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In the Track Pane: Volume, Pan, Gain, Aux1, etc are all the same blue color. We used to be able to change the colors of these parameters years ago in Sonar 8.5. They were all different colors and it was so easy finding them. Last I checked many years ago in 2017 when I was editing Themes, different colors were not available in the Theme to change. Does anyone know if these now can be different colors?

I have the Theme in my public folder of OneDrive. I added a Logic Theme folder. So I'll leave it there indefinitely in it's own folder, since it won't cause confusion with many files to sift through like I mentioned before https://onedrive.live.com/?id=C256E2DAE26B22A5!473&cid=C256E2DAE26B22A5 What I like about the theme is it's very functional, practical and easier to read and find things. I want trying to be cool - ha ha. Actually I missed a lot of the functionality of Sonar 8.5, which was lost when they decided to be cool. This is in some ways similar. Let me know how you like it

Yes I'll be happy to post my theme. My MS OneDrive sometimes gets full of other stuff. if I post it there it may be a while before anything else is uploaded there, so I'll do it. Unless someone has a suggestion. It seems to me Cakewalk should have a file area where users can post their presets, etc. maybe scook knows a good place to post it

And thank you for your patience and trying to help. scook and Colin helped immensely. So nice to have such expertise here

I got my theme completely updated. Once I got the work done on "Inspectors", there wasn't much left to do. I went through Morten's list and found 90% of the elements were grayed out, indicating there were no tweaks to those parts of the Theme and no need for copy and paste. I also found a quick way to copy and paste. For instance in "Inspectors" there's Clip Tab. Once you locate that in the Tuncury theme, you can select it on the left in the tree. You can either right click the image on the right of that and choose copy or just right click the tree entry of Clip Tab and choose copy there. Same with paste. It's a little quicker doing it this way, but either way works. I opened my new Logic Theme and it all looks exactly the same but ProChannel now shows up in the Inspector like it used to. Thanks scook and Colin and all. This will be a great tutorial post for others like me that were foggy on the Theme Editor. Once you get into it it's not hard.

In my Logic theme some of the elements are grayed out in the left folder tree. For Instance - Meter/key View. Does that mean there were no Theme changes to that element, so there's no need to try to copy and paste it? Thanks for your excellent help - this will make a great tutorial for others like me with a minimal Theme knowledge.

I went through all the changes in "Inspectors" and when I copied Track tab (small), paste wasn't available for that. It was greyed out. Is that because these were later additions to CbB and not present in my 2017 theme? None of the (small) tabs were able to be pasted. I assumed all the Arranger tabs and Tempo tabs were not needed since those are very recent additions, right?

I have both Themes open in different Theme Editors. This time I was able to copy then paste into Logic. So do I need to go through Morten's list and do the same for every element? Or do I use View and select Modified, Images and Filter to see what elements were modified first? And then only replace the ones that were modified or do I need to replace every single one?

Thanks for the great clarification. This all makes sense. The only question I have is how do I copy and paste from Tuncury to Logic. I can right click an element, like Clip tab, in Tuncury and can choose copy or export and when I go to Logic if I right click Clip tab I don't see Paste, only remove and import. How do I copy and paste?

Your method is so straightforward and easy to simply delete the element in this case - Clip tab. I noticed others saying they'd open 2 instances of Theme Editor and copy and paste elements back and forth. Is there any advantage to doing it that way as opposed to your simpler way? And if so, I found no way of opening the Mercury theme. I see no FTH file with that name only Tungsten. At first Morten's list seems overwhelming, but on closer view there are a lot of duplicates. I would assume it's best to start at the top of the list and go down and skip the duplicates. Thanks for all your excellent help,

I'm going to maintain my Logic theme myself. So here's what I'm doing: Open my Theme in theme editor. Double click on TungstenTheme.fth in Cakewalk Core to open a 2nd theme editor. It says untitled but I assume this is Tungsten. I looked at Morten's guide to the changes here https://discuss.cakewalk.com/index.php?/topic/13621-psa-theme-changes-updated-17-may-2021/ I see under "Inspectors" Clip tab as one of the changes. In the theme editor for Tungsten I see a folder on the left named Inspectors and see Clip tab, so I right clicked on it and hit copy. If I go back to the theme editor of my Logic theme and right click on Clip tab I can choose to remove or import but not paste. What's the best way to proceed forward? Or do I simply choose remove and assume that it will now be the default Clip tab without me having to import or paste it? I also tried the Views and selected Modified, Images, and Toggle filter (on), so I can see what images have been modified and need to be replaced with the default ones. Am I doing this right so far?

Very good investigative work. You found the original post by the creator of the Logic Theme - RFLint. I even see my posts in the thread and how others were commenting on what a good theme it was

Ok here are my theme files https://onedrive.live.com/?id=C256E2DAE26B22A5!105&cid=C256E2DAE26B22A5 logic GP 21 old.sth - I used this one since 2017 until 2021.04 and then saved it in the new Theme editor to this: logic GP 21.sth the oldest version or the themes I have is named: logical.sth I'm not sure why this name is slightly different from the old Sonar Themes website that I downloaded logic.sth But all 4 of these theme files are about the same size, so they must all be the same theme.

Thanks Colin you link was very good and in it someone gave a download link to the old Sonar themes almost all were created by Elffin. I wonder if he's still around? I found the logic theme that I use in the downloads https://app.box.com/s/jcaqb2lpcpi9f16uq99b1zvo9fmatnje?page=1

Is there a link we can click on that will take us to the new updated themes? Right now it seems you just have to go through all the posts in this Forum and find ones that say Themes and hope that the person actually gave a link to it. Does Cakewalk have a [public upload section for users to upload Presets, Themes, etc

This overlay idea you have sounds promising. Keep us updated on your progress. Maybe Cakewalk can help you develop this, since it would be good for them to have a simpler solution to this problem

Yes you are remembering the post. I do have some experience with tweaking themes, but this was back in 2017. scook told me to fix some elements but was very vague about exactly what to do. Even opening my Theme and saving it in the new Theme Editor was a quirky process and I was trying to help this other guy through it. So you're right I haven't made any tweaks to my Theme to fix this current problem. Like you I have zero experience designing themes, but I have made tweaks. I hope Cakewalk can give us better guidance, especially when we start running into more serious problems than just the ProChannel Inspector problem. Every time I made tweaks to my theme I renamed it, so i have 21 versions of it. That's a lot of work to redo.

I'm using Logical.sth, which tried to copy what it looks like when using Logic as a DAW. I made lots of changes to it. I'm not sure what's involved in me making changes to update my customized Logic theme, but I'd like to know what's involved.

I've been using a theme since 2017 and it's worked fine until 2021.04. I went ahead and installed the new theme editor and opened my Theme in it and then saved it. This was supposed to work, but doesn't. Currently the only problem is with ProChannel showing up correctly in Inspector. I'm just concerned that there will be more problems in the future. Has anyone found out a solution to this? I see many are posting new Themes and that's great. So maybe those persons can give some insight on this. Will there be a fix for my Theme or will I have to just scrap it and go to a new Theme? If so, i sure would be nice if the new Themes were all saved on a website where we could check them out. Instead of finding each individual post in this Forum. Many years ago when we were really into the Themes when they first came out around 2016 there was a website link like I described

Good post, Terry. I did forget to say that I always work with small clips, one or two vocal phrases and I immediately "bounce to clip". Then move to the next spot. I, as a habit, only have 1 project open at a time. I assume most V-Vocal users are already doing this. I'm a pianist so my template always has Ivory, Superior Drums and Kontakt synths connected. So my RAM is about 3.5 gigs. About a month ago I did forget to close and reopen CbB and I got a crash right away - oops. My method has been working 100% for a year or 2.

You've come up with a good method, but you're right it's a lot of extra work. The method I've come up with is easier and I never get a V-Vocal crash. I do have Melodyne Assistant (found a great sale) and have learned how to use it, but prefer V-Vocal. You're right there is some conflict with the VSTi's that causes it to crash. Once you export the music only tracks Don't delete the soft synths, just disconnect each one. Then you can just import that music only track back into the same project and also not worry about bouncing the vocal tracks so that they're one seamless wav file. Maybe this works because I close CbB right before I start using V-Vocal and then I reopen it by double clicking the file. This seems to be the key. Don't ever try to go from one project to the next, you have to close CbB and then reopen it with the file you want to use V-Vocal on. Maybe deleting the VSTi"s does the same thing as closing CbB and reopening. No need to create a new fresh CWP or do any bouncing. Try it - it's easy and works, never a crash.

Hey Jackson, yes strange indeed. Like you, I spent a long time trying to figure this out and I hope this post saves others from the frustration we went through. I hope Cakewalk makes this easier in the future for long time users like us. Once would think the renamed file would work, but no, you can't trick it into thinking this is a different file. It's weird, no doubt. Glad it worked, man.

Hey Jackson, I ran into the same problem. I know it seems crazy but load the old theme in the new theme editor, choose save as and look at which folder it's being saved to, but don't save it yet. Mine is like this: new theme editor and CbB use this folder for themes C:\Cakewalk Content\Cakewalk Themes - there's only 1 theme in there - logic GP 21.sth (this is my custom theme) here are old Sonar themes - which have all the old themes, which need to be updated if you want to use them C:\Cakewalk Content\SONAR Themes Once you're sure of the folder, then open the old theme in Theme Editor and go to that folder and just move that old theme file temporarily to any folder , now choose save as and this time you'll notice it has today's date not something in 2017 Ike mine was. It's not updated until you have the current date. There really should be an error message pop up so others don't go through this. You can't just rename it old, like I did. That didn't work for me either, move it out of that folder. You can do this, I'll help you. I wasted a lot of time to. I hope this post saves others all this frustration.

yes when you hit save, notice the date on the theme, it hasn't changed to today's date. I wish there was an error message. Once the theme is open in the theme editor, move the theme file to a different folder, then when you hit save as it will have today's date and be correct. It won't overwrite the old theme

Thanks that explains what I was seeing - makes sense