Noel Borthwick

Jon sent you a link. The edge update service as I understand it is to keep the edge runtime up to date. This is a critical part of the edge runtime that needs to be periodically patched by MS to deal with malware and other exploits. Why it phones home to check for updates often I'm not sure about. Perhaps this is a question more suited to Microsoft. In any case its not trying to force install edge or anything like that. The edge webview redist requirement will go away in a future version of Windows 10 because Microsoft has indicated that its a temporary solution. At that time our installer won't need to install it anymore for Win10 that is.

I thought my reply clarified that were not installing anything that doesn't work on Win7 as per Microsofts documentation and our tests showed. We don't need to ask for permission to install libraries that are necessary for the function of our application. We don't test on machines that are tweaked to disable windows components and if things break due to that its not something to blame Cakewalk for. The link to a rollback installer is right in the first para of the main release notes.

We don't control what Microsoft installs within its redistributables. It uses components that are part of edge but its not the edge browser itself. . So if you don't like that I'm sorry there isn't anything we can do to solve that. If you want to keep using Win7 an unsupported OS by both Microsoft and Cakewalk, its your call. However we don't have the bandwidth to support it and you will almost surely have more problems going forward. That said there are plenty of other people running the last update even on Win7 with no such issues. This is incorrect. Webview is supported by Microsoft even on Windows 7. Windows 7, 8, 10 support Support for a consistent user experience across Windows 7, 8, and 10. >> CbB still crashes when it tries to load sample libraries that it loaded just fine prior to the update. What sample libraries? Is it crashing when loading a plugin? If so the crash site may not be in Cbb but in a plugin that has incompatibilities. As I said above save the crash dump and send a link. There are instructions in my sig to do this.

Please read my post above. Are you indeed running Win7? If not please follow the steps in my sig to capture a dump and send a link. If its hanging we can tell whats causing it normally.

Firstly were not installing edge so lets debunk that theory. Its a webview component that is REQUIRED by cakewalk to do single sign on to BandLab both for activation and future integration. It does work on Windows 7 and was tested by QA. WebView is not the same thing as Edge. We have clearly indicated many times that we don't actively support Win 7 any more and allow installation as a courtesy. The installer even tells you this! If you are still using Win7 and installing updates you can still revert to a the prior version if you have issues.

Fun fact: Back in 2000 Ron Kuper from Cakewalk had a proposal for a next generation audio driver specification for windows that was being worked on called WASABI. WASABI ultimately turned into the WDM KS spec that Microsoft released in 2000 finally allowing low latency access to audio. WASABI = WDM Advanced Streaming And Buffering Interface. I still have the archived messages from the mailing list! Its interesting that Microsoft called theirs WASAPI. Maybe someone there remembered the thread. We also had a heavily discussed plugin spec called GMPI (generalized music plugin interface). Its too bad it didn't get adopted since it was deeper than VST.

@John VereJust to clarify there is something that may have thrown off your loopback test making it look worse than it was for other driver modes. Only ASIO allows the DAW to know the roundtrip latency by querying the driver itself. (the ASIO reported latencies setting in driver settings) This latency offset is used to place recorded audio precisely on the timeline after you record audio. Cakewalk cannot automatically determine the adjustment value for other driver modes, however you can manually compute and enter this value yourself here by entering a manual offset. Also in theory there is nothing that prevents WDM (or WASAPI exclusive for that matter) from being one equivalent in performance to ASIO. The only difference being driver vendors don't put in the effort to make it work properly. On Mac OS ASIO is almost non existent because vendors just write a core audio driver. Not so on PC. PS: WASAPI is pronounced like he spoke it. Most developers don't spell it out. Same with ASIO.

Steinberg confirmed that the official update is available now. You can download it here.

@Simeon Amburgey Thanks can you confirm that their official update fixes the issue?

@chris williams can you send a link to your project? Dropout code 12 has nothing to do with the buffer size. Its caused by too buffers accumulating. We'll need a project file to reproduce this.

do have more than a few 32bit plugins.. There is a good chance that this is part of the cause of your instability. Most issues like this are caused by plugin instability. Stop using 32 bit plugins as far as possible. If the program hangs capture a dump file and send us a link and we can let you know the cause of the hang. Regarding the dropout make sure that you are running the latest version of Cbb since we fixed some spurious dropout messages. Instructions to capture a dump from a hung program are in my sig.

Please let us know if you isolate it to Ozone so we can follow up. Could it be a gainstaging issue?

CPU power should not be an issue at all with fast bounce irrespective of 64 bit, since the bounce speed is gated by the CPU power available. If there were clicks its likely one of the plugins introducing them. Perhaps you can try disabling the plugins one by one to try and find at what point the clicks stop.

Please do not report problems in this thread. Report issues in the main Cakewalk forums or directly to Cakewalk support.

No the Cakewalk sign in is a replacement for BA. We have all the functions internally to activate and update now, so once you sign in from Cakewalk you should not need to go back to BA.

Looks like you are not setting the active track correctly before pasting. A much easier way to do this operation now is to use the arranger to mark out the section you want to copy and then drag copy the section to the new point in time. It should take care of the rest.

Not presently

Likely because these are sidechainable plugins.

No it renews when it needs to which is when its in the grace period. But the auto renewal only applies if you have signed in from CbB. BandLab assistant wont do that for you.

Its not normal so worth investigating. If you can send a link to a small project that has this issue we can look into it. I doubt that it would even require sending the audio files.

You mean it wasn't caused by the latest cbb update? 😜

If you have a plugin in your project that has a lot of parameters and its notifying every parameter as a change it could add up quickly. What happens if you set the number of changes to 0 to make it only respect the number of minutes?

The bus pane stores destinations and the track pane stores sources. So if you solo a destination bus you are telling the engine to ignore all sources that do not route to that destination. If you think of routing that way then perhaps it will be more intuitive. If we mixed and matched solo between the track and bus pane I think many users could get confused. e.g. I have only Bus "A" soloed but why am I still seeing Bus "B" in my mix? In your use it seems like you are trying to solo sources but using the bus pane to achieve this. When you use aux tracks they are essentially the same as buses but since they are treated as sources they following the same soloing rules as other tracks. Hope this helps.

Yes

@Craig Reeves @jon sasor [cakewalk] and several others have already replied to your original post and suggested resolutions. We also received your recent ticket 488179 about quick grouping and will consider it for a future update. Thanks for that. Many if your issues are relatively minor workflow related teething pains rather than major defects. As such could you please retitle your post to something more appropriate like "Need assistance with AudioSnap" or something more appropriate, since as it stands it looks a bit like clickbait? Thanks in advance.