool, but you were asking what F'em could do... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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