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Thanks very much for this awesome tip Scook!

Not sure if this can be done already but this would be a handy feature. I put song lyrics in the markers area across my song and it would be handy to be able to export them to a text file. ?

Hello Mark, thanks again for the comment. I also remember the days of SMPTE time code on an 8 track Fostex reel to reel. And before then working on a Commodore 64 with Mastertracks till Cakewalk for MSDOS came along. My music productions sucked back then. lol I tend to think this can be done without modifying the ARA standard. If a Melodyne/Cakewalk "track" can be muted and stay silent while other tracks are recorded then the same characteristics need to be applied to takes containing Melodyne. Cakewalk needs to allow not only takes within tracks but also tracks within tracks. There is a logistical way this could be remedied. And how are other DAWS dealing with this issue? If the ARA standard is universal that is all the more reason to have the ARA standard "improved/modified". Other DAWS must be suffering from the same problem then. I still haven't figured out how to duplicate a track folder yet, rather, I have not experimented with that yet.. Moving a Melodyne segment to another track and muting that track seems to be the solution now, duplicating a Melodyne track might confuse Melodyne uncertain of the outcome. I am not sure why Cakewalk can't move these segments to another track for us while muting that secondary track. The main problem is muting Melodyne so it is not heard during the record process. If that can be achieved then that would be very helpful. During record it visually mutes the overlapping Melodyne take but Melodyne it is still heard. It already mutes the Melodyne section during playback just not during the record process. If the Melodyne section can be muted during playback why would it not be possible to mute it during record? There has got to be a way of routing Melodyne away from outputs during record.

Thanks for your reply Mark MoreThan-Shaw, You seem to have omitted a step between 7 and 8. Yes, you track, comp and add Melodyne and if part of the Melodyne track is not right after all of that, be it a single sibilance, syllable, word phrase or line, you repeat the process for that purpose. If Cakewalk can mute a track with Melodyne in it it should be able to mute a segment of a track when record is punched in. It would need to trick Melodyne by temporarily using a second track to record the segment and then using an automatic script place it into the track replacing the take or muting the take. If it can be done manually then that process can be automated. A toggle would decide if the take mutes Melodyne and other unmuted takes. The take mute function when Melodyne is present needs to be on a track level not a take level. All take mutes could theoretically be on a track level. Melodyne clips do not sound when the track is muted and one is recording in another track. So this should be possible to do. Workflows would be nice if they idealistically only flowed in one direction but the reality is if you want your song to be right you have to sometimes often go back and repeat certain steps. Just like mixes, if the mix is not right you can master it anyway and release sub-par music or insist the mix be fixed... I personally prefer the latter.

I just got another update, still no fix yet...

I was so excited to read that the soloing aspect of Cakewalk got some work done only to find that the only problem I have with soloing tracks did not get fixed. I never freeze or bounce Melodyne tracks, I just leave them with Melodyne on them. I put Melodyne on the entire vocal track and a number of other tracks too. A really big problem is when tracking with a Melodyne take in a track. When I want to redo a vocal phrase in the Melodyne take, the way things should work is, I arm the track and hit "r" it should mute the Melodyne take while/where I am recording the new take. Instead, it plays both takes, the take I am recording and the Melodyne take are both heard. When I mute the Melodyne take it does not mute, it just keeps sounding during the record segment. If I comp and isolate the Melodyne clip I want to replace right click and mute that section of the Melodyne clip, it still plays while Cakewalk is recording... The only way to get the Melodyne clip/take to mute is delete it or move it to another track and mute that track. This is a really convoluted way to have to do this. When a Melodyne take clip is muted it should not be heard during record. When a Melodyne take is not muted but only a comped segment of the Melodyne take is muted it should not be audible while recording in that track. Currently Melodyne clips are audible "during record" no matter how you try and silence them. I hope this can get fixed soon, it is a humble request of mine. Thank you. ? A side note: My guess is that Melodyne has a phantom copy of the track it holds in its memory. When you mute the Melodyne track it unmutes the phantom copy. V-Vocal used to do this also, it always had a muted copy accompanying each clip. If you muted the clip it unmuted the muted clip under it. I'm not sure if this is right but it is just a thought.

Many thanks GaryBrun! ?

It just magically started working. I deleted the video content I had loaded into cakewalk. Saved my project as a new file and moved a few tracks around and suddenly it was working.

New song for you awesome Cakewalk peeps! Hope you like! ?

Okay just found another new loop back section but this does not fix the problem either. I am assuming this feature is now broken. Is there a way to roll back to a previous version of Cakewalk?

Wow, thanks Andy for the really awesome comment on this song! Yes, many of the vocal lines were way out of my range and I was worried I might hurt something up there in my head trying to reach them. It was a steam of consciousness kind of creation process that produced this song, normally I map thing out more. Much appreciated feedback buddy! ?

Normally I just select an area and put loop on and when I record it loops back and mutes the previous take, instead it is playing the previous take rather than muting it and I have comping selected. Any help fixing this would be great. Thanks :)

Thanks Jack and Antler for the really nice comments! Thanks Jack for the compliment on my voice, much appreciated buddy!!!! Antler, those are FM bells from Native Instruments FM8 synth. I find FM bells to be the nicest in general how they cut through music and have a really nice lead voice quality and wonderful transparency. Best to you Cakewalk peeps and thanks for the hearts! Lots of love!

Hey Cakewalk peeps! Here is a new song. Hope you like it! Lots of love, Red

I am really pleased with this interface! The great A to D conversion quality and the Total Mix flexibility makes this package second to none... I could not be any happier with this purchase!

Please disregard that last post, I have solved that issue also or rather, Cakewalk solved it. (I think) It seems the mic is only sent to the master if echo is turned on... (problem solved) This completes the entire chain for me. This thread is officially, "SOLVED"... Thanks Cakewalk peeps! Best to you, your help was awesome! I hope this thread helps others seeking the same solutions.

Okay, at last I have figured it out! RME does indeed let me sent a mic out of the outputs and I don't even need loop back engaged. It also lets me send Cakewalk out of its own outputs on the back separate from the mic outputs. Well I have the mic in a direct split in TotalMix. Cakewalk mic input and the direct stereo outputs on the back are both making use of the same exact mic input. Not only does Cakewalk see the mono mic input but also I am able to send the that same mono mic input to two output tracks to make them a stereo output! But there is a rub and I am hoping you can help me with this. I could not have dealt with this problem without understanding how to deal with the other problems first. This problem was being hidden by the other problems (logistics). At least in my mind. Okay, now I have my mic being split by RME and sent out the back going out to the stream. Think of this logistically. When I play my recorded vocal track in Cakewalk it plays out of the Master out within Cakewalk. And when I punch in and re-sing a vocal line then my mic in Cakewalk kicks in so I have a doubling effect. Now I have already figured out sort of how to work around this but it is a pain... I can route the vocal track to a silent output while I am singing the vocal. Because I can still hear my mic due to the fact that I am listening to the live stream direct instance of my mic through the streaming AI, I am listening at the top of the chain. It is just as direct as the mic instance in Cakewalk. But I have to keep switching the vocal track to some silent output when I record a vocal punch in and then switch the vocal track output back to the master output when I need to hear what I recorded. Is there a way to have only the track hear my mic input but not the master but the master can still hear the recorded waves in the track? To mute my input mic in Cakewalk and only the track can hear it. Thanks in advance for any help on this!

Thanks for the congrats! And, for reminding me to have fun during the learning curve.

The interface came today, I have not found a way to duplicate mic input 1 yet. I have not given up, and the recording quality is excellent! Clean, dry, present, pristine, clear, warm, detailed, fat, transparent... all words that describe the unparalleled sound of this device. The device runs hot like the Behringer but RME thought enough ahead to put heat escape vents on each side. Quite impressive! ...and using the TotalMix software is like a dreamboat! Your suggestions of me buying an RME interface were spot on guys! And the RME forums are not a maze to use. THANKS! There is really nothing better, even the big movie producers use this. Printing out the 127 page manual as I type, got to study it. Several block diagrams in the manual too!

I have been watching videos on how to use it. I have a fallback plan if all else fails. I expect I will accomplish my method one of two ways. One way is simply through hardware, duplicate my mic before it goes into the AI. The other is possibly through the loopback feature. Or maybe a third way, I can simply just duplicate the direct input within the device. I will not know until I can test it. I really appreciate the help! I will get back to you and let you know which method I find works best. Thanks for all the assistance and encouragement! I would never have accomplished this without the help here!

I have a RME interface on the way and it would be nice to be able to use Pro Channel inserts as VST effects. I would pay to have Pro Channel VST plugins available in other Windows programs that use VST effects. Also the style dials would be nice as quick use VST inserts. My hunch is that prochannel inserts have very little overhead and would be pretty much zero latency effects. They work exceedingly great and I am very familiar with using them. There are many VST EQs and compressors out there but Pro Channel is what I choose to use when in Cakewalk. I would use them elsewhere if I had the choice.

I tried to cancel my order for the Hosa splitter. I was too late, it is already shipped. So I have another useless cable to add to the collection. I needed something that would block the phantom power from the secondary input. This device seems to do it. https://smile.amazon.com/gp/product/B00079P7T8/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_asin_title_o00_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1 This one does not have a ground switch, I am hoping that will not be a problem. As to address the issue of learning to use a mic for live streaming with latency... This is probably a personal quirk but I can't stand streaming with even the slightest amount of latency in my voice. It is very slight when I turn off all of my effects but it still throws me off. And listening to that slight delay for 8 hours worth of streaming is unbearable. I used to just turn off my mic monitoring because I thought I really did not need it on. I found out this was not the case. There is the proximity effect where I shift around in my chair and sometimes move my voice away from the mic just far enough and this becomes a perceptible problem in the continuity of the sound. And sometimes I mumble and mutter just under my breath. ...people want to hear what I am saying, I am not sure why though. When I can hear myself I can tell if the proximity effect is happening and I can also have a constant monitor of my voice to other audio balance. Just one of my quirks but direct monitoring is a must.

I just bought a Hosa XLR splitter tonight. I am wondering if splitting the mic signal will cut its volume by one half?

I am thinking of using a mixer and splitting the signal before it goes to the audio interface. So one signal goes to the audio interface (Cakewalk) and the other signal goes to the streaming computer. But, that seems like a dark ages way to do this... I just would rather avoid using a mixer on my desktop and I would rather not color my mic signal with a mixer preamp. It seems this should all be able to be done within the interface.

The Cakewalk stereo master bus from the computer is sent to the audio interface through USB. The problem I have been having is once that master bus stereo output is in the audio interface (via USB) is separating my microphone that is in Cakewalk from the other Cakewalk tracks. The microphone can be separated only if it is latent echo stream but getting the direct microphone out of the device and sent to the streaming computer is where the problem is. This is why having the signal flow diagram is vital... Another solution is to use two microphones, that is a solution I would rather not have to use. This is for live streams, the logistical problem is when I track. Cakewalk needs the direct signal so does the live stream. At some point there needs to be a toggle. Or rather, both need use of the direct signal without doubling the signal. I can't seem to wrap my head around this logistical problem. Cakewalk needs the mic and the live stream needs the mic both at the same time. Once a microphone take has been recorded then it is routed out through the USB with all of the other tracks. The issue is always having the direct microphone signal for the live stream. The microphone signal has to be in sync with my live stream video from my camera... Echo latency throws that sync off. If there is any device in this world that will allow me to do this the right way it will be this RME interface. The worry i have is I may need two of them to do it. I am hoping one of them will suffice and I will be able to route the direct signal always to my streaming computer. Cakewalk is delayed also by effects, all of these factors are at play while the idea of "real-time" is of concern.