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Sorry, I don't want to spoil your loved forum! ? But my comment has not been targeted to CW, honestly! I think generally new releases of daws (any daw!), plugins, operating systems (especially!), ... cause often trouble with installation and new bugs! At least this is my perception.

Wow! The only thing that is missing as an Aria Pro II Bass! ?

I have the PSP 2445, the PSP Nexcellence and the PSP SpringBox and they are all excellent! ? That's the reason why I am very interrested in the PSP 42 and PSP 85 delays. PSP has really expertise in this area!

I am still waiting for the plugins that my voucher is targeted to. It seems they always discount the plugins that I already have or the ones I am not interested in! ? To be fair, it could also mean that I already own too many PA plugins! ?

It seems you forget trouble with installation and new bugs in new releases! ?

In spite of everything there has to be some reason for this in CW! ?

Man, I am waiting all the time that they throw such a sale on the PSP42 or PSP85 delay finally! ? Do they never?

That's exactly what I prefer! I also like those licences that "trust" the user so that you are able to install the software on all of your systems without hassle. Like that you don't have to be afraid (or minimum less) that suddenly you cannot use the software anymore (because of hardware change, ...). To me it makes a big difference if a software is calling home for installation/autorisation when it is being started (if the internet is available) to check the license or if I need a permanent login to use the software. For the same reason I refuse software with a cloud connection.

Essentially yes! You can use any Drum Replacer plugin like XLN Addictive Trigger, SPL DrumXchanger, ... in the FX of the recording track. It should also be possible to record the output of that track to another track if you want to save the result (not only hearing it).

That's exactly why I prefer an offline DAW! My biggest concern is NOT that these music programs violate my privacy, even if you never know where your statistic data goes to and how securely it is stored! But on one hand all this network traffic may disrupt your targeted work (e.g. music) and takes a lot of resources (Just look in task manager, it's scary!). Last but not least all this network traffic may have potential security issues and this is probably the worst thing!

Ahhh, the levelling is usable if you don't have something else! But I prefer to do levelling either visually with CbB (clip gain automation) or with DynaRide of TBProAudio. The problem with Melodyne is that you do not have a good audio representation IMO. The blobs are too fuzzy regarding loudness level and note starts (to me it looks more like in a comic book). You have almost no visual assistance, all must be done by ear! And you surely know how quickly you forget the loudness level after a part of the song has passed! ? Also it's difficult to find the real note starts in complex audio material like vocals/synth pads and this makes quantization very difficult. Some time ago I quantized a lot with Melodyne, but when I found out that it is 1000 times easier to find the meant note starts of a vocalist in the zoomed in wave form, then I began to work with AudioSnap or Stretch Markers of Reaper.

If it goes that way, then I maybe switching back to use Splat (as soon as the 6 month period is reached). But on the other hand I am anyway learning Reaper now! It has some great functions that I was missing (e.g. time stretching with natural pitch change, like tape recorders) and its footprint is sooo small. With the portable installation (even on an USB) it is so easy to install it on all my computers ... (without online quirk). Surely there are also some minor things I am missing.

I hope that they don't remove it ☹️, because I need it for offline autorisation and I do not intend to upgrade to newer versions of CbB anymore! Okay, as a last resort I could use Sonar Platinum if they do! ?

The only thing I have noticed is that in CbB Melodyne often jumps to different positions and it is very annoying always to scroll to the contents. And the new functions "levelling" and "noise/pitched recognition" are not that convincing IMO. The "more musical analysis of pitch deviations" is almost not noticable, the recognition of vocal notes is still very poor if it is not simple like in choir voices. Thus I don't know whether it was really valuable to upgrade for me. It sounded much better than it really is (especially the latter).

Yes I am aware, and I am very thankful for it! That's why my studio pc is 99.9% offline! ? But it does not solve the thing on my laptop that is mostly online. I don't want software to do stealthy online connections at all (it's enough with Windows 10 alone! ?). Okay, we trust in Noel that he is not doing something bad with the connection! But do we know who else has access to the code that makes online requests? Do we know how secure online access is coded in any music software (e.g. Melodyne)? Do we know how are the rules of law in the countries of the software production? Thus even if I can trust in a company there maybe holes in online stuff! This is the reason why I prefer not to do permanent logins into user software and why I prefer explicitly to call an installation process if online connections are required at all (I think it's even better if I can do offline autorisation on my online computer, too)! And the newer Cakewalk versions are a bit nebulous in this respect IMHO!

More and more it seems the title of the OP is true for me! I don't like any software doing any automatic internet access without asking me. Well, I am not dull, I know it gets more difficult each day to come! I don't say that the Bakers plan to misuse these connections, but on the other hand I am 100% sure that sooner or later there will be misuse by some developers out there. And the risk for us users is rising with the use of software like this! Some may say I am overanxious, but probably they will remember my words very soon! It may not be a problem if you have 2 programs doing this, but if you have 50 ... The users will lose control over internet access, this is sure!

True. But in my experience replacement is available for minimum 15 years back.

It is not only the hardware that can be a bottleneck, there is also the operating system and the DAW that need resources (some a lot!). That's why there can be so much difference in performing the exact same task with the same plugins in 2 different DAWs. Believe it or not, even if the plugin does the same processing in every DAW, there may not remain the same amount of resources for the plugin, because the DAW (or operating system, background process, ...) has eaten up too much. IMO it is a dark future! ? I am aware of this and there is no bad in this! But there is not only black and white, I mean it is quite a different how long older things are supported by different developers. I just don't like those ones like Apple that throw the past that quickly! Often it would not be required! Whether a developer writes spaghetti code that is a habit and it has nothing to do with the problem to be solved (e.g. supporting an older version). I am not aware of many old bugs fixed by a new OS, but I am aware of a lot of new issues with a new OS (version). ? No, without joke I am convinced that a new OS or new OS versions introduce more new issues than what they solve. Most of the time they only bring new features that only a handful of people really use! I don't want to offend the Bakers, but IMO there are some really great features in CbB/Sonar that would need some love (I like this saying, it's copied from you ?). In the last 5 or more years they introduced so many cool features that are not really finished (AudioSnap, Drum Replacer, ...), i.e. where you have to use workarounds from the old gurus to be successful. I am not talking about "obscure" bugs, but of evident behavior issues. There is some truth in what you say here and I surely respect your choice! On the other hand it is my belief that it is also not a good way to run a business with throwing away older resources too soon and follow all the rage! I prefere a good balance of both!

I like DynaRide of TBProAudio. It is very similar to Vocal Rider, but it has more options. It can also be used for riding bass, thus you do not need an extra BassRider!

There is one important thing missing in your comparison: The Company W10 leads you on a more dangerous route (you often have to be online and most people do other online stuff on W10), whereas the Company W7 takes a route outside that is almost hazard-free (usually offline). IMO this is a more realistic view of a W7 DAW system, because most of the people still using it for music keep it mostly offline!

On the other hand there are not so many developers that force you to the newest OS versions, i.e. if you avoid those ones you still have a lot of choice for music software!

This is one of the illusions that many "novelty-fanatics" have! I would say minimum 80-90% of the power of new gear is being eaten by new software (included Windows 10, and CbB). And we are not talking about the time lost to keep the software "new"! Regrettably there are not many software developers like Cockos (Reaper) that cherish the users hardware by producing really efficient software and respecting older systems! Yes, it is very different in that a lot of software has become less professional. If I compare contemporary software (plugins, DAWs and operation systems) with the ones of 10 years ago, then I can't see a lot of real improvements, but I see a lot of trouble for its users (bugs, permanent updates, instability, resource eaters, intrusion by online enforcement, authorization issues by system and hardware changes, ...). But you are right, we can't change the world, thus we have to deal with the future (that's often some kind of past!). For this reason I collect a lot of hassle free music software that does not have too many requirements. The image you paint of the future seems to be very dark! Just look at people using happily 20 year old software today (like old Sonar versions)! Most of this old software is still running perfectly. For emergency I have also 2 old harddisk recorders that are running without doubt and you can still buy similar ones!

What has it to do with CbB and the new tempo track? I wonder?

Sadly you are right!

I wonder about this sweetwater article (very blue-eyed)! Yes, the spec has been around for 10 years, but the last year I read about so many problems with VST3 (now with AAS), thus I doubt that "VST3 is as reliable as VST2.4" at all, that's bullsxxt! Also, even if the spec has been around for 10 years, many manufacturers did not jump to VST3 for years! I mean a lot of the conversion has just happened or is happening first now (there are even great players that have not yet jumped on VST3)! "Remember, the issue isn’t the spec itself — it’s the implementation.": It seems the guy who has written this does not have any clue about IT! Specs have a lot to do with implementation problems, especially if used cross-manufacturer! Most specs leave a lot of details open, the spec theorists say: This is not relevant! But often in the real world it is! I have found and understood several of such issues in my IT career.