Terry Kelley

California is popular for a reason. It's worth it. But if you aren't from here it can be a problem. The lower humidity helps too but it still gets quite toasty.

Here in California we do 110 before breakfast. Where I live we hit 116 in the day and 60 at night. For me anything over 105 is too high to be in for very long. I can but it’s no fun. But 100+ is just a normal summer day.

Gentle Giant as the back-up band to Alvin Lee and Company in Fresno, CA - Warners Theater. Can't remember the exact year in the 70's. The crowd was mostly Alvin Lee fans. The concerted started with the crowd shouting for Alvin Lee during Gentle Giant's set. Gentle Giant's set ended with EVERYONE dancing in the isles and seats. A weird sight to behold. Gentle Giant owned the night. The Alvin Lee set started with everyone shouting for Gentle Giant to come back. We stayed for a bit but left mid-way through Alvin Lee's set as did many others. A lot of new fans that night. As a side note I did get to enjoy the crowd screaming to turn down the volume at a 1995 King Crimson concert in SF. We were about to leave in the middle when someone behind us saw that we had our fingers in our ears and handed us some ear plugs. That made it marginally bearable. In between songs, everyone was screaming to turn it down. They never did. I skipped any future King Crimson shows. Even Deep Purple was "quiet" compared to this. Totally unnecessary and irresponsible.

And they all moved away from him on the group W bench.

They already said no.

The developers know what they are doing and do it well. They also have many years experience doing it.

What doubt?

They’ve gave the clear answer of no. Will they change their mind? Maybe. But continuing to ask an answered question in the hope the world will change is futile. They don’t want to sell it. There isn’t enough of us to change their minds. They can live without us. Rent it or move on. Yes, I will continue to check to see if the decision does change but the more I’m away from it the less likely I’ll return. Well unless I shave some decades off my age, get into loop/sample/AI generated music and somehow Sonar is the bee’s-knees, the top dog, the most rad, an awesome, the most excellent tool … for that. And then Bandlab can get my music out there so I become famous.

Yeah, there are several things you can do while it’s playing but you don’t do while it’s playing.

I suspect it's related to the reorganization Jessie's been doing to add in Sonar.

Yeah, it's handy to have an editor a click away. I have CoolEdit2000 added in.

The prior Cakewalk users are not the primary market. They are appealing to the new loop/sample/beat generators, not musicians. Of course until new AI laws start to impact them.

I bought more coffee.

Sure, and everyone laughed when I suggested pitch-forks and torches. But noooooooooo ... Or was that too much. The website still says "Coming Soon" so anything can change including pricing. I mean, I can imagine reasons they wouldn't want to "sell it" yet when it's not "officially" (wink-wink) released. That could create unnecessary churn for the developers. But they also don’t want us to leave so CbB still works for now.

True but Reaper doesn’t also offer you fame like Bandlab. And if dad hasn’t come in here with a belt yet, he’s going too.

Subscription is continuous revenue. Think “Instant Ink.” It’s not bad idea if you can pull it off and it’s more acceptable to the newer generation. They also offer you fame (which Instant Ink doesn’t.)

Exactly like that!

The developers aren't responsible for telling us anything and I wouldn't ask them to say anything unless they specifically tell me BANDLAB told them to tell us something or eat hot lead. Then I can understand them not speaking up. But would you (generically) want to be in the middle of this mess? Not me Jack.

Buying time?

It's going to take a specific series of specific questions to clarify BL's long term intent with CbB. Bits and pieces aren't really clearing it up. But not through the developers - only via Bandlab directly (as the developers have told us time and time again.) Based on what we know so far, CbB will call home and at some unspecified date it will stop working. For now, it won't nag as much but it will check more often.

I'm sure we will get plenty of warning when they finally do announce they are killing CbB. I never thought they would do it abruptly and without warning.

What I have to do is move the time to somewhere different than what I want and then click too high or low from where I want and then paste. That puts the blob “somewhere” I can see it. Then I drag it into position Otherwise it either doesn’t paste it or pastes it on top of the blob I’ve copied. In the end, it acts nothing like what I expected or what the manual suggests.

I would expect them to be more explicit if that were the case. Only Bandlab knows what they want us to think.

It's not flat?

All of these sites prey on your ego and hopes of getting famous. You are paying them to string you along with the believe someone is going to all of the sudden offer you a lucrative recording contract (Get heard! Share your music! Colaborate!) but instead you get a steady stream of people offering to provide a large number of fake likes (promotion) for a "fee." Landr, SoundCloud, Bandlab, etc. are all the same. You pay for false hope. Yes, some do provide tools to get some songs produced (samples, loops, VSTs, etc.) and listeners can access your music but in the end it's just more come-ons to get money out of you. Cakewalk/Sonar being moved into that arena is borderline insulting and slimy. If you have good, solid tunes you can get them noticed by playing live and touring. Yes, it costs you money to start out but over time you will get some idea if there is a market for your product and the record producers will come to you. You're packing them in? Well, we have an offer ... Otherwise you are creating product that will just languish on the website. Yes, there have been a couple of instances where someone has been noticed on these sites and moved on to a successful career but your odds are next to zero and you will have just kept spending money. What many of us are asking is that the DAW be decoupled from this false hope so we can make music with a great tool either for ourselves or for others who can then decide how they want to pursue promotion. But don't make us subject to the continuous payment system that will not really do anything of value in the long run. We want the independence.