BTP Posted April 25 Share Posted April 25 (edited) Changelog 2.9.0: Content & Playback 8 new Arpeggio Patterns (Converge, Diverge, Converge/Diverge, Thumbs Up, Thumbs Up/Down, Pinky Up, Pinky Up/Down, Spanish Tremolo) 22 New Song Chordsets (Celtic, Chill, Country, Alternative, Progressive Rock) 13 new Bass Expressions in the new Triplet Bass category “Progressive” Chordsets category renamed to “Progressive House” New Live Suggest mode Generate chords compatible with your progression based on your currently played chord. Suggestions update in realtime per chord. New ‘Passages’ Articulation 7 New ‘Passages’’ that add movements to chord progressions. Key-switches allow switching passages whilst performing. New Guitar Features Left-handed representation for Fretboard and Chord Chart display Other Improvements Improved automatic chord detection General bug fixes and DAW compatibility Re-introduced ‘Slap bass’ Internal sound missing in Scaler 2.8 https://www.pluginboutique.com/myaccount Edited April 26 by BTP 10 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian Lawler Posted April 25 Share Posted April 25 The best MIDI app just gets better and better. 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fleer Posted April 25 Share Posted April 25 Oops, 2.9 prolly means I’ll soon have to pay for 3. And I never even tried 2 (or 1 for that matter). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian Walton Posted April 25 Share Posted April 25 16 minutes ago, Fleer said: Oops, 2.9 prolly means I’ll soon have to pay for 3. And I never even tried 2 (or 1 for that matter). Yes, 3.0 will be a paid upgrade. Not even trying v2 is sad. One of the only VSTs I think is actually worth the money (perhaps more valuable to someone like myself with decades of playing guitar but limited keyboard use) 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Dispossessed Orangutan Posted April 25 Share Posted April 25 Sadly, Scaler seems to be devolving towards a focus on promising instant song creation rather than serious chord melody analysis. I use it by feeding it chord progressions that I have "composed" by ear, a task which was purportedly Scaler's purpose. But, after it does its best job at analysis, I still have to guess which one of its guesses most closely describes the scale hidden within the movement of the chords I have supplied. I don't need an endless collection of arpeggios, bass lines, beats, etc. to lay on top of my progression. I already hear those in my head. I wanted to use Scaler as a fast and convenient way to identify scales and suitable harmonies, and it has not proven to be especially good at that. I expected more, but I have found that each update has accustomed me to receiving less. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mettelus Posted April 25 Share Posted April 25 (edited) This version also fixes the SOP 6.6 VST3 issue. I didn't see that in the release notes but wanted to check that out and it is again functional. Edited April 25 by mettelus 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian Walton Posted April 25 Share Posted April 25 1 hour ago, The Dispossessed Orangutan said: Sadly, Scaler seems to be devolving towards a focus on promising instant song creation rather than serious chord melody analysis. I use it by feeding it chord progressions that I have "composed" by ear, a task which was purportedly Scaler's purpose. But, after it does its best job at analysis, I still have to guess which one of its guesses most closely describes the scale hidden within the movement of the chords I have supplied. I don't need an endless collection of arpeggios, bass lines, beats, etc. to lay on top of my progression. I already hear those in my head. I wanted to use Scaler as a fast and convenient way to identify scales and suitable harmonies, and it has not proven to be especially good at that. I expected more, but I have found that each update has accustomed me to receiving less. Are you feeding it MIDI for this task? I'd tend to expect something similar as each scale will have overlap of notes and it will then have a "percent" match and the composer may want to use one that isn't the highest percent match especially if you are looking at a progression that doesn't fit neatly across all of them. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Dispossessed Orangutan Posted April 25 Share Posted April 25 (edited) Yes 2 hours ago, Brian Walton said: Are you feeding it MIDI for this task? Yes, MIDI. I do understand that there are limitations to identifying a scale due to not enough information, but the program could be improved to elicit that information from the musician using it. A challenge-response function such as "add a melody you hear in your head to the chords" or add some "chords to the melody." These are the kinds of questions a learned mentor might ask if they were helping you evolve as a musician. Of course, the holy grail would be an app that could recognize and identify modulations. That idea seems to be lying over the horizon and out of sight of these sorts of helper apps. What I don't understand is leaving the application to function as is while piling on a bunch of goober bloat in the extra content folder. It seems like it is becoming just another variant of new and improved creativity in a bottle. It's starting to remind me of the early 2000's SONAR dev shell game paradigm. . Edited April 25 by The Dispossessed Orangutan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davidec Posted April 26 Share Posted April 26 8 hours ago, The Dispossessed Orangutan said: What I don't understand is leaving the application to function as is while piling on a bunch of goober bloat in the extra content folder. I wouldn't even begin to be able to quantify the new, free features we have added since Scaler 2, so whilst I'm always on the hunt for criticism that helps us improve and see things from a different perspective I wouldn't agree with you there. As for the extra content, our users demand it, and I am sick of seeing chord packs here and there which many people spend hard earned money on and get nothing out of. I am hopeful our users don't and that's because of the stuff we put in there. 8 hours ago, The Dispossessed Orangutan said: It's starting to remind me of the early 2000's SONAR dev shell game paradigm. Not sure what that it is but it doesn't sound good! 12 hours ago, The Dispossessed Orangutan said: Sadly, Scaler seems to be devolving towards a focus on promising instant song creation rather than serious chord melody analysis. I use it by feeding it chord progressions that I have "composed" by ear, a task which was purportedly Scaler's purpose. But, after it does its best job at analysis, I still have to guess which one of its guesses most closely describes the scale hidden within the movement of the chords I have supplied. I don't need an endless collection of arpeggios, bass lines, beats, etc. to lay on top of my progression. I already hear those in my head. I wanted to use Scaler as a fast and convenient way to identify scales and suitable harmonies, and it has not proven to be especially good at that. I expected more, but I have found that each update has accustomed me to receiving less. I can see your point that's fair enough. As the Creative Director at Scaler it's my role to decide what goes in and what doesn't. That's kind of how we develop it rather than an overall strategy, it's done on feel and need. I only make decisions on Scaler when I am using it as a writing tool on a project which I am emotionally invested in. Moving forward your correct in that I am wanting a more complete song writing tool that does more, but that doesn't abandon it's raison d'être which is to identify scales and keys and offer me an insight into those moods and help me build a track from there. The audio detection in 2.9 is much, much better that what it previously was. Maybe that may allay your concerns of abandonment towards chord and scale analysis. Besides, maybe I am not as naturally gifted a musician as you but for me it does the job - that will only get better. Thanks for making us think anyways. 🙂 21 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fleer Posted April 26 Share Posted April 26 Great to see you here @davidec I now have to start playing with Scaler! 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Dispossessed Orangutan Posted April 26 Share Posted April 26 Hi @davidec Thank you for taking the time to consider the comments I have made. Thank you. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Maar Posted April 26 Share Posted April 26 (edited) 8 hours ago, davidec said: I wouldn't even begin to be able to quantify the new, free features we have added since Scaler 2, so whilst I'm always on the hunt for criticism that helps us improve and see things from a different perspective I wouldn't agree with you there. As for the extra content, our users demand it, and I am sick of seeing chord packs here and there which many people spend hard earned money on and get nothing out of. I am hopeful our users don't and that's because of the stuff we put in there. Not sure what that it is but it doesn't sound good! I can see your point that's fair enough. As the Creative Director at Scaler it's my role to decide what goes in and what doesn't. That's kind of how we develop it rather than an overall strategy, it's done on feel and need. I only make decisions on Scaler when I am using it as a writing tool on a project which I am emotionally invested in. Moving forward your correct in that I am wanting a more complete song writing tool that does more, but that doesn't abandon it's raison d'être which is to identify scales and keys and offer me an insight into those moods and help me build a track from there. The audio detection in 2.9 is much, much better that what it previously was. Maybe that may allay your concerns of abandonment towards chord and scale analysis. Besides, maybe I am not as naturally gifted a musician as you but for me it does the job - that will only get better. Thanks for making us think anyways. 🙂 I come from the olden days of Scaler v1. I was more than happy to pay for the v2 upgrade, and I'll be more than happy to pay for v3 when it arrives. There is absolutely no reason that I can't use v2.9 the way I used v1.x. You haven't taken any of that away. The tons of new features you add to each major version before releasing the next major upgrade is astonishing. Super good value for the money. I had Captain Plugins and upgraded to Captain Epic Plugins.. Didn't use CP. Don't use CEP. I have Orb Producer and Orb Composer. I not only couldn't get into using them, I uninstalled them because of the crazy MIDI crap they added in the background, but didn't give you any control over (at least I never found out how). But Scaler? It was and remains a super useful tool to me. Right up there with Gig Performer and Studio One Pro. As soon as I heard about v2.9, I started pinging Plugin Boutique this morning every hour or so, looking for its release. I'm on Central European Time, so it was a few hours after I got up and going before it showed up. Thanks for all of your hard and thoughtful work! Now, I've just got to get my arms (mind) around Scaler EQ. The added features in the v1.1.1 update, like the sidechaining and input and output limiters, also seem really useful. Edited April 26 by John Maar 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
locrian Posted April 26 Share Posted April 26 Scaler has many very useful functions, but I find the GUI very counterintuitive and frequently struggle to do simple things like shift the register of a pattern/sequence up or down an octave. I think part of the problem is that much of the functionality is buried in nested menus. Microsoft is famous for doing that, and that's one of the reasons why I stopped using their software. However, I must say that I genuinely appreciate all the free 2.X updates. And I too will likely pay to upgrade to version 3 to show my support for future developments. Cheers... 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dubdisciple Posted April 26 Share Posted April 26 I think Scaler offers amazing value and flexibility. Yes, it does have a lot of features for the paint by numbers approach to production, but there is plenty for the advanced user to unpack as well. I think the updates have been excellent and will definitely purchase version 3. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mettelus Posted April 26 Share Posted April 26 Wow, there is one you don't see very often... someone who takes so much pride in their work that they actually listen and respond to users without getting indignant. Very good form. 9 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
audioschmaudio Posted yesterday at 08:21 AM Share Posted yesterday at 08:21 AM (edited) The official Scaler 2 course at School of Synthesis has been updated and now has a new module, module 9, which covers all that's new in Scaler 2.9. Edited yesterday at 09:21 AM by audioschmaudio 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Maar Posted yesterday at 01:05 PM Share Posted yesterday at 01:05 PM 4 hours ago, audioschmaudio said: The official Scaler 2 course at School of Synthesis has been updated and now has a new module, module 9, which covers all that's new in Scaler 2.9. I already owned this course. I checked, and this new material is included at no charge for existing owners of the course. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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