John Vere

This is supposed to be the way it is but one regular member here has said this is just marketing hype and is not true. Possibly it was @User 905133

Interesting observations. This might be distantly related to why I am struggling to get my new system running smoothly. Its W11. Mostly everything went OK but as always installing all my plug ins is slowly becoming a nightmare. At the heart of the issue is Cakewalk simply crashes if I try and open any project with a missing plug in. So I’m forced to use safe mode and sort it out. Then the mysteries start as most of the errant plugs are actually already installed? Turns out they need to be in the exact same pathways are old system or Cakewalk crashes. I thought I sorted 90% of this out. But now after reading this topic you have given me another reason it might happen. My last system I almost always installed both VST 2 and the VST3 versions. This time thinking why bother with the VST 2 and I focused on only installing the VST3 versions. Idiot . I now see why Cakewalk is crashing when it seems it shouldn’t. I guess I’ll go back and re install the VST 2 versions and see. I personally have never seen the difference in the way a plug in works. You gotta realize the company responsible is Steinberg. A very Mac eccentric company. And they just like Mac love to force you to keep spending money if you want stuff to be completely compatible. I think I’ll stick with the VST2 versions for now too. Oh and I work at 256 buffer for last 15 years. I never change it. Because I use my interfaces direct monitoring I never notice any latency when recording.

I think I would reword that to “ It is aimed at Beginner EDM and HipHop producers”. It is the opposite of Cakewalk in that it is so uncluttered and stripped down it seems like if you had never used a DAW before then this will be a perfect choice to get you started. I’m not sure if anyone else has built such a streamlined DAW like this yet . Absolutely no hidden features. And I most certainly like that it has a lot of Cake ingredients baked in. But I’m off topic? Or am I. This happens when you shut down my daily distraction which is this forum. They should shut it down more often so I can make some progress ?

I sort of think that this latest release of Cakewalk has a lot more to do with testing Sonar than we might think.

I think they were doing some maintenance as I finally got around to installing Next because I wanted to check out the separation tool. I got a message that the file would be processed by the server and then it said server was not available. Next is sort of a very very bare bones Cakewalk/Sonar. I don’t think any of us would last 2 minutes before running into a roadblock due to a missing feature that we depend on. But I can see it will be perfect for the punters who would never use those features anyway because it’s over their heads. If you can’t figure Next out in 30 minutes you’re on drugs. I like it in its own simple cute little way and if this separation tool works I will keep it installed. Oh and there’s a zillion people asking about prices and “Is this going to be free?” On that Discord chat box

Looks like OP never got an answer. But possibly what they did was ask Ample Sound. Google your questions.

Yep. That seems to be common. Funny however that I just installed Cakewalk on a brand new machine and it worked and all in less than a couple of minutes. It seems to be related to how busy the new server is. Some of us have theory that they changed its location to like Asia so that’s made it worse for Europe and the America’s it think it originally was in the US.

Exactly. I guess only those of us who are here way more than is good for us notice this. But Byron is right. All these dozens of threads have followed the same format. We are not being negative and I feel pity on the pour sole who asks the question. There’s always been a core group of people who are pretty dang helpful and dedicated to the daily task of helping people even if they didn’t read the manual. But this particular question now will only result in exactly what happened here. It’s the internet get over it.

And here we go again please lock this it’s sort of pointless.

And he stole it from Latin America? Africa?

Yep. No danger of me monetizing a cover tune. I’m even careful as I make midi tutorials about what I play in the demo. I mostly choose my originals. I have found that the robot detectives don’t seem to spot midi generate backing tracks. They are as you say just way to far off base. And even Dentist offices have to pay for Muzack. My wife worked most of her career in them. In the past you had to pay for a service and it was expensive . Using your own CDs or even the radio was not allowed. Now all they need to do is pay for a Spotify account. I played at an annual local event for years and out of the blue they got a warning from Socan that they need to pay. I told them to tell Socan all the bands only play original music. They never heard a word back. Im almost done with cover songs anyway. Starting to head into the wonderful land of gigs that want original music.

Sorry but there’s nothing even close that is free. Bad advice.

You can use any EQ you want to use. Last time I counted I had over 50 different EQ’s. And they are all free. Last one I’d use is Sonitus only because it is DX now an unsupported format. Not so future proof. And even though I have a lot of choices, guess which one I decided was the best for my use. And the Pro Channel is the perfect place because I can have it first in the signal path.

It would be super popular with people that make backing tracks for live performance as well as Karaoke tracks. It would probably be breaking all sorts of copyright rules but if used by individuals and just at local performances doubt if they would ever be called out on it. I would never use an original version as a backing track but what comes to mind is if you could break a cover song down into a lot of separate tracks you then could then convert a lot of it to midi. Now you can use that to roll your own version and not breaking the law anymore. This would save me a little bit of work. Right now I just drop the original song in a project and re play the parts by playing along with it. It drag the song to the timeline first to create a tempo map. So I can see the stem separation working at least to rip the bass part and parts of the drums. You’ll never be able to turn cymbals into midi properly. Anyhow yes a useful tool in many ways even for real musicians.

Just a warning that 127 max is often not always the best sound from some midi instruments. Like hitting a piano the hardest it can be harsh. Don’t use velocity for volume unless that harshness is desired. Sorry I don’t have an answer but I’m sure there’s lots of options for this like a CAL script or just buy dragging the velocity lines like I do.

Holding Ctrl / drag makes a copy and holding shift at same time keeps its position on the grid.

No we are keeping this a secret. Only regular forum members are allowed to know the secret which is really hard to find because there are only 3 posts a day asking the question. Only people who read the announcements are in on it.

I guess they replaced them with the Scarlett suite but side by side they are very different and the bummer is out of 50 free compressors I really liked that one a lot. It’s obvious because it’s on a lot of my vocal tracks from over the summer. And I guess I must have stumbled on one of the articles with the link back last winter. I just can’t believe I’d loose the installers. But I just got help with that this morning in a PM so I’ll see what happens next.

I'm with you on that one. I never toss out old computers> I either give them away or shelve them. I have at least 3 laptops running W7 and 1 I still use at gigs for playback. I then have a desktop and a laptop running XP. I need those for my old Epson CD printer. I was impressed that I can still purchase the ink for it. Not that I print many CD's anymore. It still has Cakewalk Guitar Studio from 2004 running on it. The Desktop still has the awful Sound Blaster PCI card. And Wave Lab and Cubase Elements 7 will continue to run on my now retired DAW a 2012 HP pavilion i7 4 core. I bet I can keep it running for another 10 years. So there you go Steinway, I'll get 20 years out of your software thank you. That old DAW is actually still a very good computer. I always add newer better components, just put a brand new OS drive and upgraded RAM to 32 GB, and new Power supply. It was just time I upgraded mostly due to video issues. I just pulled the 2 SSD Data drives and put those in the new machine and in just a day and a half it's all working real good. Video editing is mind blowing now, instead of crashing all the time. I will continue using the old DAW to test stuff and it is a back up with all my authorizations still intact. Yes the older XP and W7 computers don't see the internet much if at all. You actually can't open the internet on XP anymore. The internet tells you your browser is out of date. Ya, by over 20 years.

Well only thing I found was this which was when I was researching for the video. Looks like last January 6 2023. 19:41:54) *** john vere joined the chat *** (19:41:55) john vere: I cannot find info about purchasing a Red 3 compressor (19:42:47) Craig W: hello there (19:43:15) john vere: yes what has happened to the RED Compressors? (19:43:40) Craig W: let me connect you with one of our awesome customer support team to help you with that (19:43:50) john vere: thanks (19:46:32) John Harper: hey John (19:46:57) John Harper: have you registered a Focusrite device at customer.focusrite.com? (19:48:21) John Harper: I see you have an account with a 6i6, so you can access Red Plug-in Suite here: https://customer.focusritegroup.com/en/my-software (19:48:30) john vere: Yes and it seems it's no long available when you purchase an interface? I have them all but am producing a you tube reviewing a bunch of free compressors (19:48:54) John Harper: it's available for you here - https://customer.focusritegroup.com/en/software/red-plug-suite (19:49:01) john vere: I want to say it's included free but seems that has changed? (19:49:15) John Harper: it's free with registration of a Focusrite device (19:49:49) john vere: OK so you say it's still included when you purchase a Focusrite product to all? (19:50:01) John Harper: yes that's correct So obviously at that point I didn't have the Midnight Compressor. Outlook seems pretty thorough at listing any e mails with the word Focusrite in it. I even tried Midnight and found some band emails about learning In the Midnight Hour. So looks like it's still a mystery where I got it from.

Good one, thanks, of course they would have sent some sort of link. I'll go start digging. I think it was only last year when I was making a video about using free compressors and I stumbled on the Focusrite deal somewhere. Quote: "It is our mission in life to gather to us all that is free for the taking" some unknown plug in hoarder

It was one of many compressors I have and I like it. I have the Scarlett suite installed because I had saved the installers and the serial numbers. But now I'm not sure where the heck I got the Midnight suite from? There's nothing about it on the Focusrite web site. Google search only finds old reviews etc. There was one article with the title Focusrite Red and Midnight suite are now free and a link. The link takes you back to Focusrite and the red suite is the only thing listed. Anyone have a clue ? I spent an hour on this and got nowhere.

It is sort of at the top on the Home Page but hidden in Jesse's post which when I look at it you do not see the word Sonar. What would work is if the forum software had a toast with a "don't show this again" box that presented important updates. Putting them in a thread on a page you might not even open sort of keeps the information hidden. I predict that when the day comes that the free version stops activating this forum will be flooded with threads started by people who have been busy making music and so totally out of the loop. Example I use lots of software that I at one time I joined the forum to ask a question and have never returned. I'm a classic one post wonder on many user forums. That's because I am in the habit of just Googling the question and finding an answer pretty quickly. But sometimes user forums are the only source of up to date info. I can never understand people who ask questions on this forum when Googling the question would have given them instant gratification. Like this one. Try it.

I think you somehow worded that wrong? Or if what you are saying is that generally we should keep updated with both software and operating systems then this is not the case. This is a case of software made for W7, then updated to for W8 and W10 ( versions up to 2015) not running on the a currant OS. Steinberg has been accused of messing with the downloads for older versions on the Web site so that they won't run on newer OS. This makes sense from a money making prospective and I'm not saying it's wrong, it just sucks. This is the same situation as Cakewalk and W7 but in reverse. It's not supported but go ahead and use it at your own risk. And it works. Cakewalk has been over the top when it comes to customer service for legacy products and keeping a huge range of years all compatible. I prefer to support the companies that support me. I got way more than my moneys worth out of Wave Lab and I would upgrade if the price was reasonable. And I looked at the features and not much has changed and absolutely nothing new was added that I need. So keeping version 7 of Wave Lab is not like Using Sonar X2. But knowing my $150 will only last for a few years just makes that worse. My first use way back when was for all my mastering as well as I had the Tool Copy system set up from Cakewalk. But over time Cakewalk and my expertise at using it have made Wave Lab more obsolete. The big reason it would still be my first choice for topping and tailing is the workflow is by far faster than Cakewalk or even other wave editors. With a little effort I can make Cakewalk export the song the way I want the beginnings and endings, it's just you have to go through the whole waiting to render and export that's a time suck especially when you have 100 backing tracks your working with. In Wave lab all your files are in a browser. You select a song, chop chop save done. You can do a song in 20 seconds. Oh well I get over it.

I was adding my custom keyboard shortcuts to my new install last night and found the L key was unused by me. So that’s now the Buss pane. Once you do this you think, man why didn’t I do this 18 years ago. Z= open regional effect Melodyne X= Render regional effect V= Save N= Transpose L= Buss pane The Melodyne short cuts have saved me a zillion moves already. One hand over keyboard, one hand on the mouse.