telecode 101 Posted May 20, 2021 Share Posted May 20, 2021 (edited) Hi, if anyone out there happen to have pickup those AAS VA-3 player presets a while ago. If you have Cinémathèque or Starlight. can you try Bistro preset? I am curious if you hear strange high pitched frequencies in the pads? I was working on something a while ago and used a few of this AAS presets in tracks. Now when I re-opened the projects to work on them some more, I hear these odd frequencies I could have sworn I never heard or would have used those presets. I also notice on some tracks, I think the inserted plugin lost it's settings as it reverted to the first patch in the list of patches that is listed in AAS player. Just wondering if others have same issue? I wonder if its related to the AAS update/patching? Edited May 20, 2021 by telecode 101 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paulo Posted May 20, 2021 Share Posted May 20, 2021 Well whatta d'ya know -I have some sounds that I didn't even know I had - forgot all about AAS player. Anyhoo, FWIW the closest I can find to "Bistro" in Cinémathèque is "Bistre" and I'm not really hearing any difference between that patch in the player or in VA3 itself. Yes there are some highish frequencies but everything sounds like it was meant to be there. Holding down a chord a string sort of sound comes in after a while and then goes again and does not return until further keys are pressed, which I just put down to it being an evolving type pad. Is that what you mean? I don't have Starlight and can't find anything close to that patch name in the swatches section of AAS player, so can't help you there. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
telecode 101 Posted May 20, 2021 Author Share Posted May 20, 2021 Thanks. Damn.. I should have bought VA3 on sale. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Starship Krupa Posted May 21, 2021 Share Posted May 21, 2021 I'll check it out, as I am a big user of A|A|S Player and have both Cinémathèque and Starlight. My ability to detect high pitched frequencies ain't what it usedta be. One thing: with the update of Chromophone and VA to v.3, A|A|S "remastered" their soundpacks to make use of the new features, and the new versions sound different. So if you've updated your Player and soundpacks, it's possible that Bistro/Bistre was remastered in some way that is causing the sounds you hear. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Starship Krupa Posted May 21, 2021 Share Posted May 21, 2021 I tried it, and, yes, I think I hear what you're talking about. If I really hammer a chord, about 2 seconds in, there's an organ sound that comes in. It's a pretty shrill patch anyway, but this organ sound is grating if I get anywhere above middle C. The organ sound doesn't come in if I don't hit it with as much velocity. I'm with you, I don't think I'd have a use for something as ice-picky as this. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
abacab Posted May 21, 2021 Share Posted May 21, 2021 (edited) With VA-3 , not the player, here's the spectrogram I get if I hold a C2 note on preset VA-3 Cinematheque- Bistre. This is using iZotope Insight as an insert on the channel with VA-3. I don't hear any high frequencies, nor does the spectrogram indicate any. Edited May 21, 2021 by abacab Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
abacab Posted May 21, 2021 Share Posted May 21, 2021 (edited) And here is a follow-up spectrogram capture of the same preset, playing the same C2 note with the AAS Player. Not the same! Edited May 21, 2021 by abacab Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
abacab Posted May 21, 2021 Share Posted May 21, 2021 Bottom line, I think you should apply some EQ to the player version. It appears to be missing from this preset, at least. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
User 905133 Posted May 21, 2021 Share Posted May 21, 2021 (edited) My hearing doesn't go up to 3K any more and when I listened to Bistre the other day I heard what for me were high frequencies that really clashed horribly with my tinnitus. Thanks for the Spectrogram--it supports what I have been sensing for 2-3 years or so that frequencies in the 1K to 2K range hurt my ears. It could be that the patches were re-mastered as Starship Krupa mentioned, or if the frequencies in the upper range are more pronounced, maybe its a hearing issue. Quickie snapshot: PS: Visually I am seeing resonance sweeps in the 4K to approx. 16K range. If you have SPAN, it might be worth a try. PPS: My hand-drawn arrow represents where I saw the resonance sweeping. I heard some of that in the 2K to 4K range, but I don't doubt that its going on in the highest range, too. FYI: The 1st screen shot is an octave above the second screen shot. (In case you were wondering about the fundamental difference.) Edited May 22, 2021 by User 905133 to add an image (SPAN by Voxengo); to fix typo (Bistro -> Bistre) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Starship Krupa Posted May 22, 2021 Share Posted May 22, 2021 I'll pile on with more Bistre-bashing and concur with 905. I ran it through MAnalyzer and there's a spike that comes up at 5K and then climbs up to about 10K before repeating its screeching journey. Fascinating that the same patch would sound fine in the synth but not in its playback-only brother. Makes me wonder if the Player playback engine has a bug that causes it to miss a filter or EQ setting. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
telecode 101 Posted May 22, 2021 Author Share Posted May 22, 2021 Thanks all the the clarification and testing. I think the lesson learnt is I need to get VA 3 if I want to use AAS in projects. I do like the AAS products and the sounds. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
abacab Posted May 22, 2021 Share Posted May 22, 2021 Or just learn how to use EQ to roll off the high end on your tracks. That would be a good practice in general to keep unwanted frequencies out of your mix. If you are using CbB, it has a nifty Quadcurve EQ in the Pro Channel (with large fly-out view), where you can easily adjust the slope and frequency of the LP. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
abacab Posted May 22, 2021 Share Posted May 22, 2021 @User 905133Just a sidebar comment here, but every time I see your user name, the album by Yes '90125' pops into my head, LOL. Just an association thing with numbers, I suppose. And that's not a bad memory, as I have always enjoyed Yes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
User 905133 Posted May 23, 2021 Share Posted May 23, 2021 (edited) 4 hours ago, abacab said: @User 905133Just a sidebar comment here, but every time I see your user name, the album by Yes '90125' pops into my head, LOL. Just an association thing with numbers, I suppose. And that's not a bad memory, as I have always enjoyed Yes. Just say :YES!: 😉 I never saw Yes live. The closest I came was Flash at a four-band $5.00 Concert at the Commack Arena that had Savoy Brown [headliner], Flash, Tower of Power, and Rory Gallagher. Super performances by all, but Tower of Power, relatively unknown at the time, blew me away. Edited May 23, 2021 by User 905133 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
telecode 101 Posted May 23, 2021 Author Share Posted May 23, 2021 (edited) Just say :YES!: 😉 I never saw Yes live. The closest I came was Flash at a four-band $5.00 Concert at the Commack Arena that had Savoy Brown [headliner], Flash, Tower of Power, and Rory Gallagher. Super performances by all, but Tower of Power, relatively unknown at the time, blew me away. I saw them live. It was very late in their career (few years ago) and not a good time. I think a low point for the band. Edited May 23, 2021 by telecode 101 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
57Gregy Posted May 23, 2021 Share Posted May 23, 2021 12 hours ago, User 905133 said: Just say :YES!: 😉 I never saw Yes live. The closest I came was Flash at a four-band $5.00 Concert at the Commack Arena that had Savoy Brown [headliner], Flash, Tower of Power, and Rory Gallagher. Super performances by all, but Tower of Power, relatively unknown at the time, blew me away. A side note: the current iteration of Flash features a guy I went to junior high school with, although I knew his brother better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
User 905133 Posted May 24, 2021 Share Posted May 24, 2021 On 5/20/2021 at 5:26 PM, telecode 101 said: Thanks. Damn.. I should have bought VA3 on sale. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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