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To anyone thinking about replying to the OP or my reply here, please be advised that several hours later, the OP posted the same question.

In fact, I did reply!!!!!

Oh. I thought I replied to this a few hours ago. 😞

Pressing the keys on the UI's keyboard with a mouse does not generate midi note data. Same thing with SI-Drums and the others. See for example: You can use the built-in virtual controller.

Do you mean SONAR (as in SONAR 3 . . . 8.5, X1 . . . X3, SPlat [SONAR Platinum]) or Cakewalk by Bandlab? Or are you looking to request participation as a beta tester of Cakewalk Sonar? https://www.cakewalk.com/sonar/

How do you keep it from installing Magix Low Latency Drivers? I tried over the span of several years and never stumbled onto the solution. Each time they totally messed up my audio. Thx.

I ABSOLUTELY AGREE!!! But if you are tempted to worry, you could read this (MS UWP Documentation) or this (MS UWP Documentation on MIDI) . JMO: Choose your battles--life's too short to try to figure out what MS has done. Or as the legendary telephone repair man said back in the 60s or 70s, "If it ain't broke, don't try to fix it." 😛

In my experience MME Midi Driver Mode works better for "legacy" MIDI gear. One of my basic diagnostic suggestions when someone says their MIDI gear which worked perfectly for years suddenly doesn't work is to check the Midi Driver Mode. Sometimes the issue is that the mode was switched to UWP. To change it back if that's the issue, any loaded projects need to closed (at least the last time I looked it did). Mostly, it's nothing to worry about as @OutrageProductions says, but sometimes it is helpful to know what that setting does. Someone (at least one person) explained or summarized the differences between the older mode (MME) and the newer one (UWP). It might have been msmcleod. If I find any explanations / summaries, I will add them here.** UPDATE: See Noel's article linked to by @OutrageProductions below. (Thanks for digging out that article!!!) **UPDATE: Sorry; couldn't any. If interested (not recommended unless you have an issue with MIDI devices suddenly not working) is to search the forum for UWP. Don't look up MME because that is also an Audio Driver Mode!

Thanks for raising this issue and for all the contributions. I picked up SuperLooper a few years ago, but found it didn't meet my needs. It has had some changes since then, and this discussion is useful and has helped me to put it on my list of things to retry.

Good news! I mean that Bome meets your needs, not that Cakewalk sysex is dead to you. 😉 Someday I might use my P2500 again as a sound module. Over the past few years I have been testing the use of the 4 x 4 knob array as a generic midi controller as part of a new live performance workflow for some specific soft synths. Sometimes as a quick and easy to use drummer. Before taking apart miles of MIDI cables, I had all my BPM modules using the P2500 as a Master MIDI Clock source. Having the clock on Port B served as a handy mnemonic: B is for Beats. 🙂 Great to hear from someone who is also still using theirs!

Yeah I have seen others mention Bome's. It's like MIDI-OX as understand. I'd be interested in your results--especially if successful! Ho Ho Ho!!!!

Did some quick tests with MIDI-OX. With full bank dumps: some loss of data at 0000; upped to 0030; some successes and loss of data. With Current Multi: 1 data underrun followed by three 1373 captures. No tests sending anything back. Maybe another day. If I weren't so old, I'd try coding an Arduino to do sysex captures at various serial port speeds. With the Hairless MIDI<-->Serial Bridge. Might be cool to encode some dump request macros and see if the transfer can happen at 115200 bps. Proteus Pal. FYI, I've played with Royce Craven's Patch Librarian with the intent of assembling my own banks, but haven't used it in years--ever since I started diving into trying to do music with soft synths. I might try that Librarian one of these days to see if that also has issues with dumps.

See http://legacy.cakewalk.com/Documentation?product=Cakewalk&language=3&help=SYSX.13.html . PS: I did a deep dive into the E-Mu data formats, handshaking protocols, and sysex commands so long ago I don't remember all the finer details. I will double check, but IIRC the max packet size is 256 bytes. I probably still have the spreadsheets comparing the 1607-byte preset format (P2K) and 1615-byte format (CS/P2500). Egads!!! This brings back memories of when I used to be young and had the mental energy to figure all that out and the stamina to write some tools personal tools. 😜

I'd have to check, but that sounds right. One of the CbB configuration tweaks would probably be geared towards that, I seem to remember 2 of them--possibly speed and inter packet delay. I rarely used them. Perhaps they are more important on newer PCs and newer interfaces. 1000 ms would be overkill on my PC send to Cakewalk. Today I tried 0010, 0020, and 0000, but I only did about 10-12 dumps. I was surprised, but it was also around 50% successful at 0000. I don't have the patience to do more than 0020. 😞 Maybe I will try 300 and make another cup of tea!!! 😜

So, I fired up my P2500 which uses the same bulk data format as the Command Stations. Even with a packet delay of 0020 milliseconds (2x as much as usual) I had dropped data in the full bank dumps. It seems like every other dump had a problem. Then I tried a multi (current multi). 1373 bytes as expected, but I got the same message you did--incomplete sysex message, 3 times in a row!!!! Never had that before. Not sure why. Maybe we do need to use one of the Cakewalk/SONAR configuration tweaks for some reason. Most of my recent dumps are from 2010-2012, though I seem to recall I did some updates probably between 2 and 3 years ago (before I started seriously exploring the use of soft synths). Since then there have been updates to Windows 10 as well as CbB. I know when CbB came out I was still using the P2500 extensively. I was using a different Win 10 PC then. Between all the updates, the "newer" PC, the age of the E-Mus, and who knows what else, it might be very difficult to find out where there is this issue "all of a sudden." There are third-party tools for E-Mu, as well as the general purpose MIDI-OX which might serve as workarounds--do the dumps, save the files, and then load them into CbB's Sysex system. Bummer! Those E-Mus were workhorses. 😞

PS: Someone might tell you you can tweak some settings in CbB. For some circumstances that can help, but I never had to do those tweaks with E-Mus. Also, I am assuming to don't have any other midi stuff going on when you are doing the dumps. UPDATE: I just checked one of my CWP E-Mu Bank Files. All my multis are 1373 bytes, too.

I'd have to check but 206,720 bytes looks right for a complete bank dump. 1373 looks close for master settings or multis. I'd have to look it up. What I used to do when I was doing P2K and Command Station dumps that were problematic was to put a delay in the packets coming from the E-Mus. I don't have any turned on, but it should be one of the midi settings. I think it's called Sysex Delay on both P2Ks and CSes. From what you wrote, it sounds like you already have a delay set, though. There could be other causes/solutions, but tweaking delay on the E-Mu usually worked for me. Not sure why you got 206,699 for one of the banks if all the others are right. I can easily hook an E-Mu module up to double check.

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Thanks for the tip. I don't get all the betas, but i need a break to play a bit and this has some things I am interested in!! I have come up with some patches I love using the random wavetable feature and am wondering what this Generate feature adds. I wonder if that means we can design modules that can safely trigger the generation of wavetables on the fly. I am not a guitarist, but I have been following the development of MGuitarArchitect. The whole NAM thing looks like the kind of thing that would appeal to some of the Cakewalk guitarists who are into modelling. Wondering if this ties in with the credits Melda offered to guitarists. I know there are many guitarists here some of whom submitted stuff. Just thought I call attention to this in case some of the guitarists here are interested in checking out the changes. Again, thanks for the heads up!

** Just remembered: I wanted to write up the steps / correct folder to install the mini-pack because it's not obvious. Yes, some people might know the steps how and where to move the folder, but I had started to triple check and got side tracked. Installers place the collections in the right place, but this is a compressed file that needs to be unzipped with the mini-pack folder being placed with the other collections for the instrument. WHAT???? You expect me to do that to atone for just posting a link to the video and letting others look at the details via YouTube? Hey, this is the Cakewalk Discuss Coffee House Deals subforum, sometimes known as The Bargain Basement. Like you expect full-service, maybe? In Late December??????? 🤪 Seriously, if someone doesn't know where to put it, you can ask. 😜 OK, OK. I'll give you a hint: I put mine at C:\Users\My Name\AppData\Roaming\Cherry Audio\Synthesizer Expander Module\Presets . YMMV

Sorry. Too much to do at the moment I grabbed the video link Had been planning to add more details but I forgot Diminishing age-related time, energy, and stamina issues Figured others would want to hear the sounds before just downloading On behalf of everyone else, thanks for posting the details and the dropbox link

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