Sander Verstraten Posted February 13, 2023 Share Posted February 13, 2023 Found this while browsing Amazon.. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
telecode 101 Posted February 13, 2023 Share Posted February 13, 2023 (edited) yup. they jumped the gun in EU https://www.amazon.co.uk/IK-Multimedia-TONEX-Pedal-learning/dp/B0BV2Z8YYW/ref=sr_1_4?crid=IWXKKEC463J6&keywords=tonex&qid=1676315582&rnid=1642204031&s=musical-instruments&sprefix=tone%2Caps%2C222&sr=1-4 https://www.amazon.it/IK-Multimedia-TONEX-Pedal-learning/dp/B0BV2Z8YYW/ref=sr_1_8?__mk_it_IT=ÅMÅŽÕÑ&crid=1LZJ3JIKV4MUZ&keywords=tonex&qid=1676315827&sprefix=tonex+%2Caps%2C176&sr=8-8 Edited February 13, 2023 by telecode 101 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian Walton Posted February 13, 2023 Share Posted February 13, 2023 (edited) Hope the US release is cheaper. 🙄 Basically the same hardware as the X-series pedals but $180 USD more. Can't convince me the chip that is needed to run this costs anywhere close to that much more, as we already know ToneX isn't a CPU hog and can run on an iphone. Edited February 13, 2023 by Brian Walton 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DamienF Posted February 13, 2023 Share Posted February 13, 2023 180€ for RD ; the price isn't so high, comparing to Kemper for example but I wish there was send and return plugs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toffo Posted February 13, 2023 Share Posted February 13, 2023 (edited) 4 hours ago, Brian Walton said: Hope the US release is cheaper. 🙄 Basically the same hardware as the X-series pedals but $180 USD more. Can't convince me the chip that is needed to run this costs anywhere close to that much more, as we already know ToneX isn't a CPU hog and can run on an iphone. It’s not about what it costs to make, it’s about what people will pay for the functionality. You could pay $x for a pedal that does delays only, or reverb only, or you could pay $180 more for a pedal than can simulate any amp out there. You can also download hundreds of models for free online. When you compare it to things like the Quad Cortex and Kemper, this IK pedal is actually very competitively priced. Also, iPhones are powerful. Edited February 13, 2023 by Toffo 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian Walton Posted February 13, 2023 Share Posted February 13, 2023 2 hours ago, DamienF said: 180€ for RD ; the price isn't so high, comparing to Kemper for example but I wish there was send and return plugs the X-Series pedals also had R&D and this has a far larger market between the desktop app/vst and pedal all using the same tech to recoup those costs. It is still just a pedal like the X-Series (which are also priced at the top of the market and they are brand new to the pedal world). This isn't a Kemper though, you can't capture with just the device and if you compare it to the floor unit the controls and switches do not feel like an all in one unit like a Kemper. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian Walton Posted February 14, 2023 Share Posted February 14, 2023 (edited) 48 minutes ago, Toffo said: It’s not about what it costs to make, it’s about what people will pay for the functionality. You could pay $x for a pedal that does delays only, or reverb only, or you could pay $180 more for a pedal than can simulate any amp out there. You can also download hundreds of models for free online. When you compare it to things like the Quad Cortex and Kemper, this IK pedal is actually very competitively priced. Also, iPhones are powerful. Kemper and Quad Cortex are entire signal chains that replace both an amp and a pedalboard. This is an amp simulator with some very limited reverbs added on. Not the same product catergory. This is actually the only pedal I think IKM should have made. The X-Series there are too many other (frankly better) options on the market at the price point. The AMP sim catergory is the one that needed something to fit in beyond the Line6, and all the other "one off" amp sims such as Ethos Overdrive, Blackbird. The other problem is being a digital product means it has a shelf life unlike the expecation of something like the Ethos or Blackbird. I just think this could have been a ~$300 pedal and dominate the market, if we are honest, we know could have been done based on the "X" series already. If I'm not mistaken, my understanding is ToneX can run on a 9+ year old iphone. So while current Iphones are fairly powerful. 9 years is a long time in the chip industry. Edited February 14, 2023 by Brian Walton 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kitekrazy Posted February 14, 2023 Share Posted February 14, 2023 Jam points knock it down. Does this fall under the only pedal you would ever need? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DamienF Posted February 14, 2023 Share Posted February 14, 2023 (edited) and in fact the price difference is not 180 but approximatly 80€ (x pedal official price is 396€, even if the street price is different) Edited February 14, 2023 by DamienF Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian Walton Posted February 14, 2023 Share Posted February 14, 2023 6 hours ago, DamienF said: and in fact the price difference is not 180 but approximatly 80€ (x pedal official price is 396€, even if the street price is different) Street price is the only relevant stat for both. Given the odd value of the ToneX listing, I'm assuming that is some sort of street price....as MSRP is notoriously some number one penny shy of a whole number. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sander Verstraten Posted February 16, 2023 Author Share Posted February 16, 2023 It's released now: 399 Euro before Tax https://www.ikmultimedia.com/products/tonexpedal/#nl_form_area 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian Walton Posted February 16, 2023 Share Posted February 16, 2023 45 minutes ago, Sander Verstraten said: It's released now: 399 Euro before Tax https://www.ikmultimedia.com/products/tonexpedal/#nl_form_area Also 400 in USD. Not too bad if you have JamPoints to cover 30% off that. 90 day warranty on an item they also state will take years of tour abuse seems pathetic though Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sander Verstraten Posted February 16, 2023 Author Share Posted February 16, 2023 I wouldn't have minded a FX Loop, especially since the captures can be Drive Stomp + Amp + Cab. And It's weird the interface part just goes to 44.1 kHz. I would have expected 48 at least 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
telecode 101 Posted February 16, 2023 Share Posted February 16, 2023 here we go baby. finally something to use my J points on. now about to get divorced once the wife see's this on the card. ha!! 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian Walton Posted February 16, 2023 Share Posted February 16, 2023 2 hours ago, Sander Verstraten said: I wouldn't have minded a FX Loop, especially since the captures can be Drive Stomp + Amp + Cab. And It's weird the interface part just goes to 44.1 kHz. I would have expected 48 at least I think (and pray) that 44.1 is a typo. Other pages seem to list the spec as better than that. Agree lack of fx loop is unfortunate, and so is the lack of ability to load a ToneX pedal model and an amp+cab as a preset. Effectively you would have to capture the whole setup and load that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluzdog Posted February 16, 2023 Share Posted February 16, 2023 The feature set doesn't seem bad considering it's closest competitor costs $1,449 more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Roseberry Posted February 16, 2023 Share Posted February 16, 2023 (edited) https://www.ikmultimedia.com/products/tonexpedal/#info I don't think $400 is a bad price for what ToneX delivers. The Captures are better than Kemper or Quad Cortex (both of which are $1800+). I'm not crazy about the ToneX plugin UI... but it's slowly evolving and the integration with Amplitube 5 adds many useful features. I think this is going to be huge for IK. Add a H90 and maybe a couple of your favorite boosts/drives... and you've got a great sounding versatile gig/rehearsal rig. Small form-factor for easy cartage Edited February 16, 2023 by Jim Roseberry Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluzdog Posted February 16, 2023 Share Posted February 16, 2023 On 2/13/2023 at 9:27 PM, kitekrazy said: Jam points knock it down. Jam points won't work on this. I'm pretty sure Jam points only work for software. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sander Verstraten Posted February 16, 2023 Author Share Posted February 16, 2023 6 minutes ago, bluzdog said: Jam points won't work on this. I'm pretty sure Jam points only work for software. They did, got 120 knocked off of the 399 price before VAT 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluzdog Posted February 16, 2023 Share Posted February 16, 2023 1 minute ago, Sander Verstraten said: They did, got 120 knocked off of the 399 price before VAT You are correct, that's a fair deal $279.99! It comes with Tonex Max. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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