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2023-11-27 REVISION: Yesterday, I replied with with a link to the official site at https://www.cakewalk.com/sonar saying there were FAQs at the bottom of the page. Then a couple of posts came in related to what was posted there. So I wrote, "See replies below." My thinking was that maybe the FAQs were based on the early details from several months ago. My original intent in referring to the FAQs was that in case they were still accurate or if they were later revised, the link had the official statement. After that even more posts came in that seem to call into question the answers in the FAQs. So, now I don't know who to believe. I originally thought about cutting pasting the FAQs and the answers, but I was too tired. So, to put the following discussion into context, here are the FAQs (reformatted as forum text): How do I join the Cakewalk Sonar beta program? The Cakewalk Sonar beta program has limited seats at this time. To join the beta, please fill out the beta application, and we'll follow up with you soon! Is Sonar replacing Cakewalk by BandLab? Sonar builds and improves on Cakewalk by BandLab, offering advanced technology, effortless workflow, and an interface that amplifies inspiration. You can still access Cakewalk by BandLab here, but it will soon be phased out. We will continue providing community support and maintenance for Cakewalk by BandLab until both Cakewalk Next and Sonar become publicly available. Existing Cakewalk by BandLab users will be able to continue using the software after the release of Cakewalk Sonar. In the meantime, Cakewalk by BandLab continues to be available here. Will Cakewalk by BandLab be discontinued? Yes, eventually. We will continue providing community support and maintenance for Cakewalk by BandLab until Cakewalk Sonar becomes publicly available. At some point after the release of Sonar, Cakewalk by BandLab will no longer be supported. Note that existing Cakewalk by BandLab users will be able to continue using the software after the release of Cakewalk Sonar. In the meantime, Cakewalk by BandLab continues to be available here. Will Next and Sonar be free like Cakewalk by BandLab? Next and Sonar will be offered at price points designed to meet the needs of different customers. More information will be provided as we approach the launch date for these new products. What are the differences between Cakewalk Sonar, Cakewalk by BandLab and previous versions of Cakewalk SONAR? Cakewalk Sonar represents a new brand identity, introducing a significant UI refresh with high DPI display support, feature enhancements and a platform committed to ongoing feature development. The latest capabilities of Cakewalk by BandLab will carry forward into Sonar, along with a continued focus on performance and stability. While hundreds of improvements have been made since SONAR Platinum was discontinued, Cakewalk Sonar will be able to open projects created in SONAR and Cakewalk by BandLab. Will installing Cakewalk Sonar overwrite Cakewalk by BandLab? No, the two applications install to different locations on your file system, so they can coexist on your computer. JMO: To me the FAQs seem clear, unambiguous, and truthful. At the same time as a long-time user of Cakewalk / SONAR / Cakewalk, I do not want to tell others what they should believe, why I believe (opinion) the FAQs already address concerns and speculation, etc. I do not want to leave the impression that I was endorsing the reservations others later posted or stifle healthy discussion. I hope by reposting the FAQs today, I make up for having been too tired to repost them last night. BTW, I have reproduced the embedded links to the beta application and to the download for Cakewalk by Bandlab. I tend to take people at their word, including forum participants from users to staff. Happy CyberMonday Shopping!!

Note: I got it to work. I assigned it to the U key. I had an issue at first. I think it's because I have custom workspaces and I might needed to change the keybindings and resave my workspace. So to test initially, I used the None Workspace. Then I will double check tested my theory to see if I needed to resave my custom workspace.** **UPDATE: Confirmed! I first needed to resave my custom workspace with the new keyboard shortcut binding.

Would this help? (I haven't tried it, but maybe it would meet your needs.) The image on the right is from Preferences > Customization > Keyboard Shortcuts. That's the place I use to look for default shortcuts and to assign my own.

Inspired by @Old Joad's Them Changes post in the song association thread, now listening to this: Wikipedia article on Buddy Miles

When they upgrade to a new version, what do they usually add? All Vintage Synths that have been released since the Vintage Synths that were included in the previous version? New Vintage Synths that were not previously released? Non-vintage Synths? Thanks for any insights into Arturia's past behavior in upgrading the V Collection.

If so, they probably can't talk about it.

As someone who purchased Syntronik, Syntronik Deluxe, Syntronik 2 SE, Syntronik Syner-V, and picked up all the others except for the newest one (via a Syntronik 2 Group Buy and an upgrade to Total Studio Max 3.5), 30 currency units is by far the best price for a megaton of varied synth sounds. It is between 1/5 and 1/4 of the combined of cost individual products I purchased (excluding the pro rata cost of TS Max 3.5 which added Syntronik 2 Full to my set of products). Note: This is not to say IK won't come out with something that includes more, is improved, and has a lower price per component ratio in the future. Standard pros and cons notwithstanding (you can find them elsewhere), over the span of several years I thoroughly enjoyed listening to the synth sounds, jamming with them, developing lines, progressions, larger compositional structures with them, etc.

Check Third-Party Vendors for other prices, perks, virtual cash, etc.

MSoundFactoryLE for $26 is the lowest price I can remember. But you might want to check third-party vendors. Plugin Boutique is showing me $22, plus they have a choice of freebies (Choose 1 out of 5 with purchase). You can only use the new-user referral code at Melda's site, though. Might be worth your while check other sellers, esp. if you have virtual cash/rewards someplace. Only you can decide which combination of cash + perks is best for you, but I don't think it would hurt to look around--unless you wait too long. Taxes vary, too.

It wasn't as difficult to find as I thought it would be:

I remember a discussion of a similar issue probably within the past year (maybe 6 to 12 months ago). Is it safe to assume you are bringing this up so the developers will look for the same issue in Cakewalk Sonar and make sure its not there (and to fix it if it appears in Cakewalk Sonar)? If it would be helpful, I could try to find the thread I am remembering.

The whole episode as a playlist:

Glad it helps at least a little. Understanding how different software (hosts, such as DAWs, and plugins, such as VST Instruments) map midi commands (such as CCs) to the software's parameters can indeed be confusing in part because of the way each implements mapping. In fact, remote control / MIDI learning by clicking on a virtual control in a plugin's UI or using a plugin's parameter list and then moving a control on hardware is relatively new given the history of MIDI communication between hardware and software devices.

With a guarantee like that, I had to try it out in conjunction with a midi module I have started to work on for use in another program (a virtual modular synth). With a very quick test, it seems to work as intended so far. Thanks for sharing.

I guess it will just gave to remain an unsolved mystery. As the saying goes, "Mysteries Happen!!" ?

If you have some approximate dates, maybe you could try (if you haven't already) the WayBackMachine [Internet Archives] for older captures of the Focusrite site that mention discontinuing or merging the Midnight Suite. UPDATE: I tried a Google search and immediately got some hits: https://fael-downloads-prod.focusrite.com/customer/prod/s3fs-public/downloads/focusritemidnightuserguideen0.pdf There's a review at KVR. Although the current link goes to the current site, it's presence suggests that at one time the link might have been to a page with the Midnight Suite at the time the review was posted. A 2010 YT video (SOS) suggests a date if you want to do a historical search. Maybe your email archives have an invoice that show where you got the Midnight Plugins?

It's officially a deal.

Does windows consistently pass on those kinds of details to software in an easy to use (and update) form?

See the full section under HOW DOES IMPACT LX25+ MAP FOR YOUR DAW? https://nektartech.com/impact-lx25-plus/ . It sounds to me (based on the Cakewalk tab) like they are describing the controller's ability to be used as a Control Surface to control the Cakewalk User Interface. It looks like you can also use the Nektars in conjunction with MIDI Learn. Hope this helps.

https://nektartech.com/midi-communication-issues/ Some people think midi-ox is too complicated for beginners, but I think you could use it so see what CCs each of the controls output by default. You could also record them in a midi track in Cakewalk and look at the Event View. I would look at any software utility tools the hardware uses to see if the defaults can be changed. (Not sure if they can; I don't have any Nektars.) Its called mapping. You can map controllers CCs (default or changeable if that's allowed). Nowadays software synths often allow CCs to be assigned to different parameters / functions. FYI: https://nektartech.com/cakewalk-setup-and-troubleshooting-impact/ (might or might not be helpful at this point.) Found that ^^^ while looking for a MIDI Implementation Guide.

Yes. ?

In short (JMO), (1a) yes, it's a step back for people that have only used the free version (that is, from when Bandlab resurrected it about 5 years ago) and who only use free software; (1b) yes and no, it's both a step back and a step forward for long-time users who paid for versions of Cakewalk / SONAR when it was a paid version and have come to understand that paying for it again has a number of benefits. JMO, (2) You should worry about about it in the privacy of your own music-making workspace so as not to risk bringing up the issues that have already been discussed to death. ?