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Not sure if you are aware of this or if it would be helpful to you, but the button sets for the Custom Module get saved and recalled in Workspaces.

I have used step recording modes on hardware (mainly Casio's CZ-5000). Shift+R brings up the floating panel in Cakewalk and works with Staff View and PRV. Not sure I will use it, but it is nice to know about this option. Thanks for asking about it and thanks to scook for linking the online documentation.

From Deface the Music :

There is nothing innate here, it is based on a variety of factors including personal preferences, past experiences, familiarity. For example, this past year I found a software modular synthesizer that resonated with my early experiences using a Moog synthesizer. The software was easy for me to use because I had hands on experiences with the Moog. It has nothing to do with the software being innately intuitive or unintuitive. I understand frustrations when trying to learn or do something new, something unfamiliar. However saying X is innately more intuitive or Y is innately unintuitive is counterproductive to buckling down and tackling a learning curve. Why not just admit that something is new to you, has a different workflow, is unfamiliar to you, etc. and on that basis you are struggling with the learning curve? For example, there is another DAW which some people like. I have tried to use it without success in large part because all of the visual and functional elements are very unfamiliar to me. They are not the same as other DAWs I have used. But, it is not innately unintuitive. If I wanted to re-learn what I already know how to do in other software, I am empowered because I know why I find it difficult to use and can (if I choose) overcome those obstacles.

I'm lucky, too! Even though 1909 severely impacted my ability to use the E-Mu card and software for audio and MIDI, the FW port on the card allows me to use an FW1884! (Not as good as the E-Mu, but its what I have as a backup.)

Re: updating to 1909 - be careful if you have a sound card that has legacy drivers. 1909 killed my ability to use my E-Mu ASIO/Audio (and PatchMix software) that worked quite well under Windows 10 before. I wish I could go back, but I can't.

Also, have you tested the midi out from the piano with a third party program (such as midi-ox) to make sure the data is being sent out properly? Assuming note data and CCs are coming from the piano, is it possible you have it set up as a control surface that prevents note data and CCs from getting to the soft synth?

They do not do the same thing. To me they serve very different purposes, though both do have save and recall functionality. There are many threads/posts that address the differences. If someone else doesn't post links to those threads/posts, I'll see if I can compile a list.

No need to condescend. I disagree with your reading of the post you cited. I use "hmmm" in many cases as a sign that I am thinking about what someone said. I don't think I have ever used it as a sign of ridicule, condescension, condemnation, etc. such as you have in this case. To me his comments do not seem to reflect such a tone that you attribute to it. Contrast the use of "hmmm" with the following: Is "hmmmm" intentionally insulting to you? That being said, I think your point that CbB should halt installation and issue a warning instead of installing the update might be valid if what you say is true. If you read the forum, you will see that there were issues and feedback given regarding the Windows Component that is part of The Edge. Changes were made. Maybe other changes are needed if the developers want to make CbB work under Windows 7. I don't know. Do you want an installer for an older version of Bandlab or Cakewalk? If the latter, perhaps there are still some links for rollback versions a "rollback installer" in the forum.

Footnote: About a month ago there was a Humble Bundle that included (I think it was approx. 20 USD) included updated, non-SONAR Editions of these three AAS products plus other products all of which are not limited to SONAR/CbB.

With new activity in this thread, I decided to update latency mon (from 6.71 home to 7.00 home). Today, LatencyMon was squarely in the red from the start unlike previously plus I have the wdf01000.sys issue. It could be coincidence, but after some Windows Updates over the past month or two I have noticed System interrupts using increasingly more of my CPU. I have needed to adjust settings and pay closer attention to CPU load to avoid driving the CPU above the level that interferes with audio (pops, crackles, distortion, etc.) I haven't yet gotten to explore what is causing the increased System interrupts load. Prior to today: "Your system appears to be suitable for handling real-time audio and other tasks without dropouts. LatencyMon has been analyzing your system for 0:15:00 (h:mm:ss) on all processors." Today: "Your system seems to be having difficulty handling real-time audio and other tasks. You may experience drop outs, clicks or pops due to buffer underruns. One or more DPC routines that belong to a driver running in your system appear to be executing for too long. One problem may be related to power management, disable CPU throttling settings in Control Panel and BIOS setup. Check for BIOS updates. LatencyMon has been analyzing your system for 0:16:02 (h:mm:ss) on all processors."

I know we can leave real gear to heirs; does anyone know if these virtual gear companies also disallow transfers to heirs?

Its been a while since I tested storing meter preferences in Workspaces. I do remember a discussion about it that I participated in. I do recall that preferred meter scales are saved somewhere. I will see if I can try to find that thread. ADDENDUM: Still looking here and here. Not sure if either of these threads address your specific issue. Maybe I am misremembering about meter preferences being saved in Workspaces. I will try to find my tests.

That's what I thought based on this: although the references to "were initially started at" and "was started at" made me wonder if just the beginnings of the songs were too fast. ^^^ This. Out of curiosity, would this work for you? Note: "Before" is at 160 BPM; "After" is at 80 BPM. Are you saying that the project includes both MIDI and audio?

In the SONAR series, I went from 3 to 5 to 6 then directly to 8.5. Good thing I don't need this to round out my collection (or for any other reason). Seriously, though, it reminds me of liquidation sales from decades ago--when some liquidator would buy a chain's entire inventory and then go from place to place ["5 Days Only - GIGANTIC Liquidation Sale"]** without any idea of the value (or lack thereof) of many of the items that had been in mothballs for years before the chain went under. Nowadays its like the people who go garage sale/tag sale shopping and resell items at absurd prices. If I could get $4.99 for each of the ads sliced out of my old music mags like some of these people . . . . **"All Sales Final. No Refunds For Any Reason"

So, you are saying if you take intellectual property that belongs to someone else (and is not designated as free by the property owner) without compensating the developer/owner, it is not stealing, it is infringement and therefore is OK because if the owner cared about getting paid, the owner would make licenses available? Just trying to understand the issue.

One of the features I appreciate about Melda Productions UI is the ability to close/turn off each section as needed. Once I get MB (or non-MB) graphics looking picture pretty, I can just turn off the displays and keep just whatever I need in front of me. I have an older system, so saving CPU power by turning off unneeded animated graphics is a definite benefit of the UI design--even though it has a learning curve that's too steep for me.

@MarianoGF How do you get (1) more than one option and (2) a column for checks? I only had one option and no check column, so I thought it was a tooltip for the button. In fact, when I turned tooltips off, I didn't get it at all regardless of the size of the module. So, if you turn tooltips off do you still get the box with what seems to be options to select? Verified on my PC, too: OK. I figured it out--I was hovering not right-clicking. When I right clicked, I got the same quickly disappearing selection box (even when using Mercury and Tungsten). I was able to make the change, but the box shouldn't time out like that.

Is that what that button is for!!!!!! LOL. I've had it for decades and had no idea what the image on the button was trying to communicate--totally non-intuitive icon.

Neither. See comments from others. 'Nuff said!

Yup! Unfortunately, there is no way to tell if the following is what they had in mind or if they were thinking of other "important components . . . that haven't been touched for almost two decades." I just took a guess, but who knows what they had in mind. UPDATE: I just checked the SONAR X1 on my XP PC: (c) 2001-2002. That fits with "almost two decades ago." But again, who knows what they had in mind.

Found it (under cons): "Since more than a decade ago no function has been improved." Possibly you misunderstood this phrase. Possibly Slant is not as clear as it could be. As you commented, it is under the "Old Code." To me it seems they are using "function" in a technical sense--as in functions, function calls, routines, etc. in the programming code. Unless you know programming languages, you might not realize this and might read it in a general sense--user features v. computer code functions. I think Slant is saying/trying to say that the computer code used to build the program users install has not yet been rewritten from scratch and uses computer code that hasn't been tweaked/retooled/made more efficient, expanded upon/re-structured, etc. That being said, from all the changes (bug fixes, improvements, new features, etc.) I have seen over the past decade, I cannot imagine the code itself has not been changed. But, I have never tried to reverse engineer the current version and a version from 10 years ago and I have no desire to do so. Nevertheless, it is hard for me to imagine (as a user), that no function [in the code] has been improved over the past decade. I have reported a few issues I experienced and the developers have fixed them. My guess was that changes didn't square with prior code and that the code was changed so as to fix the issues. If you look at the history of changes just over the past year, much has changed in terms of Cakewalk's features and performance. If Slant meant that Cakewalk has been essentially using and building on the UI implemented with SONAR X1 but that many of the parts of the UI are still part of Cakewalk--Track View, Piano Roll View, Console, Browser, Event List, etc. (i.e., it hasn't been revised from the ground up and made to look totally different), that is a different matter. Maybe that's what they meant by the "Old Code" section and they weren't referring to functions in the technical sense. -------------------------------------- Aside: I also think their "Does not respect your freedom" diatribe is misleading and based on a hyper-restricted sense of "freedom" which I suspect comes from a technical, computer programming-activist stance. For an introduction to the complexities of "free as in freedom" mantra, see, for example, this. I might have missed it, but I didn't see sufficient credit given to Cakewalk's extreme flexibility and user customizability. Yes, there is a reference to customizability and the Theme Editor, but for me there is so much more that Cakewalk offers to support users' freedom to create. To take just one example, Cakewalk's Workspaces framework allows users to customize the UI with multiple user presets that are in essence personal workflows. To me that shows respect and dedication to the users' freedom to work in a ways that best meet their needs. There's much more (in my opinion) but I only mention this example here as I believe there is similar potential for misinterpretation. I suspect the "Does not respect your freedom" criticism is based on a highly specialized, computer programming activism stance. Unfortunately, if you don't know about that technical, limited meaning, it is possible to draw erroneous conclusions. I could be wrong. ------------ Apologies to those who just want short, pithy comments and to anyone whose toes I might have stepped on.

Based on using parallel port motu midi interfaces (Win 98SE, XP), the sequencer modes do not have routings; instead, routing is done through the DAW/Sequencer. USB versions might be different, but since you don't have routings for the sequencer mode you chose, I'd say its supposed to be that way. I will differ to others with USB versions if they work differently. (Just checked the USB manual and it looks pretty much the same.) As for why you might not have sound in your external gear triggered from midi tracks, as rsinger noted, make sure the correct output port has been selected in Cakewalk. Also, double check the mutings and mappings tabs.

+1 for Emitt "Recorded At Home" Rhodes. Why? For planting the idea that I can do multi-tracking stuff at home, and for some musical phrases I stole for some jams (e.g. the intro from Fresh as a Daisy, among others). Also, Robert Fripp. Why? Because he also paved the way for doing fun, whacky things. Oh, yeah. Almost forgot Terry Riley. Why? For sonic imagery in "A Rainbow in Curved Air," among others. Not to forget Jimi Hendrix. Why? Because he showed me how to put emotionalism in sounds as sound, for groovy progressions, etc. Yeah--he also took conventions of music and showed how to do new and fun things with the same old same old.