Doug Rintoul

I don't own either the flute or the tenor sax but I received the offers anyway. I took the flute for a tenner.

This is what I see when I click on the first link: No mentions of version 3. This is what I see when I follow through on the second link and add the upgrade to my cart: Definite mention of Icarus3.

It seems that the cheaper link only upgrades to version 2. The more expensive link upgrades to 2 or 3.

That is for F'em, not Biotek 2.

There was when it first came out. But at $24-$39 for the full version, why would you need an upgrade offer?

Not in the case for Kontakt if history is any indication. Kontakt 5 was released in January 2012. Kontakt 6 was released in November 2018. Kontakt 7 was released in December 2022.

I'll wait for the VST version.

No reason at all not to love both. It is true that the developers have chosen to primarily focus on EDM itself when producing expansion packs but that is no reflection on the synth itself. There is nothing in Avenger that would make it inherently better for EDM and worse for Ambient, Cinematic or whatever. But if your primary motivation for buying a synth is its expansion packs and you are not into sound design, than you can safely avoid Avenger especially if the existing expansion pack don't meet your need.

Still not sure why people are trying to pigeonhole Avenger. First it is a preset machine, now it is an edm/house/dance machine? That is a load of bollocks. It is actually a general purpose supersynth. Just to be clear, I am not an Avenger Fanboi, just trying to prevent the spread of misinformation.

I don't get why people think this upgrade is just 250 more presets. Nor why people consider Avenger just a preset machine. Yes, it has a lot of (expensive) expansions (90+ for V1). But it is one of the most powerful synths on the market. Here is what the update really gives you. If you think this should all be giving away for free then I feel sorry for your entitled little minds. • up to 8 OSC Modules: each OSC with own V-Saw (Supersaw) (1-7 voices, 1-4 octs, pan spread) each OSC with its own vibrato LFO (which can modulate every V-Saw (Supersaw) voice seperately) each OSC with own Chorder (Note Stacker, Unison) each OSC with additional Sub OSC model each OSC can have its own synthesis model (see "GENERATORS" for details) • OSC Transformation parameters: Xcite (bending the waveform in any direction) Formant (pulse width modulate any waveform) Bit/Crush (Rate/Bit reduce any waveform) Sync (easy sync mode with built in modulation env) Volume / Pan / Transpose / Finetune / Random&Alternate Pitch Noise Generator (level, noise color / noise rate reducer, stereo spread) FM & AM (if you wish Alias free mode), FM source: countless basic waveforms, noise or own custom drawable shapes. Rate is syncable to semitones/octaves/7ths etc) FFT editor for each OSC Module: Edit all spectral content in realtime, delete odd harmonics, boost octaves performs morphs or create custom filtersweeps Randomizer many FFT presets (organ overtone registers, crazy stuff etc...) use our unique feature to randomly pulsate every band! • up to 8 ARP Modules: up / down / random / poly modes new randomizer module for the arp (let you randomize your arp patterns, with plenty of options and different scales) you can randomizes: note pitch, note length, silenct gaps, octaves, velocity, ratches and note connections (slides) "auto dice" feature: creates a new random arp on every pattern end different note scales (like lydian, dorian, pent minor or asian etc) new ratchet feature (you can now subdivide arp notes and even set their velocity and pitch) editable note lengths and note transposes / velocities each arp has up to 4 sub patterns (A B C D), means you can make complex melodies of 4x 32notes hundreds of ARP presets to chose from export the arp patterns as midi file • up to 8 Step SQ Modules: contour, decay, gate time, editable step lengths and velocity perfectly synces Step SQ Can be quickly used as TranceGate effect does not click stereo mode (L/R) comes with many presets, even such as sidechain simulations, rhythmic gates etc... • up to 8 Mod Envelope Modules: free configurable envelopes, add as many points as you like can also be in sync mode (quarter/triplet) to create moving and unique patterns countless trigger modes, such as firt/last notes, arpeggio, bassdrum from drum SQ etc can oneshot, loop, loop with release phase, ping pong etc... • up to 8 Pitch Envelope Modules: BiPolar Pitch envelope where you can add as many additional points as you like sync and trigger modes like in the Mod Envelope portamento modes: normal, poly, legato and poly legato (yes) with custom depth and portamento pitch curve editable Pitchbend lag time • up to 5 AMP Modules: OSCs can be routet in different AMP Modules: each AMP module has its own (analog) AHDSR envelope, but can be triggered from other env sources, such as MOD Envelope, too spike parameter, which REALLY spikes this time. volume / Pan / Keytrack stereo spread parameter • up to 5 FILTER Modules Master Filter Module: paralell filtering and complex filter routing is possible OSCs can be routet in different FILTER Modules each FILTER module has its own (analog) AHDSR envelope, but can be triggered from other env sources, such as MOD Envelope, too at the moment 47 Filtertypes, all basic filter types as well as analog filter, comb filter, talking/vowel filters, peakfilters, fm/crush, TB filter etc... resonance type selectable: additive or volume compensated each filter has Drive, Drive oversampled and a neat Comb filter • up to 5 SHAPER Modules: the Shaper modules add distortion (per voice!) for each osc which is routet into it at the moment 17 unique distortion models two pre distortion EQ bands to shape the distortion tone stereo split mode can be pre or post FILTER or AMP modules • up to 5 LFO Modules: 17 LFO Shapes to chose from 3 freely drawable shapes fade in / delay change offset (y axis) phase (x axis) countless trigger modes, such as firt/last notes, arpeggio, bassdrum from drum SQ etc of course syncable (normal, triplet, dotted), with extra long LFO times • Drum Sequencer: dedicated drum sequencer for the drumkits with up to 16 bars can also play drumloops in a perfect, transient conserving timestretch or turntable mode can do drum ratchets with many velocity presets swap drumsamples or loops on the fly with your own samples or from all installed expansions bit/rate reducer for every drumslot loops can use a built in sidechain effect pitch and amp envelopes for all drumslots triplet or quarter mode complex looping functions for drumloops each note has velocity, pan, pitch or gate time multiple selection tool: draw a box and select multiple notes, delete them, move them (with cursor arrows up/down/left/right) or st the velocity for all at once many special modes: flip, reverse, mirror, copy/fill blocks etc • OSC Quantizer: designed after the (eurorack) modular world locks and quantizes your oscillators to a specific scale (many scale presets to chose from, or do your own scales) this is essential for creating random-like, self playing presets with random melodies and rhythms many features and trigger options (sync trigger to an arp or a fixed grid) automatic midi follow or fixed scales ability to glide between quantized pitches 4 different patterns (which you can switch via modulation) • powerful routing system: add new modules and re-arrange the order the signal passes the modules for each OSC apply send FX complex filter routings graphic routing help system: rightclick on a module in the OSC routing diagram lets a cross-hair apear, to show you where this module is located in the GUI • unique new Modmatrix system: "Drag and Drop" creation of ModMatrix entries. Just drag a source and drop it to any target you want on the GUI "grouped" mod matrix. Means you can change all modmatrix assigments with 1 click to a LFO assignment for example " " (additive) or "%" (percentage) modes lag parameter. Smoothens the modulation, giving it inertia (for wha wha etc...) modulation shape (create linear or logarithmic modulations) cool new mod sources, such as PORTAMENTO glide (for example open the filter with the glide movement) almost everything in VPS Avenger can be connected and modulated • MACRO Controllers: All Factory presets are pre-routet with cool modulations on these Macro Controllers 12 Macro knobs 8 Macro buttons • up to 6 free routable FX busses: 4 Insert FX Racks with 8 FX slots each Send FX Rack Master FX Rack like in your DAW you can route the FX into each other You can route past the Master FX bus. For example can everything be compressed and limited on the Master Bus, except the Bassdrum, which will be dry routet to the output at the moment 34 FX types: Q4ntum multi FX Delay, BitBite, Env. Follower, RutaVerb, normal Delay, ArtsAcoustic Reverb, Trashverb, V-Verb, Room Sim, Impulse Response Reverb (with new IRs!), Gated Rev, Flanger, Chorus, Phaser, Multimod, Ministop (Tapestop!), Minichain (Sidechain), Bitcrusher, Distotion, Fuzzbox, Multiband Dist, Vinylizer, Waveshaper, Limiter, Compressor, Stereo Matrix, 4Band Equalizer, Multiband Limiter, Vintage Chorus, Vintage Flanger, Vintage Phaser, Rotary Simulation, Ensemble ARP, Ensemble 330 each FX type comes with many many presets. • Wavetable Envelope / Editor: specialized envelope for all wavetables can oneshot, pingpong, loop. Global or per voice "wobble" pattern generator. Unique new system, which lets you multiply, revese or flip the envelope with a pattern Fade in / outs, zoom, normalize, reverse for wavetables • further features: Mixer Page: all busses and tracks at once for mixing and levelling keyzones / velzones: create complex key and velocity zones with fade ins/outs for each OSC / drums support for MIDI foot pedals, breath controller etc. For example: with one click assign your expression pedal to move the modwheel or the sustain pedal to control the release / any other parameter global shuffle factor: All shuffles (ARP, StepSQ, DrumSQ etc) are linked to each other parameter lock: lock your shuffle, volume or filter settings during preset change powerful UNDO function: whatever you did, it can be UNDOne with 1 click real monophonic mode: multiple notes wont kill your original now when released. You will notice this immediately when playing Tooltips explaining each parameter (can be turned off) customizable INIT preset navigate with cursor keys through the library export your current OSC shape with 1 click. Whenever you created new and cool waveforms you can add them into your library as a new OSC shape. • Graphic / Librarian / Browser: new overhauled 2.0 GUI easy to use preset selector, Favourites, own expansions (with icons) Tag Cloud for every preset... tag based seach system File Browser for importing own drums, multisamples, shapes or wavetables VPS Avenger will come with more than 750 high quality presets from all genres GUI open for skinning / many different skins contained - more are available from 3rd parties. runs ultra smoothly in 60hz resizable skin in realtime - just resize it like a Windows window (if supported by host) everything is displayed in realtime, the waveform changes, the knob modulations etc. The presets come to life visually.

Just did this. Thanks! I was almost ready to pay $88 for Insolidus.

Good question. They are all bloated and sound pretty bad, at least to my ears. My experience is pretty much the same as is described in this VI-Control thread: https://vi-control.net/community/threads/im-seeing-muze-instruments-everywhere.124426/ More info is also included in this earlier thread: https://www.vi-control.net/community/threads/who-knows-this-company-sonex-strange-pricing.79952/ Muze has been discussed a number of times on this forum as well, and not in a positive light.

No. Just no. Not even at 100% off.

Ya. The upgrades are the same price as full.

No monthly coupon for November or December.

I got it as well.

November has 31 days?

Right. I used an email address that I had used in the past with the serialcenter

Didn't work for my gmail.com email. Did work for another one of my email addresses.

I stand corrected.

I didn't have the Polyphon so it was worth to me for the link to the free stuff to be posted. I also agree that 8dio makes gud stough as someone named @Fleer might say.

True. I only have 71 points. So still $300+ for me. Maybe I'll ask for it for Christmas.

I would if I had $400 to drop on it.

You can use the GROUP discount code at JRR to bring the price down to $67.19. That is not the $55 it could be with jampoints but might make it doable,

GROUP works for Tonex Max too. I am more tempted now.