Paul Fogarty Posted July 10, 2023 Share Posted July 10, 2023 got to that time where I need to reinstall cakewalk rapture again. seems like finding lord lucan would have been an easier task.. the command center is much use as chocolate teapot now for this n dim pro.. anyone got any pointers ? cheers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scook Posted July 10, 2023 Share Posted July 10, 2023 The CCC should be OK Assuming you are running version 1.1.8.1 and have a valid login for the legacy site. I believe the CCC was updated after the recent Sonar/Next announcement. The current version of CCC is available here Password reset is performed on request by support@cakewalk.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul Fogarty Posted July 13, 2023 Author Share Posted July 13, 2023 sadly no joy... and the old links to rapure on cakewalks old site are dead links the command centre links to "rapture sessions" which I am not wanting. and the new version is as much help as a chocolate teapot can cakewalk / bandlab or whatever they are called this week .. just upload a set of files without the d!king about like other vendors do. the dvd boxset i have of both dp and rapture only contain 32 bit , tried em.. IRC computer music gave away rapture on a cover disk.. but i'm really not in the mood for crate digging. considering I helped with muz3um (for free) ... it's really annoying.. you have servers.. and not utilised.. or over complicated i switched from sonar, it just really was over engineered vs many other stuff I used .. real shame that (and yer i'v been making music from ST days on cubase / clab) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Tim Posted July 13, 2023 Share Posted July 13, 2023 Contact support in the post above yours, they'll likely be able to sort it out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fret_man Posted July 13, 2023 Share Posted July 13, 2023 64bit Rapture came with SonarX2, X3 and Platinum. Dig up those disks and install only Rapture. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scook Posted July 13, 2023 Share Posted July 13, 2023 The installer should be in the old user accounts. While CCC is the recommended way to install and activate but the manual process is still an option. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
User 905133 Posted July 13, 2023 Share Posted July 13, 2023 (edited) I just checked to see if I had Rapture on my current audio PC. I do, but I get the not-set-up-properly-use-the-CD-to-reinstall warning. I tried the CCC method, but I only see Rapture Session there. I have the setup files for Rapture 1.21 and the upgrade for Rapture 1.22, but I need to find my serial number to install them. Perhaps you are talking about Rapture Pro, which was a separate purchase IIRC and might have been offered as a free perk to some loyal Cakewalk users who were lucky enough to have seen the email offer. Update: I managed to find my serial number and registration code and install it. The in-app (CbB) registration dialog needs CbB to be in administration mode. Then to run CbB, it needs to be restarted in normal mode (so fas as I can tell). The 1.22 upgrade gives a warning that version 1.0 (or maybe it said 1.1) or higher needs to be installed. Since I had just installed 1.21 I allowed the PC to proceed. I also installed installed the expansion packs. I used F5 to make sure all sound content was listed within Rapture. Rapture seemed to work properly; however, in three out of three tests runs (playing back 2-Part Invention #13 in A Minor), CbB crashes to Windows. Edited July 17, 2023 by User 905133 typo fixed; to add an update; correction Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Vere Posted July 13, 2023 Share Posted July 13, 2023 (edited) I have Rapture. It was in CCC. My version of CCC must have been outdated because it wouldn't run. I had to do some digging as we are aware the Cakewalk web site pages are sort of a mess right now. But I hacked my way to the download and installed it. Notice it installs a Visual C+ add on which could explain someone having issues if they didn't. But I had no issues and I ran Cakewalk as Admin and entered my serial number and registration and it seems to work just fine. I think it uses the same library as Dim Pro so I don't bother installing it and I just use Dim Pro. I made a TXT document a long time ago with all my serial numbers only a fool would loose track of stuff like that, it's worth a lot of money and one day there may not be any servers to rely on anymore. Edited July 13, 2023 by JohnnyV Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
User 905133 Posted July 13, 2023 Share Posted July 13, 2023 Interesting that you have it in the CCC. Maybe I got it before the CCC was in effect? Or maybe mine isn't there because I got it as an upgrade? Maybe tomorrow I will try to uninstall and reinstall so it doesn't crash at the same point in the song. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Vere Posted July 14, 2023 Share Posted July 14, 2023 (edited) After Sonar 8.5 I only bought X3 Studio and then upgraded to Splat when the offer was just right. I says on my product page that I registered it on June 27 2015. That is the same date as Sonar Platinum so it must have been included. But I seem to remember getting free things as part of bait for upgrades. my dates show X3 Studio Jan 2014 Sonar Professional January 2015 Sonar Platinum June 2015 I distinctly remember save about $300 by buying discounts and then upgrades. I just did the same with Melodyne. Edited July 14, 2023 by JohnnyV 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steev Posted July 14, 2023 Share Posted July 14, 2023 (edited) 19 hours ago, User 905133 said: Interesting that you have it in the CCC. Maybe I got it before the CCC was in effect? Or maybe mine isn't there because I got it as an upgrade? Maybe tomorrow I will try to uninstall and reinstall so it doesn't crash at the same point in the song. Doesn't crash at the "same point in the song"? Waitaminutenow.. Sounds like Rapture is in fact installed & running. 🤔 I don't think your problem is with Rapture, I'm thinking you're running out of computer resources, (CPU, buss, system memory) and mayhap you are trying to run a DAW project your computer can't handle? Edited July 14, 2023 by Steev Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JnTuneTech Posted July 14, 2023 Share Posted July 14, 2023 I have had Rapture (and most of the SONAR add-on tools) running with no issues in CbB for quite some time now. However, I did originally put it all together by starting with an X1-SPLAT upgrade, and eventually adding CbB alongside. I now mostly use Rapture Pro, as it basically seems to be the combination of everything from CWSS (which is only 32-bit) thru to all the pro versions of Dimension & Rapture, including some of the quick "instrument" GUI knob add-ons that were in CWSS. All of it uses the same sample locations & library functions, and with a few exceptions, most of the add-ons that were offered back in the day all still work. -The only thing I am lacking today is one that gave me a big set of envelope preset curves which I found quite useful, especially for ADSR synth-style programming. If you have all the serials, installer downloads, and have authorized everything, all those versions should still work, but as mentioned above, perhaps you have an issue with MS VC++ install versioning, or just a bad unrelated project glitch, as it all seems to work nominally with current versions of CbB for most of us. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
User 905133 Posted July 14, 2023 Share Posted July 14, 2023 1 hour ago, Steev said: Doesn't crash at the "same point in the song"? Waitaminutenow.. Sounds like Rapture is in fact installed & running. 🤔 I don't think your problem is with Rapture, I'm thinking you're running out of computer resources, (CPU, buss, system memory) and mayhap you are trying to run a DAW project your computer can't handle? Nope; not those issues. When I get some time, I will try to track it down. It works without incident on older PCs with less resources. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steev Posted July 14, 2023 Share Posted July 14, 2023 31 minutes ago, User 905133 said: Nope; not those issues. When I get some time, I will try to track it down. It works without incident on older PCs with less resources. OK User 905133 (if that's even your real name), but did you CHECK to make SURE it's none of those issues or just assuming it isn't because Rapture ran fine on your Windows 98SE laptop? (Assuming you were even born yet?) I've been using Rapture since it came out somewhere around 30 years ago before Cakewalk could even record audio reliably on an Intel P3 powered Dell laptop and never had issues with it. And EVERYTHING I've ever purchased from Cakewalk with the exceptions of the original DOS and Pro Audio versions (since 12 Tones Corp. sold Cakewalk to Roland Corp.) But everything from SONAR 1 to date is listed for download with activation codes for older software released before automatic internet registration, and S/N's. Back in the days before automatic internet registration, users could install Rapture on as many computers as we wanted, and 12 Tones and Roland trusted us not to share the act codes and SN's that were printed on the boxed set it with other users. And when we registered our software by either snail mail or internet we used to "promise" them we wouldn't in the finer print of the users contract. Emphasis on "USER", because we don't actually "OWN" the software, we only own the "right" to use it. Only ONE PERSON can register the activation codes and serial numbers in their name and account. Soooo...... Apparently you are a VERY BUSY guy...... Or Girl...... But.....When ya get some time... Mayhap you should try to track down who registered Rapture and ask him or her if they will download a copy for ya? 😉 Rapture itself doesn't need use a lot of resources, but it can send a tsunami stream of MIDI note/PC/CC messages thru the buss, and depending on how many other synths, audio plugins, and tracks are running, just may be the straw that breaks the DAW's back? Does any CPU core on Cakewalk's Performance Meter spike out & or HD or memory meter glow red when it happens? Or maybe it's Window's Updates or any other virus protection updates uploading in the background, hogging cashe & RAM waiting for you to "Restart". It really doesn't matter how much computer resources you have on hand if something related or not is hogging any one of them in the background, something is gonna glitch and go sideways. And as JnTuneTech pointed out above cause "just a bad unrelated project glitch." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
User 905133 Posted July 14, 2023 Share Posted July 14, 2023 (edited) ok Edited July 15, 2023 by User 905133 edited Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steev Posted July 15, 2023 Share Posted July 15, 2023 Where would we be without a sense of humor? Well I for one would prolly get in less trouble with those that don't, but what's the fun in that?😆 But on a serious note, I know little to nothing about CCC as I had problems with it years ago straight outta the box from the get-go. I don't like these automatic install and update one size fits all apps. 2sd thing I didn't like is how filled up my HD space with multiple installation versions of software without cleaning up after itself. Bandlab updater does the sme thing. It leaves all older versions of CbB in the folder and just stacks and the latest version on top. I am a fan of storing installation files on very easily accessible library of DVD's and now since they've become so inexpensive, even easier accessibility of dedicated storage SSD's so I don't have to go log in and find and wrestle to download them from the internet. I had a real bitch of a time with an automatic iZotope assisted install of Ozone 10 that seemed to go sour. The installer said it was successful, TWICE but Sound Forge Pro which usually picks up on any new FX added right away when it starts didn't see it, nor could find it after a manual scan. Most times I can figure these problems out myself, but not this time, because I couldn't even FIND Ozone 10 anywhere it should be in Program Files. So after running out of ideas and patience I opted for iZotope's support which resulted in more impatience after about 1/2 hour to 45 min. of reading thru pages and pages of menu's of FAQ's I opted out for tech support via chat, which turned out to be Chat-AI so it took me another 10 min or so to get it to send me email linking me to live chat at it's earliest convenience. Which do to an overwhelming high volume of disgruntled Ozone users, took about a week to COMMUNICATE WITH a HUMAN.. Who, after about one minute said; Oh, Ozone 10 isn't a standalone app anymore, it's no longer in any iZoptope folder in "Program Files", now it's listed in the "Windows Common Users" folder as a VST3 plugin. 🤯 Gee, why didn't Sound Forge Pro or I think of looking there? How come iZotope's Chat AI didn't think of mentioning it after I specfically typed in "WHERE THE FAQ IS OZONE 10 INSTALLED ON MY FAQ'IN WINDOWS PRO 10 FAQ'IN COMPUTER??? 👿😒😡🤮 Well the Chat AI didn't see the humor in that, and so it just replied with a "Goodbye", but the human though it was hilarious and immediately gave me a link to download Ozone 10 for my library collection(s) so I'll never have to go back and bitchslap the FAQ'in Wits out of iZotope's Chat-AI again. Which is really OK by me because it really isn't as fun as it may have seemed here. And as far as Ozone 10's new AI assisted auto mastering tech is concerned, I don't see and hear where it's markedly better or superior to Ozone 9's auto mastering assistant to warrant the price of upgrading. It's like comparing apple's to oranges. They BOTH do a very good job of getting you over the finish line, but there's always room for the improvements and polishing of a human touch. 👌 There are a plethora of things that can cause project glitches caused by both or either hardware, software. And being we all have different computers with different CPU's, memory, software, hardware, and configurations can really gum up the process of giving and asking for advice. All we could really do in that respect here is brainstorm ideas to try to give possible solutions that no one in the thread mentioned that could "generally" cause the problem(s). No answer or solution is ever carved in stone, and when approaching troubleshooting breath in, breath out, clear the brain pan and never start by LOOK FOR ANY ONE SPECIFIC PROBLEM or EVER ASSUME or BELIEVE ANYTHING IS THE PROBLEM until you dive in with research, pen & note pad, and all tools needed to for proceeding in logical steps & don't stop trouble shooting until you stumble upon empirical proof that you NAILED IT!👍 First easy solution, If you have and are using your favorite most beloved "MIDI Keyboard Controller", especially one with any type of "easy auto mapping software" unplug it's USB cable and see if that solves your glitch. If it does, then you most likely need a software and or Firmware update for your keyboard controller. If you already have the latest versions and the manufacturer dropped support for it 5-10 years ago don't use it, use Cakewalk's ACT instead, and to avoid serious conflicts and weird stuff from happening DON'T EVER try to use BOTH in the same project at the same time. As much as I love my Novation Impulse 61 Keyboard Controller I loath Novation's AutoMap, which has unexpectedly all on it's own reconfigured my MIDI Device Settings order in Cakewalk more than once placing itself at the top of this list and knocking out fader and knob DAW controls my Behringer X Touch.. when Cakewalk revamped and refined Mackie MCU DAW Controller "protocol". It has resigned knobs I manually mapped for Waves, Focusrite, and Universal Audio FX plugins. Thank God I learned decades ago when this weird stuff started happening with my Edirol PCR 500 keyboard controller to store & back up my MIDI Maps in a special folder location(s) in Documents instead of just the DAW. And it's not just Novation and Edirol MIDI Controllers, in fact I've had WORSE problems with the M-Audio Oxygen I replaced the outdated PCR. Novation has been by far the best, the most expensive, advanced machine learning and smartest auto map for Reason, but it still makes mistakes and decisions I don't love at all, and that's why it shall forever be disabled in Cakewalk. Second FREEZE ALL other MIDI synths running in the project that you aren't working on and MUTE all their associated MIDI channels. Third, make sure the Rapture's MIDI track "Input" channel is selected to NONE and "Echo Input" button is OFF. If any of that solves your problem freeze the Rapture before unfreezing any other MIDI SYNTH to make any further edits or adjustments and have a nice day and happy recording session. Being Rapture is playing up to a certain point on the timeline before it craps out is a good "indication" the problem isn't Rapture, but with MIDI communications in 2 basic formats "Format O" has a parameter spec ranging from 0-127 and "Format 1" has a range from 1-128. SO... IF the MIDI TRACK was sequenced and imported from another synth and or DAW..... It is "possible" that simply changing the format of the MIDI track playing the Rapture could be the solution. Not all MIDI synths share and or respond in the same language, parameter values, and codes when it comes to PC (program changes) control the sound of the Voice or Patch, CC (control changes) determine how the synth reacts in terms of volume, velocity, modulation, oscillation, and FX effect and timing, specifically "Defined" as RPN's (registered parameter numbers) typically used by all MIDI synths, and NRPN's ( non-registered parameter numbers) written & defined by the manufacturer for the specific synth. If you like to use multiple synths from multiple vendors always assign them to their respective MIDI CHANNELS 1-16 and avoid using "omni" inputs. So IF YOU OR KNOW WHO played/performed the Rapture track in this Cakewalk project with the Rapture, then you don't need to worry about any of that stuff. But if you originally used a different synth or somebody else's prerecorded/sequenced MIDI track you do. Most of the time, the synth will ignore any PC or CC parameter message it doesn't understand, but not always, especially when the PC or CC parameter numbers are assigned to different tasks or functions. And the only way to know what they are or do is to have the "MIDI Implementation Charts" for the specific synths. All MIDI communications and commands can be found by opening Cakewalk's "MIDI Event List" Window for any track. Have your Rapture MIDI implementation chart handy, scroll out on the timeline to where the problem occurs, and you should easily find a PC or CC message error should you have one. OR do the easiest lazy man's thang and SCRAP THIS TURD and start from scratch. And hope it doesn't happen again. ✌ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
User 905133 Posted July 17, 2023 Share Posted July 17, 2023 (edited) On 7/13/2023 at 5:10 PM, JohnnyV said: I have Rapture. It was in CCC. . . . On 7/13/2023 at 7:18 PM, User 905133 said: Interesting that you have it in the CCC. Maybe I got it before the CCC was in effect? Or maybe mine isn't there because I got it as an upgrade? Maybe tomorrow I will try to uninstall and reinstall so it doesn't crash at the same point in the song. Based on the image above (thanks, @JohnnyV) and some posts at another website it seems that Rapture version 1.2.2.10 is the version that was posted to CCC. Quote The original Rapture is now a connected product in the Cakewalk Command Center, version 1.2.2.10, so that is probably the best way to install it. Quote Rapture is now supported by Cakewalk Center, and you don't need to download and install any version prior to the last one. You should download and install Cakewalk Command Center and go from there. I will try the process described here to see if version 1.2.2.10 can be added to my account since I would prefer to use an official channel to get a copy of the software. UPDATE: That process leads to a dead end: Quote Under Construction We're sorry, this part of our website is currently undergoing maintenance. We apologize for the inconvenience. Please try back again later. UPDATE: I used e-mail directly instead of the link on the website FWIW: The project file repeatedly works without fail when I replace the synth with other software synths (Edirol VSC, DimPro, MSF, various newer synths from companies like IK and Arturia, etc.). When I replace any of those with Rapture 1.2.2.7, it again crashes. I have used other problem-solving strategies. Edited July 17, 2023 by User 905133 to add another update; to add an update to the issue Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sjoens Posted July 17, 2023 Share Posted July 17, 2023 (edited) This is always fun. Like Johnny, when I run or reinstall CCC it thinks I have no internet connection, even when run as admin, so it needs to be downloaded and installed again. It's available at the top of the old web page under Support > Download Command Center. My old account page shows 2 instances of Rapture 1.22 with different serials & reg numbers. When I click on either one they both point to the newer one and say Rapture 1.22 "No downloads are available for this product". CCC lists the older one which is available. ??? Cakewalk version #s are sometimes misleading. I have Rapture v1.2.2.9 copyright 2010. After installing "Current Version 1.2.2.10" the dlls still report 1.2.2.9 copyright 2010. The installation file is 1.2.2.1. Dimension plays the same game... "Current Version 1.5.5.16" is actually 1.5.5.11. Account page: (some products are no longer available or give an ERROR message) Sonar X1 = Available Sonar X2 = ERROR Sonar X3 = ERROR Sonar Platinum = ERROR CCC: Sonar X1 = not listed Sonar X2 = not listed Sonar X3 = not listed Sonar Platinum = Available Z3TA+ 2 Demo = Available Rapture Pro Demo = Available (install repeats "out of resources" but does install) Edited July 18, 2023 by sjoens Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sjoens Posted July 17, 2023 Share Posted July 17, 2023 Another oddity? Johnny's CCC shows Melodyne 2 Essentials which I also had but there's no Melodyne at all in CCC. However, my 1st version 1.0.0.7 is listed on my account page. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scook Posted July 18, 2023 Share Posted July 18, 2023 The Melodyne differences are likely due to when the licenses were issued. Free upgrades to Melodyne 2 Essential came directly from Celemony for licensed v1 users. This includes SONAR X3 users. After Melodyne 2 was released, new SONAR purchases and upgrades from products that did not contain a Melodyne license got the new version in their Cakewalk accounts. All the rest of the account errors are network foo due to recent server name changes Hopefully someday Bandlab will sort it all out Pretty sure support@cakewalk.com are aware of the problem. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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