El Diablo Posted October 8, 2023 Share Posted October 8, 2023 Don't get Western mixed up with Country. It happens allot! You know, church bell, piano, trumpet, horse, whistling, harmonica, cow bell, ticking clock, whip, banjo, gravel being smashed, fist hitting wall, etc. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BTP Posted October 8, 2023 Share Posted October 8, 2023 https://www.fluffyaudio.com/shop/spaghetti-western/ 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PavlovsCat Posted October 8, 2023 Share Posted October 8, 2023 (edited) 8 hours ago, El Diablo said: Don't get Western mixed up with Country. It happens allot! Heck, the friendly staff at Bob's Country Bunker taught me that in my youth. Seriously though, technically, the Western style genre is a subgenre of country music that celebrated cowboys. Gene Autry and Roy Rogers were the most popular artists performing that style. Although you could be thinking about the kind of soundtrack music played in old Western-style movies and TV shows? If so, there's an Orange Tree Samples' Evolution library that has a great electric guitar preset in that style in the Stratosphere library called "Classic Outlaw" that captures the iconic classic western movie and TV electric guitar tremelo sound perfectly and offhand, I would think "Evolution Old Relic," an acoustic guitar library would be a good fit for an acoustic guitar that fits the genre. (Disclosure: I've consulted to OTS in the past, but that's not why I recommend them, they're simply superb sample libraries). As for Fluffy, they make decent libraries, but their customer support can be very poor and they can be really bad to deal with. I had a very bad experience with my customer support tickets -- 4 of them -- ignored for 11 months -- the only support requests I've ever put in after being a customer for a few years and it really was just a basic question on the capabilities of a sample library I purchased -- and then the developer lashing out at me and calling me names, claiming I made everything up, when I created a thread to share my experience. In three decades of buying sample libraries, I've never had an experience like that one, and since then, I've had PMs from one of his associates who told that my bad experience with the developer wasn't unique, then two other people, one a customer and another who had an association with the developer who shared a bad experience with him. Again, pretty good quality sample libraries, but poor support and less than good ethics and behavior if you ever need customer support. From Wikipedia: "Western music is a form of country music composed by and about the people who settled and worked throughout the Western United States and Western Canada. Western music celebrates the lifestyle of the cowboy on the open ranges, Rocky Mountains, and prairies of Western North America." The Evolution libraries: Stratosphere (Fender Strat): https://www.orangetreesamples.com/products/evolution-electric-guitar-stratosphere Dry Relic (acoustic guitar): https://www.orangetreesamples.com/products/evolution-dry-relic Bluegrass Banjo https://www.orangetreesamples.com/products/evolution-bluegrass-banjo Vintage Gent (a vintage electric guitar) https://www.orangetreesamples.com/products/evolution-vintage-gent Edited October 9, 2023 by PavlovsCat 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lionel Posted October 9, 2023 Share Posted October 9, 2023 Must be a fun product that you’re working on! 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
audioschmaudio Posted October 9, 2023 Share Posted October 9, 2023 Black Octopus has some, but they're not cheap https://blackoctopus-sound.com/product/basement-freaks-presents-spaghetti-western-psychedelia/ https://blackoctopus-sound.com/product/western-mariachi-balkan-bundle/ 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pseudopop Posted October 9, 2023 Share Posted October 9, 2023 The Misfit instruments from 8dio might also fit the bill: https://8dio.com/collections/misfits You can often get the whole collection for less than a $100. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PavlovsCat Posted October 9, 2023 Share Posted October 9, 2023 (edited) Okay, some other libraries that fit what you're looking for came to mind. They came to mind because a few years ago my son was really into Red Dead Redemption and wanted me to get him a honky tonk piano sample library. I found that Addictive Keys Modern Upright, which I already owned, has a pretty good honky tonk patch. But I think, based on the demos, the Wavesfactory Tack Piano sounds even better. Addictive Keys: Modern Upright has a patch called Honky Lady that is a really good honky tonk piano sound that you'd probably like. But I think you'd have to search YouTube to hear it, because I don't thnk there's a demo for it on their site. https://www.xlnaudio.com/products/addictive_keys/instrument/modern_upright Wavesfactory has a really great sounding honky tonk tack piano right out of an old western movie. I think it's my favorite honky tonk piano sample library. I don't own it, I'm basing that on the demos, which sound fabulous to my ears. https://www.wavesfactory.com/kontakt-libraries/the-tack-piano/ Soundiron's Drinking Piano and Granny Piano libraries both sound close and are cheaper than ht Wavesfactory Tack Piano. I think they're worth checking out, as you may find one has the right vibe. https://soundiron.com/products/the-drinking-piano?_pos=1&_sid=a8bc7ad62&_ss=r https://soundiron.com/products/old-busted-granny-piano?_pos=1&_sid=470bad2fb&_ss=r I just remembered that the free KONTAKT library, Heritage Percussion has a cowbell and other percussion even though cowbells are pretty easy to find. https://impactsoundworks.com/product/heritage-percussion/ Rast Sound has a whistle library. The demos sound decent. Realitone makes one too, but I think it may sound too polished for the western sound you're after. Check this one out. https://rastsound.com/downloads/whistle/ You can find low priced one shot files for the whips, clock horse... at a bunch of sites that I can't think of off hand, hopefully someone will chime in soon with a suggestion. Edited October 9, 2023 by PavlovsCat 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carl Ewing Posted October 9, 2023 Share Posted October 9, 2023 (edited) 12 hours ago, BTP said: https://www.fluffyaudio.com/shop/spaghetti-western/ Also Big Fish Grindhouse: https://www.bigfishaudio.com/Grindhouse Has whistling instrument, solo pipes / ocarina / mariachi trumpet, guitars, harmonica, etc But much of the library is heavily processed for that spaghetti western / grindhouse style. But I actually like a few of the patches more than other libraries (for example the whistling patch), but everything has some heavy processing. Edited October 9, 2023 by Carl Ewing 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DamienF Posted October 9, 2023 Share Posted October 9, 2023 Why not looking in Sampletank 4 instruments ? For exemple you've got a dobro in Max V2, also Honky Tonk piano and lot of other stuff Sampletank sounds aren't probably the best but Sampletank seems to be very useful for sound illustration, advertisement music, etc. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dumbquestions Posted October 9, 2023 Share Posted October 9, 2023 (edited) Ive been eyeballing this Honky tonk harmonica myself, probably waiting until BF: https://www.embertone.com/instruments/honkytonkharmonica.php cinematique banjo v3 is on sale now at PB for $30 until 10/27: https://www.pluginboutique.com/product/1-Instruments/55-Kontakt-Instrument/9304-Banjo-v3#a_aid=57ac3d39bf8f6 are these hitting closer to country than western? Maybe idk Edited October 9, 2023 by dumbquestions 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
El Diablo Posted October 9, 2023 Author Share Posted October 9, 2023 5 hours ago, PavlovsCat said: Okay, some other libraries that fit what you're looking for came to mind. They came to mind because a few years ago my son was really into Red Dead Redemption and wanted me to get him a honky tonk piano sample library. I found that Addictive Keys Modern Upright, which I already owned, has a pretty good honky tonk patch. But I think, based on the demos, the Wavesfactory Tack Piano sounds even better. Addictive Keys: Modern Upright has a patch called Honky Lady that is a really good honky tonk piano sound that you'd probably like. But I think you'd have to search YouTube to hear it, because I don't thnk there's a demo for it on their site. https://www.xlnaudio.com/products/addictive_keys/instrument/modern_upright Wavesfactory has a really great sounding honky tonk tack piano right out of an old western movie. I think it's my favorite honky tonk piano sample library. I don't own it, I'm basing that on the demos, which sound fabulous to my ears. https://www.wavesfactory.com/kontakt-libraries/the-tack-piano/ Soundiron's Drinking Piano and Granny Piano libraries both sound close and are cheaper than ht Wavesfactory Tack Piano. I think they're worth checking out, as you may find one has the right vibe. https://soundiron.com/products/the-drinking-piano?_pos=1&_sid=a8bc7ad62&_ss=r https://soundiron.com/products/old-busted-granny-piano?_pos=1&_sid=470bad2fb&_ss=r I just remembered that the free KONTAKT library, Heritage Percussion has a cowbell and other percussion even though cowbells are pretty easy to find. https://impactsoundworks.com/product/heritage-percussion/ Rast Sound has a whistle library. The demos sound decent. Realitone makes one too, but I think it may sound too polished for the western sound you're after. Check this one out. https://rastsound.com/downloads/whistle/ You can find low priced one shot files for the whips, clock horse... at a bunch of sites that I can't think of off hand, hopefully someone will chime in soon with a suggestion. That whistle instrument sounds awesome 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
El Diablo Posted October 9, 2023 Author Share Posted October 9, 2023 6 hours ago, pseudopop said: The Misfit instruments from 8dio might also fit the bill: https://8dio.com/collections/misfits You can often get the whole collection for less than a $100. Nice, Bucket bass and washboard! I didn't even think of those! Thanks! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
El Diablo Posted October 9, 2023 Author Share Posted October 9, 2023 2 hours ago, dumbquestions said: Ive been eyeballing this Honky tonk harmonica myself, probably waiting until BF: https://www.embertone.com/instruments/honkytonkharmonica.php cinematique banjo v3 is on sale now at PB for $30 until 10/27: https://www.pluginboutique.com/product/1-Instruments/55-Kontakt-Instrument/9304-Banjo-v3#a_aid=57ac3d39bf8f6 are these hitting closer to country than western? Maybe idk Wow! You've scored me two great instruments That awesome Honky tonk harmonica! Thank you so much for showing that great find! That banjo, will have to add that too! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PavlovsCat Posted October 9, 2023 Share Posted October 9, 2023 1 minute ago, El Diablo said: Wow! You've scored me two great instruments That awesome Honky tonk harmonica! Thank you so much for showing that great find! That banjo, will have to add that too! Embertone makes some nice libraries in my experience. I love their grand piano, one of my favs, but it's not a fit for Western style music. I just wanted to share that I think they're a top notch quality developer. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
El Diablo Posted October 9, 2023 Author Share Posted October 9, 2023 2 minutes ago, PavlovsCat said: Embertone makes some nice libraries in my experience. I love their grand piano, one of my favs, but it's not a fit for Western style music. I just wanted to share that I think they're a top notch quality developer. I somehow over looked your suggested banjo. I'll have to look at it! Some recommended instruments like guitar and drums, I don't need as I have more than plenty. It's the really odd instruments that nobody really uses goes into the kind of Western type of music I'm working on. I'll let you listen to a shorten version of what I'm working on... it's a unlisted link. It's only 1 minute and 47 seconds. It's a Collab between me and Unfinished Songs. It's not listed yet, but I think it's okay for this forum. Try to keep it on the down low. https://youtu.be/MDDP8393rco?si=KutEaTmPvGMRi_Fk You can tell how it needs more instruments to build it up some more. I'll have to see about adding different instruments and I'll even give y'all a link of an update. I've added a church bell to my most recent version, but it doesn't sound right. I'm still looking for a great church bell (not bells); but a single strike of a large church bell (not bong). I think it would help this song. I plan to release my instrumental versions to the Unfinished Songs members only after I've completed the song. Please post your thoughts here and not on the YouTube 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
El Diablo Posted October 9, 2023 Author Share Posted October 9, 2023 3 hours ago, DamienF said: Why not looking in Sampletank 4 instruments ? For exemple you've got a dobro in Max V2, also Honky Tonk piano and lot of other stuff Sampletank sounds aren't probably the best but Sampletank seems to be very useful for sound illustration, advertisement music, etc. I've got Native Instruments Komplete, but from what I'm finding out, it's not really compete! They are missing tons of unusual instruments, or the instruments don't sound good enough. Sampletank seems to be along the same thing? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
audioschmaudio Posted October 9, 2023 Share Posted October 9, 2023 5 minutes ago, El Diablo said: I've got Native Instruments Komplete, but from what I'm finding out, it's not really compete! They are missing tons of unusual instruments, or the instruments don't sound good enough. Sampletank seems to be along the same thing? Here's the list of instruments included in SampleTank 4 MAX v2: https://www.ikmultimedia.com/products/include/st4/soundlist/SampleTank_4_MAX_v2_Instruments.pdf It's really A LOT! The chances of finding some rare instruments there might be better there than with Komplete. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PavlovsCat Posted October 9, 2023 Share Posted October 9, 2023 (edited) See this thread is a great example of a bunch of us helping someone out and there I spend a bunch of energy trying to be helpful to others in another thread, and some (this space intentionally left blank) makes an attack on me. Guys, I'm a mostly kind person, but as I get older, my tolerance for people who try bully others or who are just proud of behaving like jerks is getting smaller. The older I get, the faster I am to shut that cr@p down. Edited October 9, 2023 by PavlovsCat 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
audioschmaudio Posted October 9, 2023 Share Posted October 9, 2023 Now this is awkward. I never listen to western music on Spotify. Never. And Spotify never suggests it to me in my weekly mixtape. But now suddenly I got two suggestions. Probably a cookie thing. Still, spooky. Or is it a new trend and El Diablo is an early adopter/trendsetter? One of the two suggestions actually isn't that bad. "West 64" by Thomas Vent. It mixes Western music with Hip Hop beats. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PavlovsCat Posted October 9, 2023 Share Posted October 9, 2023 @El Diablo Do you want to share the story behind what got you into this genre, now that it seems a bunch of us are interested? In my college student son's case, I bought him Red Dead Redemption-- actually upon the recommendation of a sample developer friend's wife. And my son loved it and suddenly he was totally into Scott Joplin and ragtime and other Western music. What got you into it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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