pwal³ Posted April 5 Share Posted April 5 well, i tried but didn't find anything unexpected, or "everywhere"? i do recognise the simple beauty of other authorisation schemes (licence file or even no auth) but, y'know, take a deep breath Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrFigg Posted April 5 Share Posted April 5 12 minutes ago, pwal³ said: well, i tried but didn't find anything unexpected, or "everywhere"? i do recognise the simple beauty of other authorisation schemes (licence file or even no auth) but, y'know, take a deep breath Great. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Per Christian Frankplads Posted April 5 Share Posted April 5 3 hours ago, MrFigg said: IZotope yes. PA no. The PA authorization and installation is simple and good. iZotope and NI put crap everywhere on your hard drive. Everywhere!!!! A shame because I have a load of their stuff and like it. But it’s just not worth it. Just use symbolic links and put everything that takes up a lot of space on an external hard drive. Easy peasy once you've set it up. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrFigg Posted April 5 Share Posted April 5 (edited) 3 minutes ago, Per Christian Frankplads said: Just use symbolic links and put everything that takes up a lot of space on an external hard drive. Easy peasy once you've set it up. It's not the space which is the issue. It's the NI folders and files all over the place which are left even after installation and need to be removed manually. Some people don't like iLok. I don't like NI. That's pretty much the state of things on my end. Edited April 5 by MrFigg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pwal³ Posted April 5 Share Posted April 5 the folder spread is likely compliance with recent-ish windows security/changes 🤷♀️ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pwal³ Posted April 5 Share Posted April 5 what grinds my gears is clicking the "close" X on an app and it just goes to the system tray, sneaky, and not standard/windows-compliant 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kitekrazy Posted April 5 Share Posted April 5 4 hours ago, Per Christian Frankplads said: Just use symbolic links and put everything that takes up a lot of space on an external hard drive. Easy peasy once you've set it up. I've never had to do that with NI libraries. You can add folders in Kontakt. I've had them spread on 3 drives and no issues. This is where Kontakt rules. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kitekrazy Posted April 5 Share Posted April 5 3 hours ago, pwal³ said: what grinds my gears is clicking the "close" X on an app and it just goes to the system tray, sneaky, and not standard/windows-compliant UA does the same thing and no option to keep it from startup. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pwal³ Posted April 5 Share Posted April 5 2 minutes ago, kitekrazy said: UA does the same thing and no option to keep it from startup. msconfig is your friend Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kitekrazy Posted April 5 Share Posted April 5 4 hours ago, MrFigg said: It's not the space which is the issue. It's the NI folders and files all over the place which are left even after installation and need to be removed manually. Some people don't like iLok. I don't like NI. That's pretty much the state of things on my end. Such as? So far they delete those large libraries after installing which sucks since you have to archive after installed. The last think I want to do when replacing a drive is to download all of those large files and some ISPs warn you about downloading to much. I can reinstall all of my IK, VSL, non player Kontakt libraries without using the net. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kitekrazy Posted April 5 Share Posted April 5 1 minute ago, pwal³ said: msconfig is your friend Shouldn't have to do that. Most apps have that option not to start up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pwal³ Posted April 5 Share Posted April 5 4 minutes ago, kitekrazy said: Shouldn't have to do that. Most apps have that option not to start up. Agree, but it's there Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kitekrazy Posted April 5 Share Posted April 5 5 minutes ago, pwal³ said: Agree, but it's there Give MS some time and it wont. Look how they screwed up start menus. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Promidi Posted April 5 Share Posted April 5 2 hours ago, kitekrazy said: Give MS some time and it wont. Look how they screwed up start menus. True. That's why I could not install Open-Shell fast enough after installing Windows 10. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Starship Krupa Posted April 6 Author Share Posted April 6 10 hours ago, MrFigg said: Do a search for NI on your hard drive and see how many folders all over your hard drive you find their crap. My complaint about Native Access is that when it first installs, and whenever it updates, it installs and enables 3 different services that are only used to connect and configure Native Instruments hardware. So every time there's an update to Native Access, I have to open Windows' Services app, shut them all down and set them to disabled. Softube have also started installing and enabling their own "Softube Installer Helper," which I go in and set to manual and only start up when I'm installing Softube updates. How egotistical do you have to be to assume that it's okay to install a service that's to support products the user doesn't own and/or are only needed during product updates? I also leave Waves Local Server set to manual. That thing is a joke, all it does is enable the fancier preset browser that was kluged on a few years ago. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirean Posted April 6 Share Posted April 6 10 minutes ago, Starship Krupa said: My complaint about Native Access is that when it first installs, and whenever it updates, it installs and enables 3 different services that are only used to connect and configure Native Instruments hardware. Kinda hoping there would be a quick reference/thread/wiki-page with a list of all the unnecessary services. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pwal³ Posted April 6 Share Posted April 6 20 minutes ago, Starship Krupa said: enables 3 different services the only one i'm seeing is NTKDaemon.exe - -what are the others? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kitekrazy Posted April 6 Share Posted April 6 2 hours ago, pwal³ said: the only one i'm seeing is NTKDaemon.exe - -what are the others? That's the one they f'update the most. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kitekrazy Posted April 6 Share Posted April 6 BTW most of you should already have this if you have the latest release of Komplete. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirean Posted April 6 Share Posted April 6 3 hours ago, pwal³ said: the only one i'm seeing is NTKDaemon.exe - -what are the others? NIHardwareService NIHostIntegrationAgent 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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