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Thanks abacab. I'm just not quite sure what the love is for Steinberg designed software over other potential alternatives? One man is responsible for both ASIO and VST development. While I think plugin makers need a standard, I don't quite understand why everyone adopted Steinberg software into their DAWs? Yes it is free. Is that the only reason? Is it really that no one else wanted to attempt it? Because it was easier to take a free tool that works? I think if it were a non profit entity that oversees it I would feel more comfortable about it. The bottom line for many is simply the inconvenience of planned obsolescence. Eventually VST 2 will become obsolete since VST 3 is built on another system. I would like to see a more backwards compatible system where one shell can house several different designs and not be phased out . Software has been based on upgrade paths for profitablity and not because it could not have been more backwards compatible. Plugin designers are not making money if they have to redesign their plugins every 5 years because the wrapper was changed. I like to see improvements as an option. Am I overly opinionated? Probably....but I know what I want and I suspect many others aren't happy with the eventual end of VST2. Look at 26:20 on this video. Before that he says GPL ok for a "university". Sounds like the rest need to get a license.

UPDATE- You edited your reply that answered my question

This might be a good time for all DAW makers to unify over a new standard and tell Steinberg to take a hike. We did it with midi and vsti instrument shells why can't we do it with plugins? Develop a free easily ported standard that all plug in makers can adopt and stop paying licensing fees to Steinberg. There really is no reason why this couldn't be done. I mean, The plugins in the Pro Channel inside of Cakewalk are nothing but re written vsts. This was done 10 years ago? Think outside of the box. Go bigger. All you need for this to happen is- A. A new standard that doesn't infringe on vst3 copyright. B. Widespread adoption by DAW and plugin writers. I'm not a programmer or I would be tempted to give it a shot. Someone needs to roll the ball here. You could start out with a bunch of free plugins in the new standard to get people interested/started.

The reason this subject is such a tail chaser is because it is both a yes and no answer....all depending. All things being equal means all things ARE equal. "If" all things were always equal we wouldn't be having this discussion. The question has been shot down here repeatedly whenever it comes up as really inconsequential due to the similarity of audio engines in DAWS and the way they work. People who suggest otherwise are often seen as lacking some important fact by those who accept the status quo answer. I was one of those guys who was convinced there was no real difference and that any acceptance of a difference was always due to a placebo effect. "If" everything was always equal I would still think I was correct, however DAWs are not ever the same. We don't have just one generic DAW sound from all DAWs. Perceptions vary and maybe only subjective generalizations apply. I haven't ever heard out of your ears so I don't know what you hear. Even small differences mean not everything is the same. DAW makers tread a fine line here because most people want to take full responsibility for the sound they sculpt in their DAW. Any DAW maker admitting a difference, either intentional or unintentional could drive those away unless it has a perceived complimentary quality the user likes. In many cases the differences are seen as so munuscle as to not be worth mentioning. In most cases I would agree with that statement only because you can take that "sound" whatever it is and change it. Often the WAY we use DAWs changes the sound for us as well. We are getting a different sound because we are working in different ways with a slightly different interface. It would be nigh impossible to trade GUIs to test the placebo effect unless you never did anything in the DAW. Lately my answer has been YES they do sound different "if" you take into account additions besides simply the audio engine. I think Cakewalk has a more overt up front sound. Not harsh, but not soft either...leaning towards detail . Don't forget the Pro Channel adds something to the sound in it. By contrast I hear Studio One as being slightly softer. Not that you can't make it sound identical to Cakewalk with a few tweaks and plugins. Mixes I make in it usually don't need as much top end rolled off. Mixcraft was a very "in your face" DAW. Like many DAWs all channels are initially at 0db but for some reason it came off as hotter than most to me. I would say almost harsh. The new Mixcraft Pro 9 seems a little better. Ableton seems closer to Studio One. My theory is they lit some of the mixing buss up with something to "smooth" things out in that same way as Studio One. A secret sauce of some kind. Something buried in the code. Nothing in any of them is overt enough to make me not use it because the differences are so small you could easily overcome them with a few tweaks. I do tend to generally mix more "up front' when using Cakewalk. I can't say why. One reason might be the ProChannel is adding some minimal effect even when empty.

Haters gonna hate. Trolls are gonna troll. You helped a lot of people out. You truly have a good heart. I'm not always using Cakewalk . Lots of good tools out there today. Good to hear from you. Wasn't sure what had happened. Anyone who comes off authoritive ( like you do) seems to be challenged on the web. I know you have every right to be authoritive. Some people just like to challenge . I say hey, if they want to try something else, let them do it. It's often a set up really, someone asks how do you do this or that? You answered ( usually with a very detailed thoughtful response) Then someone else comes along to mix everything up....and frustrate the helper. Yep. I get that. Still......missed reading your very well crafted posts. Still remember one you wrote on EQ. It should have been published. You have trouble posting now? Hope all is well. If you are somehow laid up maybe one of those verbal speech to text things would help? Or maybe you just were ready to do something more useful with your time lol. Like I should be

This one is on the house No charge.* ducks and runs away, no I'm not tellin' you were*.

Interesting. Gotta run. Headed to the moobies. Double feature. I hear there's a real flap going on there. Second thought, I think I'll pass. My eyes can only take so much.

I only had time to listen to the first one which I think was very well done. Great guitar chops. vocals and mix. The video must have taken some time to put together as well. A good representation of the process.

A most pleasant listen. Loved the rhythms here. Thanks for sharing!

Very imaginative musical brush strokes Wookie! I can tell you weren't just getting your feet wet here *groan*. Thanks for sharing. Good to see you're still at it.

I liked this one Micheal. The message caused me to reflect. Undoubtedly I often don't measure up in my actions. I think it's a good message for Christians. To me the tempo seemed to drag slightly . Has a Tom Petty kind of vibe to my ears concerning the music. The only other thing I would say is the whole thing seems to be locked a little too tightly to the grid....not sure how it could be "loosened up" at this point or if you had even considered it. Just my thoughts. Congrats! Nice work.

This is one I could imagine hearing in the bar after the guys have wound down some and had a few. Nice! Almost has a country flavor to it.

" Blew the fuse in my Marshall" lol! The vocals in this are something that stood out for me, especially the harmonies which I really liked. The Marshal is, well a Marshal and that sound works very well here for this song. Nice work all round'. I hope to hear more of your work in the future!

You guys are creative, that's for sure. I like the reggae vibe with the lurching vocals. Not quite getting the visuals/vocals very well. I should revisit to get a better picture of your music. Thanks for sharing.

I had not heard of you before. This was a real treat. I skimmed your web page some. Interesting. You've been at it awhile and I think it shows in your work. Video is at least as important now as audio and I think you have made a great combination with this!

Nice rocker . As others have said, I have come to expect this level of music from you. Well done!

Well done Bjorn. You have a really great groove going on there and some nice synths.

Clown comment 1...bypassed. Clown comment 2....bypassed. Old worn out puns. Not a mashup I would have ever imagined. Tastefully done. I like this version better than the original. I had the sneaking feeling he might not have been playing the guitar solo.

I still eat it. Love it. One of my favs. Can I come over? About an hour after we eat I should leave, preferably alone.

Sorry to hear of this Paul. I'm glad to see that you're out of the hospital on on the mend. Post surgery can be a very trying thing. In thoughts and prayers.

Nothing like a little wind in the old sails.

Time for another go then!