Terry Kelley

What I have to do is move the time to somewhere different than what I want and then click too high or low from where I want and then paste. That puts the blob “somewhere” I can see it. Then I drag it into position Otherwise it either doesn’t paste it or pastes it on top of the blob I’ve copied. In the end, it acts nothing like what I expected or what the manual suggests.

I would expect them to be more explicit if that were the case. Only Bandlab knows what they want us to think.

It's not flat?

All of these sites prey on your ego and hopes of getting famous. You are paying them to string you along with the believe someone is going to all of the sudden offer you a lucrative recording contract (Get heard! Share your music! Colaborate!) but instead you get a steady stream of people offering to provide a large number of fake likes (promotion) for a "fee." Landr, SoundCloud, Bandlab, etc. are all the same. You pay for false hope. Yes, some do provide tools to get some songs produced (samples, loops, VSTs, etc.) and listeners can access your music but in the end it's just more come-ons to get money out of you. Cakewalk/Sonar being moved into that arena is borderline insulting and slimy. If you have good, solid tunes you can get them noticed by playing live and touring. Yes, it costs you money to start out but over time you will get some idea if there is a market for your product and the record producers will come to you. You're packing them in? Well, we have an offer ... Otherwise you are creating product that will just languish on the website. Yes, there have been a couple of instances where someone has been noticed on these sites and moved on to a successful career but your odds are next to zero and you will have just kept spending money. What many of us are asking is that the DAW be decoupled from this false hope so we can make music with a great tool either for ourselves or for others who can then decide how they want to pursue promotion. But don't make us subject to the continuous payment system that will not really do anything of value in the long run. We want the independence.

I’m feeling like Billy Sol Hargis.

If you want exposure, play live and go on the road.

Cakewalk for free? You can’t beat the offer. Cakewalk for a monthly fee? You can beat the offer.

Knowing Cakewalk actually speeds up learning a different one since you know what you are looking for. It took me less than two weeks to come up to 90% on a different DAW.

Reaper is very good although it can overwhelm the beginner. But if you already use Cakewalk the switch is pretty easy since you know what you are looking for. It took me two weeks to flip and learn to do 90% of what I needed and that rest just came over time. Then you can slowly slip into customization and go down that rabbit hole. Lol. Reaper works and works well. There is also a document that compares Cakewalk and Reaper processes and tool providing you a ton of “ah ha!” help. Alas, I still really like Cakewalk/Sonar but things change and change is inevitable.

Ethics is not the same altruism. My point stands. Most of us work for money to survive. In the case where you enjoy the work where you are willing to let some financial gain go by the wayside, that’s great. I’ve had a few positions where I couldn’t believe they were paying me to do something I enjoyed so much. But for most people and I mean most, we work to survive and if we didn’t have to, we wouldn’t. We would focus on what makes us happy since we have the money we need. Sorry, but I seriously doubt the Bandlab developers are doing it out of the kindness of their heart. That’s all we are taking about. I am in no way criticizing ANYBODY’s ethics. There are always exceptions to everything. As for CbB remaining free, BL was clear early on that CbB would cease at some point. It’s only a matter time since they will want to drive as many people as they can to paying.

Don’t stop at 72. Keep going.

I guess we could bribe the server manager. Or move on. There’s not enough of us to change their minds.

John, it’s time.

I would have continued with Sonar 8 but it doesn’t support VST3 and a couple of plugins only come in VST3.

If they aren’t in it for the money they are fools. And I'll bet that they wouldn’t be with Bandlab if they were independently wealthy or won the lottery. They like all of us would be … gone. But it played out as I suspected.

But they are still taught how to recognize certain medical conditions hence the anatomy and light physiology study. And we're on the Cakewalk forum ... Sorry for the diversion.

I don’t think Bandlab’s challenge will be keeping us old timers but pulling in people from other DAWs. I suspect most that bailed with the Gibson fiasco won’t return. They didn’t like it then and probably don’t like it now. But new people are born and might go with Sonar.

She’s a licensed male barber. Back when she got her license it was far harder to get that license. You still had to learn basic medical and anatomy. Later, they told her she could also get a cosmetology license with a few classes but cosmetologists couldn’t get a barbers license. And yes I was her model for practicing with a straightedge razor. God *****ing help me …

In my case she's a girl but that is funny!

I married a hot barber (mic drop.)

Me too but after a year I chose to make my move. Someday they might tell us something different but if they said nothing, they still have a product available via subscription. We will see someday ... maybe.

I will rough mix in headphones but final mix at around 85db at 4ft from the monitors. I find it still sounds good a lower volumes but not always the opposite. I do like the suggestion to level balance in mono with no effects and realized I somewhat do that now but not specifically. I want to try that out. But I don't end with a headphone mix. It always sounds wrong on speakers be it home or car. And because of my room size I have to be very aware of the bass level and check it on other speakers. Standing waves are tricky. One last thing I do is when I think the mix is finished is to turn off all effects and start over with just them while leaving the levels alone. I find I often use less effect levels than when I started. What I call the Harrison Mixbus effect.

Don’t get me wrong. I too am disappointed with BL’s subscription only pricing and being tethered to their servers to work, but I can’t change it. It’s been made clear here on the forum that CbB will be disabled at some point. We weren’t promised free forever and few of us thought it would remain free. And nowhere has any of our bitching and moaning changed any of that. And lord knows I’ve done plenty of that here. Frankly, I am here only to see if they change those policies but I have already switched to another DAW that serves my needs as well as Cakewalk/Sonar. I could come back if it becomes something I want again. I guess I should reword that. I am here to see them finally confirm it will not be available outside of a subscription.

At my age they’d have to pay me.

I see no scenario where trying to bully or insult BL into submission is going to work. Sonar is here. If it doesn’t meet your needs there are alternatives.