Starship Krupa Posted February 17 Share Posted February 17 Absolutely fascinating article from The New York Times: Their Songs Were Stolen by Phantom Artists Not only is it interesting in and of itself, but I feel like the band in the article is kinda close to many of us. A couple of retired dudes who play music as a hobby, doing house parties and putting their stuff up on Soundcloud. Read the description of them and you'll probably agree that if it could happen to them, it could happen to anyone here. It's important reading for independent artists because it details the steps they went through to remedy the situation. There are some interesting twists to the story that I won't spoil, but I'm very interested to hear what y'all think of this. To check their music out in a legit way: https://soundcloud.com/davidpost-1/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
craigb Posted February 17 Share Posted February 17 Isn't this exactly what 53mph said happened to him? 🤔 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Starship Krupa Posted February 17 Author Share Posted February 17 22 minutes ago, craigb said: Isn't this exactly what 53mph said happened to him? 🤔 I don't remember that, I guess if I search the forum it will come up? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Starship Krupa Posted February 17 Author Share Posted February 17 Okay, I found it. Holy crap! It IS us, literally. I must read the whole thread.... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mettelus Posted February 17 Share Posted February 17 Yikes, "about $2 billion, is swiped annually"... pretty lucrative scam. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pwal³ Posted February 18 Share Posted February 18 "phantom artists", great name for a band 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mark skinner Posted February 18 Share Posted February 18 That was a hell of an article ! I've been wondering where all of my royalties have been going .. ms 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mark skinner Posted February 18 Share Posted February 18 I looked these guys up and watched their youtube live videos. These guys are an honest Americana Duo and very good. Believe it or not they are "still" on Soundcloud. Started following them. They've only got a few followers .. ms 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Starship Krupa Posted February 18 Author Share Posted February 18 The part of their saga that I liked was that both of the guys in the band are retired lawyers with specialties in copyright, and being retired, these guys will never let up. The people who ripped them off kicked the hornet's nest. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mark skinner Posted February 18 Share Posted February 18 ^^ Totally agree. They may have known that .. and this was a challenge they were willing to take to verify their expertise. Kinda reminds me of a guy who was recently in the news under house arrest for hacking. He was held in a motel until his trial. He used a smart tv in the room with a fire stick in it and hacked another well known corp. He said he'd Never stop. They're on a mission. ms Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grem Posted February 19 Share Posted February 19 (edited) On 2/17/2024 at 2:57 AM, Starship Krupa said: fascinating article from The New York Times: I can't read it. They want me to pay to read it. So I missed out. f the NYT. A3zwipes!! Edited February 19 by Grem 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grem Posted February 19 Share Posted February 19 This is what I see when I click the link to read the article: And when I try to scroll down the lower half of the page (with the payment options) comes up to block the article and gives me more options to pay and tells me about the fine print. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
craigb Posted February 19 Share Posted February 19 29 minutes ago, Grem said: I can't read it. They want me to pay to read it. So I missed out. f the NYT. A3zwipes!! Hackers will hack! 😁 I made a .pdf of the article for anyone without a subscription. Their Songs Were Stolen By Phantom Artists 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Starship Krupa Posted February 19 Author Share Posted February 19 1 hour ago, Grem said: I can't read it. They want me to pay to read it. So I missed out. Try this: https://dnyuz.com/2024/01/13/their-songs-were-stolen-by-phantom-artists-they-couldnt-get-them-back/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grem Posted February 19 Share Posted February 19 13 minutes ago, Starship Krupa said: Try this: That worked for me. Thank you very much. 44 minutes ago, craigb said: I made a .pdf of the article That's a nice job you did there!! Thank you too!! 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grem Posted February 20 Share Posted February 20 How can you tell if you have been ripped off? IS there an app that will search for you? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mettelus Posted February 20 Share Posted February 20 On 2/18/2024 at 5:57 PM, Starship Krupa said: The part of their saga that I liked was that both of the guys in the band are retired lawyers with specialties in copyright, and being retired, these guys will never let up. The people who ripped them off kicked the hornet's nest. Unfortunately, a lot of the bad actors collecting the money are not even within the realm of US prosecution (you can search for state-sponsored hackers making significantly more stealing crypto-currency). Just for fun I asked someone at the USPTO many years ago now, "How many copyright infringements do you have on file against China?" and got "Way more than I could count... it is a LOT." So of course I followed up with, "And now the punchline... what legal recourse do you have to prosecute them?" and I got the deer in the headlights look back. End of conversation. The streaming services are the enablers for the thefts (they can be gone after to a very limited extent), but they have already doled out funds they cannot recover and will fight tooth and nail not to pay twice or admit fault. Given the background of both of these guys they should have known that from the start, but they definitely know the uphill battle ahead. As much as people complain about Google data collection, realize there are similar services doing the same thing, with people on the back-end searching for ways to monetize what they are collecting. I have stated this before, but it is always worth repeating and something to keep in mind (and be sure your children understand this). Everything published to the internet is accessible to anyone in the world, is permanent public record, and may fall into the hands of people with skewed "moral compasses." 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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