Mark Morgon-Shaw

I don't quite understand what you mean as there is no Export Stems option in CBB ? Just to be clear I am talking about a Stem being Submix of a particular group of tracks and a Folder being a Track Folder within CBB So the Drum Stem would typically consist of the following tracks : Kick - Snare - HH - Toms - Ride - Crashes - Overheads - Room I make 5 or 6 Track Folders and drop the relevant tracks into them. Typlically: Drums - Bass - Percussion- Keys - Guitars - FX Each Stem must to include any and all processing used in the Full Mix so for example the Drums may have Parallel Compression, FX sends such as snare reverb étc. Exporting the required Stems & Minus Mixes is just a case of muting and un-muting various combos of the 5 or 6 Track Folders and bouncing it as an " Entire Mix " with the correct sample rate etc. for the Library. Often 48/24 but not always. Having sub folders would allow easier management of this process. So all the Guitars cold go into a folder but nested within that folder could be Lead & Rhymthm Guitars for example as those need to be exported together and separately ( see above list ) This is all fairly standard requirements when submitting to certain Film & TV Libraries

Hi Fogle622 Posted below are the delivery instructions from a music library I write for:- ---------- Your sessions need to be 48/24 and all files delivered need to be at this sample/bit rate. Once the cue is approved we will ask you to upload the full quality files to us in the following format: a. CUE-TITLE__FULL-MIX (master file) b. CUE-TITLE_NO-MELODY (minus mix) c. CUE-TITLE_NO-DRUMS (minus mix) d. CUE-TITLE_NO-ORCH (minus mix) e. CUE-TITLE_NO-GUITARS (minus mix) f. CUE-TITLE_NO-VOCALS / NO-CHOIR g. CUE-TITLE_DRUMS-BASS (yes, we would like one stem with these combined and as follows, separated). h. CUE-TITLE_DRUMS (stem) i. CUE-TITLE_BASS j. CUE-TITLE_GUITARS (should be split into rhythm, lead, acoustic, electric etc) k. CUE-TITLE_SYNTHS (Synths need to be separated into different types. If you have pads it should be labeled SYNTH-PADS, if you have pulsing it should be labeled SYNTH-PULSES, if you have an arpeggiated part SYNTH-ARP etc) l. CUE-TITLE_STRINGS m. CUE-TITLE_BRASS n. CUE-TITLE_CHOIR o. CUE-TITLE_MELODY p. CUE-TITLE_FX q. CUE-TITLE_PIANO The point here is that we would like FULL-MIX, Minus Mixes, and Stems that are labeled with appropriate elements per the style of track you are working in. Very Important comment about STEMS. All files need to be exactly the same length. No exceptions. If your Full Mix is 1.49 then all other files need to be exactly the same length even if the part doesn’t come in until the middle of the cue. Also, please always make sure the file ending does not cut off ring out. ------------- So if you organise by busses , and those busses have processing on them you are assuming that every track routed to it will sit nicely in it's 'home' buss ..if this were true then yes it would be fine..but often times at some point during the mix there are some tracks which end up sounding better routed elsewhere than bussed with similar instruments and their subsequent processing. Take guitars as an example there might be 4 rhythm and 2 lead parts, all going to a buss labelled " Guitars " that has a little compression, some low end filtered out and a a send to a Delay buss. This might sound great on 5 of those guitars...but then there's one lead part that doesn't quite sound right ..what do you do..well you might re-route it straight to the Master Buss and add all your FX at track level therefore bypassing the settings on the rest of the guitars on the Guitar Buss. Now the mix sounds better but the Guitar Buss no longer includes all guitars. Far easier then to route every track to where it sounds best and then group them into folders..now you can solo all the guitars and bounce a stem regardless of where the tracks are routed. And if you could have sub-folders, as you can see from the above list it makes life easier

No, to be fair it's been this way for many years and I have just learned to work around it and never really thought very deeply about how it occurs..I used 8.5 for about 9 yrs and that also did it.

Me too, never had an issue..also use Kontakt as a one instrument only plugin..just load more instances if I have more instuments

I'll have to try it on my next project as those are all finished and backed up for the publisher..hopefully no edit notes will come back. Will see if I can replicate it on the current cue

it happened with 2 projects but they were both fine when I stopped using the lens I produce a couple of tracks each week so they were made in the latest version entirely , I've finished them now as the deadline was the end of April.

The global lens at the top right. It was one I had made myself a while back Sounds like the same glitch as you had though

I was about to say try setting the Lens to None ..i have had trouble with track folders when using my lens I made..everything goes a bit screwy

I use Track Folders all the time but I noticed that there seemed to be some weird glitch with them recently Folders not responding to the + or - button and tracks that were in folders appearing that they were outside the folder I was trying various things to stop it happening as I had work to do and a deadline tomorrow, when I found it was something to do with the Lens I was using. I'd flipped to my own Lens at some point toward the end of the project and when I switched back to "None" the weird folder behaviour returned to normal.

I am still using an i5 2500 and only switched from 8.5 when CBB was launched. Think I can still go a couple more years, definitely got good value from Intel. I've made just over 90 pieces of music since CBB came out ( for TV Libraries ), having an older processor doesn't really slow me down. Some track freezing here and there, maxing out my latency during mixdown all help. I'll probably go for an i7 when I do eventually upgrade.

Me too ! I just want things how I want them ? Hopefully it would not be a massive issue to make them movable , after all it's something we are used to being able to do in other software like Web Browser that we use daily

Yes but they are still locked to a certain order even so

Because when you have a lot of things docked it's easier to find the tab you want if they are within the first 1 or 2 This can change throughout the production process. So when I am in the initial writing stage I may want to use my PRV and Matrix view the most. Later on when the track is written and I'm mixing I want the Console view and Browser to be my main pair...If you write a lot of music these little things add up to a lot of time over a year.

Hi Mike I have a Focusrite Pro24 DSP running on Win 7 Pro , Core i5 with 16gb ram I'll have to make a note next time it happens, I make around 100 tracks per year so it's hard to remember. I am fairly sure it also happened with 8.5 which I used since it came out until CBB came along. So when it happens, you press play and everything sounds fine but the stop button remains greyed out and can't be pressed.

I have experienced the same bug where the stop button greys out and you can't stop the transport either with the mouse or by pressing the space bar..it just keeps on playing regardless. Like he said in the video you have to save the file and then quit and re-open to get it back to normal.

I've had it happen where two instances of Kontakt are playing the same thing even though only one of the instrument tracks contains midi data.

Try right clicking the freeze button and check the freeze options, I have some VSTi's that don't freeze unless I untick fast bounce. No idea why.

Sounds like you might have the midi input set to Omni in Kontakt..so it's picking up other midi tracks

I fully agree and it relates to this post from January as well but I still have to open Sonar 8.5 occasionally and it's surprising how much more compact it is . More tracks, faders, busses fit on my screens and yet everything is clearer to my eyes. Modern GUI design seems to be very 'flat'..muted colours and not much sense of 'depth'... whereas they use to be a little more photorealistic in the past which is easier to work with IMHO. I think I remember reading somewhere years ago the reason everything was more spread out is it allowed for better touch screen use. If they were going to overhaul it some sort of scaleable vector based GUI would enable losless resizing of things such as the faders mentioned in the post below

Yeah this would be great, so many people using Kontakt these days

8.5 was great ! I only stopped using it ( semi professionally ) when CBB was launched

Lol, how many do you need to sell to make back your investment ?

I think they expect the Browser drag / drop to be the way now..but yes it would be easy to add to the menu

What @abacab said ! Other platforms are much faster in terms of workflow for producers of Hip Hop & EDM etc because they have integrated samplers that just " work " right out the gate for what they need. I won't repeat myself..here is a link to my previous request which pre-dates this thread https://discuss.cakewalk.com/index.php?/topic/1148-seamless-deeply-intergrated-sampler/&tab=comments#comment-8767

In addition to my request for Nested Folders can I also ask that we have the ability to Export By Folder In the world of making music for TV & Film Libraries more and more of them are wanting stems. The easiest way to organise stems is by Folder ( not busses ) so the ability to Export them would be a huge time saver