lion.konfilt@gmail.com Posted May 5, 2023 Share Posted May 5, 2023 (edited) Может ли Cakewalk поддерживать 2 процессора xeon? Edited May 5, 2023 by lion.konfilt@gmail.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keni Posted May 5, 2023 Share Posted May 5, 2023 I don’t speak the language, but I’ve been running xeon machines here for years. My old DAW has dual xeon 6 core processors @3.06G total 12 cores My new DAW has a single xeon 12 core with dual threading. Cakewalk sees it as 24 "cores" Both continue to work very well with Cakewalk... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scook Posted May 5, 2023 Share Posted May 5, 2023 IIRC the CbB performance module with display up to 32 cores but the software itself will use all the cores the OS makes available. While not very common, there are reports of users with dual Xeon systems like the one @Keni mentioned. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lion.konfilt@gmail.com Posted May 5, 2023 Author Share Posted May 5, 2023 thank you! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill Phillips Posted May 8, 2023 Share Posted May 8, 2023 (edited) On 5/5/2023 at 5:08 PM, Keni said: I don’t speak the language, but I’ve been running xeon machines here for years. My old DAW has dual xeon 6 core processors @3.06G total 12 cores My new DAW has a single xeon 12 core with dual threading. Cakewalk sees it as 24 "cores" Both continue to work very well with Cakewalk... AFAIK, the xeon processors are considerably more expensive than the core processors. Do the xeon's out perform core i7 & i9 processors with Cakewalk? Edited May 8, 2023 by Bill Phillips Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keni Posted May 8, 2023 Share Posted May 8, 2023 12 minutes ago, Bill Phillips said: AFAIK, the xeon processors are considerably more expensive than the core processors. Do the xeon's out perform core i7 & i9 processors with Cakewalk? It seems so to me but I've not done any empirical testing. I always have a tone of resource headroom here so it's hard to know without such testing. This machine is a 2013 Mac Pro 6,1 (Trashcan) with 128GB RAM... I'm running Monterey on the Mac side which I never use and Windows 10 for my daily use as my DAW running Cakewalk by Bandlab! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill Phillips Posted May 8, 2023 Share Posted May 8, 2023 49 minutes ago, Keni said: It seems so to me but I've not done any empirical testing. I always have a tone of resource headroom here so it's hard to know without such testing. This machine is a 2013 Mac Pro 6,1 (Trashcan) with 128GB RAM... I'm running Monterey on the Mac side which I never use and Windows 10 for my daily use as my DAW running Cakewalk by Bandlab! Oh, your zeon processor is in a Mac. I was thinking it would be in a PC. Thanks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keni Posted May 8, 2023 Share Posted May 8, 2023 (edited) 39 minutes ago, Bill Phillips said: Oh, your zeon processor is in a Mac. I was thinking it would be in a PC. Thanks. Sorry... but it is the same processor and I run Windows 10 using Bootcamp as my native/default system. I get funny looks from developers but I have yet to find any issues in this matter. Other than limitations on migrating the partition and even that can be dealt with if really necessary. Unless I’m mistaken (which I often am) Bootcamp merely creates a virtual Bios on which Windows runs connecting to all peripherals directly. I've seen a few xeon pc's though they are rare but available if you look. Every bit as expensive as a mac. I believe they are often used for some heavy-purposed servers as well Edit: I should add that it’s now a thing of the past to run a mac this way since the company wide replacement of all Intel processors with their' m1/2/3 processors Edited May 8, 2023 by Keni 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bruno de Souza Lino Posted May 8, 2023 Share Posted May 8, 2023 What could be tested, if someone has a 32+ core CPU is if Cakewalk sets thread affinity correctly. That was an issue with Windows a few years ago and high core count cpus would perform slower. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glenn Stanton Posted May 8, 2023 Share Posted May 8, 2023 i think once you get beyond a certain number of cores and/or physical CPU, the Windows 10 etc start to get a bit weird. and if you're running a server type machine with mutiple Zeon CPU + NUMA channels and beyond, you might need to look at the Windows Server OS. i seem to recall someone a while ago had posted on a site about 6 18-core Zeon with 512GB RAM on a older server with Windows Server 2012 R2 OS and was running SONAR ok. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xoo Posted May 8, 2023 Share Posted May 8, 2023 According to MS, the kernels of home and server versions are the same: it's what they are licensed to support (eg. Max memory) and what else is included (eg. DNS service) that varies. Oh, and price 🙂 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keni Posted May 8, 2023 Share Posted May 8, 2023 29 minutes ago, Glenn Stanton said: i think once you get beyond a certain number of cores and/or physical CPU, the Windows 10 etc start to get a bit weird. and if you're running a server type machine with mutiple Zeon CPU + NUMA channels and beyond, you might need to look at the Windows Server OS. i seem to recall someone a while ago had posted on a site about 6 18-core Zeon with 512GB RAM on a older server with Windows Server 2012 R2 OS and was running SONAR ok. Whew! That’s some sweet power! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bruno de Souza Lino Posted May 9, 2023 Share Posted May 9, 2023 14 hours ago, Glenn Stanton said: i think once you get beyond a certain number of cores and/or physical CPU, the Windows 10 etc start to get a bit weird. and if you're running a server type machine with mutiple Zeon CPU + NUMA channels and beyond, you might need to look at the Windows Server OS. i seem to recall someone a while ago had posted on a site about 6 18-core Zeon with 512GB RAM on a older server with Windows Server 2012 R2 OS and was running SONAR ok. For the Threadripper 3990X (64-cores, 128-threads), there's Windows Pro for Workstations. I suppose Microsoft wasn't expecting consumer grade high core count cpus to hit the market so soon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glenn Stanton Posted May 9, 2023 Share Posted May 9, 2023 (edited) 47 minutes ago, Bruno de Souza Lino said: For the Threadripper 3990X (64-cores, 128-threads), there's Windows Pro for Workstations. I suppose Microsoft wasn't expecting consumer grade high core count cpus to hit the market so soon. weird given they tend to work closely with the CPU folks... Compare Windows 11 Business Editions | Microsoft https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/business/compare-windows-11 i think the difference with physical CPU vs single CPU - multiple CPU are complex multi-buss beasts to share IO, memory, scheduling etc. across physically separated sub-components. whereas, a single CPU with (say 64-cores 🙂 ) is still everything under one roof. so it's likely the consumer OS (which i believe is hamstrung restricted by the software deliberately...) should be able to use it. the next choke point is the RAM allocation per core. i think most times, 1GB / core is a bare minimum nowadays. probably best to have 4GB / core if you can afford it. Edited May 9, 2023 by Glenn Stanton Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bruno de Souza Lino Posted May 9, 2023 Share Posted May 9, 2023 Just now, Glenn Stanton said: weird given they tend to work closely with the CPU folks... i think the difference with physical CPU vs single CPU - multiple CPU are complex multi-buss beasts to share IO, memory, scheduling etc. across physically separated sub-components. whereas, a single CPU with (say 64-cores 🙂 ) is still everything under one roof. so it's likely the consumer OS (which i believe is hamstrung restricted by the software deliberately...) should be able to consume it. the next choke point is the RAM allocation per core. i think most times, 1GB / core is a bare minimum nowadays. probably best to have 4GB / core if you can afford it. It's important to note Intel had the PC and CPU market on stranglehold for 20+ years with their bribing schemes and such. AMD is the one pushing those high core count CPUs. If Intel was still on monopoly, you'd be using the same quad core CPUs forever with minor tweaks here and there. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keni Posted May 9, 2023 Share Posted May 9, 2023 49 minutes ago, Bruno de Souza Lino said: For the Threadripper 3990X (64-cores, 128-threads), there's Windows Pro for Workstations. I suppose Microsoft wasn't expecting consumer grade high core count cpus to hit the market so soon. Whew! Monster Machines! Wouldn't that be fun to DAW! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glenn Stanton Posted May 9, 2023 Share Posted May 9, 2023 (edited) 6 minutes ago, Bruno de Souza Lino said: It's important to note Intel had the PC and CPU market on stranglehold for 20+ years with their bribing schemes and such. actually since 1990 or so 30+ years 🙂 i can fondly remember my days consulting on Wall St and watching the Apple-Windows battles and the financial companies screaming at Intel, Apple, and Microsoft to stop being f**k-ups and make their products work. good to see they've kept up the traditions of bugs and hamstringing... Edited May 9, 2023 by Glenn Stanton Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bruno de Souza Lino Posted May 9, 2023 Share Posted May 9, 2023 1 minute ago, Keni said: Whew! Monster Machines! Wouldn't that be fun to DAW! If all else fails, you can always go the Epyc route. They're slowly pushing towards 128 cores. Their highest SKU atm has 96 cores/192 threads, but if you want more cores, you can get the 84 core version and run two of them on a dual socket board. Granted each CPU is over 10 grand... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xoo Posted May 9, 2023 Share Posted May 9, 2023 16 minutes ago, Keni said: Whew! Monster Machines! Wouldn't that be fun to DAW! Monster Cable would sue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keni Posted May 9, 2023 Share Posted May 9, 2023 1 hour ago, Bruno de Souza Lino said: If all else fails, you can always go the Epyc route. They're slowly pushing towards 128 cores. Their highest SKU atm has 96 cores/192 threads, but if you want more cores, you can get the 84 core version and run two of them on a dual socket board. Granted each CPU is over 10 grand... Ha! Wouldn't that be fun! I could finally start using Amplitube 5! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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