Heath Row Posted May 2 Author Share Posted May 2 Thank you for your fine responses, now deviating a little but staying with the 'Soon' theme, what would you say would be the outer limit in time to the usage of the word 'soon'. For example 'Coming Soon' when would it be no longer 'soon', 1 month, 2 months, 8 months, a year, or is it open ended? A lot of folk seem to be unhappy with Cakewalks use and understanding of the term 'soon', what gives? I don't believe it would align with Promidi's post above, so what is it to be understood as. and are people right to be unhappy, angry even with the Cakewalk 'Soon'? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Starship Krupa Posted May 2 Share Posted May 2 4 hours ago, Heath Row said: you need no definition of 'jibba jabba', being a fine exponent of the art of 'jibber jabbery ' "Long-windedness," as far as I can gather. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glenn Stanton Posted May 2 Share Posted May 2 11 hours ago, Heath Row said: Ah, you need no definition of 'jibba jabba', being a fine exponent of the art of 'jibber jabbery ' The label was a fine piece of work used quite humorously. perhaps jibberish was derived from such classical statements? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Vere Posted May 2 Share Posted May 2 Some of the word definitions are interesting. Jiber- Taunting or Leer Jibe - to change direction ( sailing) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pathfinder Posted May 2 Share Posted May 2 (edited) 12 hours ago, Heath Row said: Thank you for your fine responses, now deviating a little but staying with the 'Soon' theme, what would you say would be the outer limit in time to the usage of the word 'soon'. For example 'Coming Soon' when would it be no longer 'soon', 1 month, 2 months, 8 months, a year, or is it open ended? A lot of folk seem to be unhappy with Cakewalks use and understanding of the term 'soon', what gives? I don't believe it would align with Promidi's post above, so what is it to be understood as. and are people right to be unhappy, angry even with the Cakewalk 'Soon'? Seems most just do NOT want to say Soon means actually what the dictionary states. soon is NOT later. everyone here knows this. everyone here knows the time length here is NOT soon. I get why they shy away from it. But I agree with you, we are way past the actual word "soon". I have my protective gear on for all the clever shots coming my way. But that does not change the fact that we all KNOW this is NOT SOON. Yes, we can stick up for CWBL, but for me, that does not mean making believe a word has no real meaning in the english language. Dictionary meaning: adverb in or after a short time: "everyone will soon know the truth" · "he'll be home soon" · "they arrived soon after 7:30" Similar: shortly presently in a moment in the twinkling of an eye early: "it's a pity you have to leave so soon" · "I wish you'd told me sooner" · "it was too soon to know" Edited May 2 by Pathfinder Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
User 905133 Posted May 2 Share Posted May 2 "Soon" is a bit like "Tomorrow." Both terms are futuristic; neither really gets here. "Now" and "Today" are situated in "The Present." "Forthcoming" is like "Soon" but doesn't imply a generalized time frame. I suspect even people who like to nit-pick, argue, etc. would probably agree that "Soon" implies a short period of time. Carry on, but I really think this "debate" should be done in The Coffee House. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glenn Stanton Posted May 2 Share Posted May 2 it would seem the lounge would be a better place for this "master debate", and all of the subsequent "master debation" (if that's a word) could take place in a more private place. 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pathfinder Posted May 2 Share Posted May 2 I agree about the lounge\Coffee house but I, for one, do NOT agree is it trivial. or doesn't matter and all the other "jokes" when anyone dares to mention this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
User 905133 Posted May 2 Share Posted May 2 5 minutes ago, Pathfinder said: I agree about the lounge\Coffee house but I, for one, do NOT agree is it trivial. or doesn't matter and all the other "jokes" when anyone dares to mention this. For the record, I wasn't joking. I was being seriously pedantic. That being said, I am a bit tired of these circular 'debates. Also for the record, I genuinely appreciate Glenn's phraseology. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pathfinder Posted May 2 Share Posted May 2 1 hour ago, User 905133 said: For the record, I wasn't joking. I was being seriously pedantic. That being said, I am a bit tired of these circular 'debates. Also for the record, I genuinely appreciate Glenn's phraseology. I had no doubt you were serious. I appreciated your comments. The jokes and the rest, not so much. Why the smug jokes and sarcasm? Well, we know! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glenn Stanton Posted May 2 Share Posted May 2 (edited) honestly? stressing over things out of our control is truly a waste. if someone said "it's coming soon" then in software paralance that's a minimum of 90 days to finish beta, bugs, package, market, commerce setup, banking, support, hypercare, etc. not trivial as "hey, let's drop a piece of software and charge someones credit card". so my understanding from Noel's comment - beta is done. so that was what? 2 weeks ago? so 90 days = ~12 weeks. so, soon: 8-10 weeks is my expectation based on 45 years of software and system design and development. if it comes in "sooner", i'll be pleasantly surprised and joyous. so, meanwhile back to the "soon" snarkiness. 😉 Edited May 2 by Glenn Stanton 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pwal³ Posted May 2 Share Posted May 2 soon as it's ready 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CSistine Posted May 2 Share Posted May 2 33 minutes ago, pwal³ said: soon as it's already Fixed it! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
57Gregy Posted May 2 Share Posted May 2 One year is sooner than 2 years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pathfinder Posted May 2 Share Posted May 2 3 hours ago, Glenn Stanton said: honestly? stressing over things out of our control is truly a waste. if someone said "it's coming soon" then in software paralance that's a minimum of 90 days to finish beta, bugs, package, market, commerce setup, banking, support, hypercare, etc. not trivial as "hey, let's drop a piece of software and charge someones credit card". so my understanding from Noel's comment - beta is done. so that was what? 2 weeks ago? so 90 days = ~12 weeks. so, soon: 8-10 weeks is my expectation based on 45 years of software and system design and development. if it comes in "sooner", i'll be pleasantly surprised and joyous. so, meanwhile back to the "soon" snarkiness. 😉 I am not stressing Glenn- I am sad and disappointed.........Sorry I don't buy the excuses.......No pun intended. I'm Done! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimbob Blues Posted May 3 Share Posted May 3 "I am a bit tired of these circular 'debates" "stressing over things out of our control is truly a waste" Couldn't agree more 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Misha Posted May 5 Share Posted May 5 "stressing over things out of our control is truly a waste" Yes. Stressing things that cause dissatisfaction of perspective paid customers and questioning strange / delayed release tactics is OK. So the company is aware that some are not happy about this and have a valid reason to be concerned. I don't view this as "circular" debates, but a reminder. Some companies tend to care what users have to say, some don't. I have no illusions about it. I think it's simply unfair to keep in the dark those who put trust in the company in the last 5 years. Those who could of learned different DAW in that time, but decided to stick on the premise that Cakewalk will be around, which seems is not the case going forward. I am not getting younger and it will be more challenging for me to get used to another DAW than 5 years ago. Subscription model is out of the question for me. BandLab please define "COMING SOON" P.S.I have this strange feeling that BL is at crossroad at this time. They can make things amazing (which I am sincerely hope for) or take path of companies like Reason, Waves and a few other murky players. I guess we will find out "SOON" 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Gelzleichter Posted May 6 Share Posted May 6 The way I see it is, I will have to take out my credit card SOON. If that is delayed, I can live with it. Until then I'm creating music with a daw that I love. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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