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Cakewalk needs proper positioning on social media!

I am writing this post not only as a Cakewalk user since 2003, but also as a marketing agency owner and business consultant.

Of all social networks, the Facebook page is the most active https://www.facebook.com/CakewalkInc
But even here there is some boring news about new releases and updates.

It's sad to look at Instagram from Cakewalk in general - https://www.instagram.com/cakewalkinc.
Latest news about Cakewalk - 21 October 2019.
Almost 2.5 years of silence from developers in one of the most developing social networks in the world!!! ūü§ß

Some statistics of Cakewalk on Instagram:

  • 194 publications
  • 4 921 subscribers

For comparison:

Ableton on Instagram

  • 478 publications
  • 556 thousand subscribers

Bitwig on Instagram

  • 163 publications
  • 14.9 thousand subscribers

Cubase on Instagram

  • 12 publications
  • 10.9 thousand subscribers

Studio One on Instagram

  • 50 publications
  • 4 099 subscribers

Another moment. Cakewalk in Instagram needs a separate hashtag that does not overlap with others.

The marketing strategy should consist of:

1. Creating a goal for the year in numbers (attracting users, working with ambassadors, working with strategic partners - manufacturers of midi keyboards, for example).
2. Create an action plan

  • short videos for social networks
  • long videos for youtube
  • feature articles and short posts
  • expert articles for music magazines
  • publications in industry news portals
  • creating a content plan
  • etc.

Content examples:

  • live podcasts and recordings,
  • video reviews,
  • live broadcasts with famous musicians and sound engineers using the Cakewalk,
  • interesting information about the developers and the team itself,
  • plans for the development of the program for the year,
  • expert articles,
  • results of participation in various events,
  • etc.

This is just a sketch of ideas and possible activities that I sketched in half an hour ūüėÖ

I would like the Cakewalk to develop in the Internet space, and new musicians, composers, and sound engineers join it! ūüöÄ

@Morten Saether@Jesse Jost
I am ready, if necessary, to connect to the creation and implementation of a promotion and marketing strategy together with your team! ūüôŹ

PS. Colleagues, please support the idea with a like!

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Yeah I find it odd that after being bought by the company that has highly popular music making App , this is still the state of affairs.

I thought they would be all over that stuff. 

We don't even get a regular column in SOS magazine any more despite the author being a regular around these forums. Whilst "lesser" more niche DAWs seem to.

I've been bangin' on about this ever since Cakewalk got rescued, whilst I love and understand it pretty intimately this is not the case for the younger generation of music makers.  The way people make music has changed.  They want fast and easy ways to make Trap and Hip Hop beats and manipulate sample packs for starters. Give them that and they'll probably stay around but as it stands other platforms took the lead years ago and it's as though Cakewalk don't even want to cater for them. 

As it stands I think professional users look down upon Cakewalk ( wrongly IMHO ) and the younger generation haven't been given the tools they need so it's stuck in this kind of nowhere mans land in the middle full of balding middle aged guys making terrible prog in their spare rooms just to get away from the wife. 

It's not just about marketing, it's about fulfilling the need of the end user. You have to work out who that is first.

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@Asato Maa

Not a bad idea... in theory! Although, looking at what is happening in the music production environment, it seems to me that it will not be possible to save Cakewalk. The reason is very simple - at the present time, the fate and popularity of any program depends not on the number of subscribers in social media, and not even on the number of users, but on the commercial position for this program on the part of plug-in manufacturers or tools for it.

And in this matter, from the moment, when Bandlab decided to make Cakewalk free, it began to be openly squeezed out of the market by its main competitors. The most important examples are - Audiobro, Cinematic Studio, Native Instruments and some others, which fundamentally do not apply "integration into DAW" in relation to Cakewalk. Over the past 3 years, our beloved DAW has completely disappeared from the list of "best music production software", while Cakewalk remains in the spotlight only thanks to private enthusiasts who dedicate their reviews to it. I already know quite a few professionals who, after 20 years of working with Cakewalk, are now switching to Cubase or Logic Pro, although right now Cakewalk is in the best shape ever.

Unfortunately, the commercial policy of Bandlab does not depend on our opinions and will not change, which will inevitably lead to a complete drop in user interest and Bandlab's refusal to continue working on it.

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I agree with @Mark MoreThan-Shaw¬†and @IgoRr¬†they have to find out who they want to pitch to before they can even think about social media.. @Asato Maa Bandlab is focused on the younger generation it seems that deal with something fast to release but Cakewalk doesn't seem to know where it wants to go it really is in limbo... It does not cater to the young and not enough for the old that's why people are choosing other DAWS.. integration is important.. stability is important.. tools are important to make things faster these are the things that will attract people but they need to decide what they want to do and choose which way they want to go.. but updating the IG would be great to see lol.. I think they have stuff from like 2 years ago on there... Lol..ūüėā

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I agree with everything said here and think they're missing a bit of a trick as well, but at the same time Bandlab are not wanting for money making avenues at all and they certainly didn't pick up the Cakewalk IP as a money making venture, at least in the short-term because there's still a bunch of product they haven't monetised at all. I personally don't care too much so long as the software is being developed, and I agree that this is the best it's ever been - there's no commercial considerations to keep bolting on fancy new stuff at the expense of bug squashing (I think they have the balance about right now), and it's still happily getting my music into the charts, so thumbs up here!

But marketing is definitely something not being exploited, and the lack of a Mac version (which is extremely unlikely) is what's keeping a lot of publications from jumping on board for sure. I can't say I've ever had a client tell me "oh yeah, you did that on PC, right?" so it's kind of irrelevant in nearly every way except for marketing. From what the Bakers have said though, the user base is actually gaining rather than losing since the Gibson days. I'd love to see more of a presence but by all accounts it's doing pretty fine behind the scenes.

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@Lord Tim

In today's world, where literally everything is based on profit, the number of users has little effect. And the examples I have given above confirm the tendency to squeeze out Cakewalk from this media environment. I partly agree that Bandlab does not introduce amenities for beatmakers and hip-hop lovers, but Steinberg or Logic Pro do not do this either, nevertheless, their popularity and authority in the professional environment is only growing.

I'm not exaggerating, I remember very well that 6-8 years ago, Cubase or Logic Pro were first of all compared only with Sonar, and now Cakewalk is practically not mentioned, except by individual enthusiasts. But from every iron you hear about Studio One or Reaper.

And I repeat once again: now Cakewalk is in the best shape for all the years of its existence, it has much more creative tools, it has become much more convenient, but it is less and less in a professional environment, as long as it rests on the pure enthusiasm of users.

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3 hours ago, IgoRr said:

@Lord Tim

In today's world, where literally everything is based on profit, the number of users has little effect.

Sure, but as I said, 

6 hours ago, Lord Tim said:

Bandlab are not wanting for money making avenues at all and they certainly didn't pick up the Cakewalk IP as a money making venture, at least in the short-term because there's still a bunch of product they haven't monetised at all.

If there's a long-term plan for this stuff, it hasn't been put into action yet.

But also as I said, I agree - it would be great to see more of a push and a bigger media presence.

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I think that a lot of this is also because Cakewalk is free.
You used to be able to read tutorials and other interesting items in the main magazines..   now its not even mentioned.
Why is that when a product  is for free and in some cases rivals those out there.
I've been a cake walk user for nearly two decades and I can remember when it was one of the really big names.
I even have the Sonar V Studio system which was a lot of money  quite a while ago.

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These are all fine ideas, but they require employees or consultants to do them. As far as I know, the only staff on Cakewalk are the developers and support. From my observations, BandLab's promotional budget for Cakewalk is next to nil. The only money I've seen them spend was sending some staff to Anaheim for the NAMM Show a couple of years back when we used to have NAMM Shows.

I've suggested that there be Cakewalk laptop stickers and t-shirts made available for purchase.

I've done some cleanup work on a few of the legacy Wikipedia pages, and made sure that Cakewalk by Bandlab is on all of the lists of DAW's and audio software, but there's still no page for Cakewalk by Bandlab itself.

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I also think it is because every commercial studios out there own Mac systems leaving Cakewalk that are on the same level and standards as The top 7 Absolute.

FL Studio

Logic Pro 

Pro Tools 

Ableton

Cubase 

Reaper 

Studio One

All of these DAWS have a fully function version for Macintosh and Windows systems except for one of course.

It's for this reason I had changed to Mac too. My Cakewalk system is now my personal computer in the main house in the study room. I often sit infront of it when I do beats for myself. So, I think it's for this reason that Cakewalk went dead - Macs are the standard system in Studios and Cakewalk doesn't have one. Sonar tried, but it was a fail. I guess they didn't have enough resources to keep working and perfecting it - dont know.

Then of course, there's the youth. What teenager these days own a windows system?  I'm going to my mid 30's and was forced the past two years throughout the pandemic to invest in a MACINTOSH business wise, because of the demands from clients sending and requesting Mac files and I can say with confidence, I'm not disappointed. 

Cakewalk will pickup overnight when there's a Mac version available to promote at NAMM should they decide to create a Mac version the next 12 months. This of course will not happen. 

I'm willing to create one quality short Video for their IG page weekly. 

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I actually don't know any teenager that owns a Mac, to be honest. It's not quite the ***** measurement appliance down here that it is in some other parts of the world.

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1 hour ago, bdickens said:

Or so Mac fanboys would have you believe.

I guess you live under a rock then. 

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53 minutes ago, Lord Tim said:

I actually don't know any teenager that owns a Mac, to be honest. It's not quite the ***** measurement appliance down here that it is in some other parts of the world.

You're missing the point. Logic with all it's flaws is attractive ridiculous amount of youth in. The OP's discussion is about Marketing, not so? and that Cakewalk is losing out on it, right? Well, ding-dong! 

Logic is attracting a lot of traffic and that means, a lot of teenagers are investing in Macbooks or the Desktop. Having a Mac means that they can run Logic or Ableton (Another big "name DAW" among them for some reason) which are both on mac and windows available. 

Ask around whats their favourite DAW? Logic pops up 70% of the time. So again seeing that you're missing the  crucial key words and phrase about, here it is again. 

If Cakewalk should get a mac version of the DAW i guarantee you, it will rocket to the top in studios OVERNIGHT! 

Cakewalk was there before. It was in most Major studios around the globe, but because it was unstable at the time - studios shelved it. 

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I'm missing nothing. I was responding to the "what teenager runs Windows" statement you made, which is absolutely not true, especially in this part of the world.

Having a Mac version would be great, but realistically it isn't going to happen, no matter how much anyone may want it to. The Bakers have pretty much said as much. There was a reason the SONAR Mac alpha never continued to be developed.

Think about it for a minute: You divert development on your very Windows-centric app to create a Mac version. The software is very much tied to Windows so it would need a substantial re-write, which takes time and the resources of your small dev team away from the Windows version. You're aiming to go up against established Mac-based software, and software that not only is promoted by Apple but is even bundled with its OS in some cases. By the time you have something out, what do you think will happen? People will suddenly go "hey, how great is Cakewalk? Let's stop using Logic!" right? Nope, it'll need a huge PR push to get this all relaunched, which will take years to get the same foothold that the other Mac based software already has - nobody is going to stop using stuff they're comfortable with. You're not going to replace  ProTools because of how ingrained it is in the big studio world. You're not going to win over a bunch of kids with Ableton because it's drummed into their heads that this is what they need to use to make beats. N00bs have Garage Band right in the box with a clear upgrade path to Logic. All of this will take time to seep into an ecosystem where Cakewalk has never been before. In the meantime, PC development stagnates, existing users get frustrated that "X" DAW has all of this stuff that Cakewalk doesn't because the resources were diverted to make a Mac version, while the world moves on without them. It makes zero sense from a logistics point of view.

Would a Mac version be great? Absolutely. Is it realistic for it to happen? Not at all.

So going back to the OP, now that the Mac version is ruled out, a proper media presence for the PC version is the only avenue that can be exploited. None of us know Bandlab's ultimate plans for Cakewalk. As I said, they're not hurting for money at all, and there's a lot of Cakewalk IP that hasn't been monetised yet which would be rudimentary to have a web store set up to cater for those kind of things and get an income from it, but it hasn't happened yet for whatever reason. The only thing we're currently sure is the development is very active and stability is high on the agenda, which is really the most important thing for their userbase ultimately.

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40 minutes ago, Will_Kaydo said:

...Cakewalk was there before. It was in most Major studios around the globe, but because it was unstable at the time - studios shelved it. 

 

A little different: Cakewalk was shelved not because of its instability, but because of the sluggishness of the guys from Boston, who, at a key point, could not (or did not want to) agree with Steinberg in terms of using ASIO. And while Cakewalk was looking for its analogue of this driver for 10 years (!!!), most of the dedicated Cakewalk users and some professional studios switched to MAC.

Sometimes this is how you can literally break the course of History.

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6 hours ago, Will_Kaydo said:

Then of course, there's the youth. What teenager these days own a windows system? 

What teenager owns a Mac either? I don't know where the hell you're from but here in the real world not many teenagers have very much disposable income.

6 hours ago, Will_Kaydo said:

demands from clients sending and requesting Mac files

I gotta call BS on this. I have never heard of anyone giving a rodent's gluteus maximus what platform a file came off of as long as they can use it on theirs. And since most DAWs that aren't Cakewalk or Logic are cross platform....

 

1 hour ago, Will_Kaydo said:

Ask around whats their favourite DAW? Logic pops up 70% of the time.

More BS. The two names I see most often are Ableton and Reaper.

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1 hour ago, Lord Tim said:

Having a Mac version would be great, but realistically it isn't going to happen, no matter how much anyone may want it to. The Bakers have pretty much said as much. There was a reason the SONAR Mac alpha never continued to be developed.

 

You're taking my words too literal. 

7 hours ago, Will_Kaydo said:

 should they decide to create a Mac version. This of course will not happen. 

I already said it here. 

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28 minutes ago, bdickens said:

What teenager owns a Mac either? I don't know where the hell you're from but here in the real world not many teenagers have very much disposable income.

I gotta call BS on this. I have never heard of anyone giving a rodent's gluteus maximus what platform a file came off of as long as they can use it on theirs. And since most DAWs that aren't Cakewalk or Logic are cross platform....

 

More BS. The two names I see most often are Ableton and Reaper.

Must you always start an argument and insult people on this forum? Life is to fragile for things like that. Calm down, ice cream always help. 

Have yourself a great day. 

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1 hour ago, IgoRr said:

most of the dedicated Cakewalk users and some professional studios switched to MAC.

I've been saying then this the whole time.

Plus, the up and coming teenagers (producers, mixing engineers, Dj's, rappers and singers) that are making money out of their craft amongst one another, that's investing in Macbooks too. 

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