Terry Kelley

Subscription is continuous revenue. Think “Instant Ink.” It’s not bad idea if you can pull it off and it’s more acceptable to the newer generation. They also offer you fame (which Instant Ink doesn’t.)

Exactly like that!

The developers aren't responsible for telling us anything and I wouldn't ask them to say anything unless they specifically tell me BANDLAB told them to tell us something or eat hot lead. Then I can understand them not speaking up. But would you (generically) want to be in the middle of this mess? Not me Jack.

Buying time?

It's going to take a specific series of specific questions to clarify BL's long term intent with CbB. Bits and pieces aren't really clearing it up. But not through the developers - only via Bandlab directly (as the developers have told us time and time again.) Based on what we know so far, CbB will call home and at some unspecified date it will stop working. For now, it won't nag as much but it will check more often.

I'm sure we will get plenty of warning when they finally do announce they are killing CbB. I never thought they would do it abruptly and without warning.

What I have to do is move the time to somewhere different than what I want and then click too high or low from where I want and then paste. That puts the blob “somewhere” I can see it. Then I drag it into position Otherwise it either doesn’t paste it or pastes it on top of the blob I’ve copied. In the end, it acts nothing like what I expected or what the manual suggests.

I would expect them to be more explicit if that were the case. Only Bandlab knows what they want us to think.

It's not flat?

All of these sites prey on your ego and hopes of getting famous. You are paying them to string you along with the believe someone is going to all of the sudden offer you a lucrative recording contract (Get heard! Share your music! Colaborate!) but instead you get a steady stream of people offering to provide a large number of fake likes (promotion) for a "fee." Landr, SoundCloud, Bandlab, etc. are all the same. You pay for false hope. Yes, some do provide tools to get some songs produced (samples, loops, VSTs, etc.) and listeners can access your music but in the end it's just more come-ons to get money out of you. Cakewalk/Sonar being moved into that arena is borderline insulting and slimy. If you have good, solid tunes you can get them noticed by playing live and touring. Yes, it costs you money to start out but over time you will get some idea if there is a market for your product and the record producers will come to you. You're packing them in? Well, we have an offer ... Otherwise you are creating product that will just languish on the website. Yes, there have been a couple of instances where someone has been noticed on these sites and moved on to a successful career but your odds are next to zero and you will have just kept spending money. What many of us are asking is that the DAW be decoupled from this false hope so we can make music with a great tool either for ourselves or for others who can then decide how they want to pursue promotion. But don't make us subject to the continuous payment system that will not really do anything of value in the long run. We want the independence.

I’m feeling like Billy Sol Hargis.

If you want exposure, play live and go on the road.

Cakewalk for free? You can’t beat the offer. Cakewalk for a monthly fee? You can beat the offer.

Knowing Cakewalk actually speeds up learning a different one since you know what you are looking for. It took me less than two weeks to come up to 90% on a different DAW.

Reaper is very good although it can overwhelm the beginner. But if you already use Cakewalk the switch is pretty easy since you know what you are looking for. It took me two weeks to flip and learn to do 90% of what I needed and that rest just came over time. Then you can slowly slip into customization and go down that rabbit hole. Lol. Reaper works and works well. There is also a document that compares Cakewalk and Reaper processes and tool providing you a ton of “ah ha!” help. Alas, I still really like Cakewalk/Sonar but things change and change is inevitable.

Ethics is not the same altruism. My point stands. Most of us work for money to survive. In the case where you enjoy the work where you are willing to let some financial gain go by the wayside, that’s great. I’ve had a few positions where I couldn’t believe they were paying me to do something I enjoyed so much. But for most people and I mean most, we work to survive and if we didn’t have to, we wouldn’t. We would focus on what makes us happy since we have the money we need. Sorry, but I seriously doubt the Bandlab developers are doing it out of the kindness of their heart. That’s all we are taking about. I am in no way criticizing ANYBODY’s ethics. There are always exceptions to everything. As for CbB remaining free, BL was clear early on that CbB would cease at some point. It’s only a matter time since they will want to drive as many people as they can to paying.

Don’t stop at 72. Keep going.

I guess we could bribe the server manager. Or move on. There’s not enough of us to change their minds.

John, it’s time.

I would have continued with Sonar 8 but it doesn’t support VST3 and a couple of plugins only come in VST3.

If they aren’t in it for the money they are fools. And I'll bet that they wouldn’t be with Bandlab if they were independently wealthy or won the lottery. They like all of us would be … gone. But it played out as I suspected.

But they are still taught how to recognize certain medical conditions hence the anatomy and light physiology study. And we're on the Cakewalk forum ... Sorry for the diversion.

I don’t think Bandlab’s challenge will be keeping us old timers but pulling in people from other DAWs. I suspect most that bailed with the Gibson fiasco won’t return. They didn’t like it then and probably don’t like it now. But new people are born and might go with Sonar.

She’s a licensed male barber. Back when she got her license it was far harder to get that license. You still had to learn basic medical and anatomy. Later, they told her she could also get a cosmetology license with a few classes but cosmetologists couldn’t get a barbers license. And yes I was her model for practicing with a straightedge razor. God *****ing help me …

In my case she's a girl but that is funny!