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It wasn't as difficult to find as I thought it would be:

I remember a discussion of a similar issue probably within the past year (maybe 6 to 12 months ago). Is it safe to assume you are bringing this up so the developers will look for the same issue in Cakewalk Sonar and make sure its not there (and to fix it if it appears in Cakewalk Sonar)? If it would be helpful, I could try to find the thread I am remembering.

The whole episode as a playlist:

Glad it helps at least a little. Understanding how different software (hosts, such as DAWs, and plugins, such as VST Instruments) map midi commands (such as CCs) to the software's parameters can indeed be confusing in part because of the way each implements mapping. In fact, remote control / MIDI learning by clicking on a virtual control in a plugin's UI or using a plugin's parameter list and then moving a control on hardware is relatively new given the history of MIDI communication between hardware and software devices.

With a guarantee like that, I had to try it out in conjunction with a midi module I have started to work on for use in another program (a virtual modular synth). With a very quick test, it seems to work as intended so far. Thanks for sharing.

I guess it will just gave to remain an unsolved mystery. As the saying goes, "Mysteries Happen!!" 😉

If you have some approximate dates, maybe you could try (if you haven't already) the WayBackMachine [Internet Archives] for older captures of the Focusrite site that mention discontinuing or merging the Midnight Suite. UPDATE: I tried a Google search and immediately got some hits: https://fael-downloads-prod.focusrite.com/customer/prod/s3fs-public/downloads/focusritemidnightuserguideen0.pdf There's a review at KVR. Although the current link goes to the current site, it's presence suggests that at one time the link might have been to a page with the Midnight Suite at the time the review was posted. A 2010 YT video (SOS) suggests a date if you want to do a historical search. Maybe your email archives have an invoice that show where you got the Midnight Plugins?

It's officially a deal.

Does windows consistently pass on those kinds of details to software in an easy to use (and update) form?

See the full section under HOW DOES IMPACT LX25+ MAP FOR YOUR DAW? https://nektartech.com/impact-lx25-plus/ . It sounds to me (based on the Cakewalk tab) like they are describing the controller's ability to be used as a Control Surface to control the Cakewalk User Interface. It looks like you can also use the Nektars in conjunction with MIDI Learn. Hope this helps.

https://nektartech.com/midi-communication-issues/ Some people think midi-ox is too complicated for beginners, but I think you could use it so see what CCs each of the controls output by default. You could also record them in a midi track in Cakewalk and look at the Event View. I would look at any software utility tools the hardware uses to see if the defaults can be changed. (Not sure if they can; I don't have any Nektars.) Its called mapping. You can map controllers CCs (default or changeable if that's allowed). Nowadays software synths often allow CCs to be assigned to different parameters / functions. FYI: https://nektartech.com/cakewalk-setup-and-troubleshooting-impact/ (might or might not be helpful at this point.) Found that ^^^ while looking for a MIDI Implementation Guide.

Yes. 😉

In short (JMO), (1a) yes, it's a step back for people that have only used the free version (that is, from when Bandlab resurrected it about 5 years ago) and who only use free software; (1b) yes and no, it's both a step back and a step forward for long-time users who paid for versions of Cakewalk / SONAR when it was a paid version and have come to understand that paying for it again has a number of benefits. JMO, (2) You should worry about about it in the privacy of your own music-making workspace so as not to risk bringing up the issues that have already been discussed to death. 😉

Please understand, people who read the forum on a regular (and even an occasional basis) have seen numerous "discussions" of the previously announced plans for Cakewalk Next (now available as a public beta so people can try it out and give helpful feedback to the Cakewalk Next Team) and Cakewalk Sonar. Unfortunately, while some of those threads had useful discussion early on, some (many? most?) devolved into all sorts of speculation, rants about what the the pricing "should" be, etc. I am guessing you have not read previous threads. You are not to blame since several are multi-page threads. So, if you see laugh emojis, IMO it's not personal. It's more like, "Oh no; here we go again!!! LOLOL" and jokes / allusions along those lines.

I agree; I often use the other view toggle shortcuts. Very handy. BTW, one of the features of the short floating control bar I stumbled onto when I first set it up is efficient use of the mouse wheel to scroll through the collapsed modules (the ones with vertical names to save space) which open when the mouse cursor reaches it. Also, when the CB is in the upper half of the monitor (either 1 or 2), the collapsed modules self-expand downward. When the CB is in the lower half, they self-expand upward. C still works as a toggle if I need to see what's underneath, and I can always widen the CB whenever I want by grabbing either the left or right edge and sliding it. Not saying this would fit everyone's workflow. Just mentioning it as part of the flexible options we have with CbB's CB.

Not for me. I like the transport visible 100% of the time.

I am not sure this is clear. Are you asking for multiple sets of 10 screensets in each project?

To clarify, I float an expanded control bar that has some maximized modules and some collapsed modules. What you show is a floating collapsed control bar.

Several years ago I had some issues with individual module settings I had and a collapsed toolbar. Ultimately, I decided to use a small, floating toolbar. Not sure if that will meet your needs, but I did want to acknowledge that there can be some anomalies and at the same time suggest a different space saving option. JMO: We can drive ourselves crazy trying all the combinations/permutations to get it "perfect." BTW, I just played around with a couple of the settings in F11/Full Screen Mode (which I never use), especially center and justify, and was able to configure my collapsed toolbar to have some of the modules auto-expand off centered and/or partially off the screen. Maybe Cakewalk Sonar won't have so many customizable toolbar settings to mess with, but if it does maybe the new system of graphics will be able to adjust for all of the possible display devices (and the drivers, monitor settings, etc.) Cakewalk users have (and will have in the future).

I still have the previous Product Manager, but the problem I described a few weeks ago seems to have changed for the better. So, I am no longer showing that sound content needs to be updated. I do have a number of buttons for Sound Content that needs to be installed (or reinstalled) instead of being updated. The good news is there is nothing that says the Sound Content has expired. 🙂

Thanks for bringing the good news.

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