John Vere

I’ll have to look it up but intrusive must be the opposite or intuitive

I’ll vote for this idea. I hate opening the pro channel just for this very reason. I’m forever having to minimize each module just so I can see what the heck is in there. The EQ takes up half the space.

Making the tutorials makes me dig into all corners of Cakewalk. Places I don’t always use routinely. The Event List. It’s sort of super clunky to use in regards to selecting a track. I was thinking a mini track view side window like the PVR How about removing all the old menu items left behind from old version and only keeping say 2 at the most. I counted 9 ways to insert an instrument track. And now there are 2 different dialogue boxes that will appear depending on which method you choose. How hard would it be to say link inserting from the synth rack to the new improved dialogue box. Most of the software I use will only have one menu and one dialogue box per feature or action.

Myself if I’m using a pedal it is going to be where it was designed to go. Directly from my guitar and Before my amp. I rarely record electric guitar directly because electric guitar needs an electric guitar pre amp to respond to. The whole thing with playing electric guitar is the pick ups, the pedals and the amp all reacts to your playing. And your playing is effected by the sounds you’re getting. You play to the effects. My preferences is to use my pedals and amp to get the sound I want and record it. But sometimes your not dead sure and then a boring dry guitar track might work better. I often record both the amp and a dry signal. My Boss tuner has 2 outputs. Some interfaces offer a dedicated hi z jack which is a decent option if your plugged in directly. If I do go direct I use a Zoom multi effect pedal last in the pedal chain. My delay pedal is second last My overdrive pedals first. If I want clean and dry I just put the Zoom on bypass mode. The Zoom seems to give me a better punchy track than if I go directly from my guitar. But the thing is there are no rules you can’t break. So just try it. It will either give you a sound you’re after, or suck.

Yes you might want to file that ticket. It should have worked. I’ve done that a zillion times and it has always worked. Only thing I can think of is that the drive your copying to has an issue but that makes no sense too

Funny thing is there's a thread I just read where the OP is mad about the Basic workspace complaining there's way too much stuff still?? Sorry folks, Cakewalk has a lot of stuff. If you don't like that then use Garage Band. I use a lot of software that has a zillion menus. That's what good software needs to have more than basic functions.

Ya, I have scanned all the freebie Delays and downloaded a few. Not even close. It seems odd because delay doesn't have to be as complicated as a lot of them seem to be. I got spoiled by my Yamaha 01v delay which had tap tempo and a very similar interface as the Sonitus. I have been trying the Voxingo Tempo delay that seems the best so far,

I suggested this way back in this thread but the OP has not seemed to follow through with proper trouble shooting. Also MsMcleod pointed out the multi channel set up also involves setting outputs in the VST. The screen shot clearly shows the Cello routed to the Master LR output. My Video very Cleary shows how to insert a multi channel set up using the TTS-1 as example. The instructions will be the same for any instrument that supports multi channel set up. People need to realize that the instrument tracks inserted represent OUTPUT not CHANNELS. That is set within the VST. I believe the corruption might be using this weird Append Instrument function?? I actually had never heard of this feature but I see it is in the track pane dialog. It might have become corrupted in a update but because no one uses it, nobody caught it yet. There is many things not done right here so starting over is best way. I would start a new project, follow the instructions in my video, and drag the midi tracks to the new projects.

You can drag the audio tracks to the time line and that should create a tempo map of the song. Then make a midi drum track with whatever sound you want on the down beat.

Yes the pro channel seems to show instead of the track strips but that’s easy to toggle Watch my Navigation video for that. Also the one on VST instruments And the Audio one explains signal flow. Yes a small mixer might be a good solution and they certainly are handy for other things I have one so I can keep all my hardware plugged in including my Yamaha DX drum kit. What I like is it makes headphones mixing super fast. And louder too.

That sounds more like the issue I demonstrate where the track inspector settings overrule any patches set in a VST GUI. There can also be PG changes that are on the event list but that isn’t common when it’s your own from scratch project. Also I’m not sure if you have found in the VST settings where to assign channels to different outputs. As in what @msmcleod shows you.

I think it’s a mistake to set the default for first time users with a basic workspace. In every tutorial I make I have to start with “ Make sure to use the Advanced Workspace so you will have all the options “. Otherwise how can I demonstrate an important feature when they are sitting there scratching their head wondering why my screen looks different than theirs.

Yes not that long ago I needed Tru Piano’s? Vvocal? I think it was. So I ran 8.5 install and managed to get what I wanted but with a bare bones 8.5. It takes up very little space. And it comes in handy for if the one in a million die hard users ask a question here. It didn’t seem to corrupt CbC The Sonitus stuff is DX like the Tts1 so they are becoming very outdated. Sad as many of us still like to use them. But I’m slowly finding replacements Only one I haven’t replaced is the delay. Can’t find anything close in design ( for free?)

The pro channel is for inserting effects to a track. It is not for routing audio. I think you’re over boosting the signal using that effect. Don’t. The instrument track you inserted will need the input echo button on and have its output set to a master buss which should then go to your sound device. To hear the VST drums your headphones will need to be plugged into the computer or audio interface not the drum brain. Unless you have an audio connection from the computer to the auxiliary input of the brain if it has one. Then you’ll hear both. The midi connection over the USB cable doesn’t carry audio. Only midi data. Use WASAPI exclusive mode to try and reduce the latency. Otherwise you are bound to hear the VST drums later than your drum kit. This makes playing un enjoyable. if the VST has a stand alone mode you might be better off using that.

Ok Thanks again. I tried 2 computers and 2 browsers before posting. I’m not about to go to that sort of trouble just to use a web site. Oh well. The more I use the documentation the less I find. I think you’re the only one who can actually find stuff on it. ?

I have an untested theory that under certain conditions if you forget to stop the transport during even playback the project thinks it’s that long. So if you started the transport and left if going for 12 hours the project is now 12 hours long as far as the view is concerned.

I'm trying to look a few things up and I notice that all the diagrams and pictures are just a tiny Icon. I can click it and it says to load picture but nothing happens. What I'm trying to find out is in regards to moving a clip to a new track below the original. it seems to me If I hold down Ctrl and drag the clip it will make a copy in the new track- If I hold down shift the clip will move and land exactly in the same place on the time line you can't drag it horizontally at all. I cannot find this as a fact in the documentation anywhere. Are there more?

I think we were typing same time. You can open the dialogue in the synth rack it’s on the top right. Also you can just insert a midi track and point it to the instrument. At this point what I would do is drag all your midi to midi tracks. Save the synth set up as a pre set. Delete synth and all the associated tracks. Use the Add Track widget and choose the synth Then in advanced choose the multi track output option. This will insert the synth with a simple instrument per track. you can also create a folder here. Now drag and drop the midi tracks back to the new instrument tracks. Hold shift so they don’t wander off grid Load your saved pre set to regain your previous settings

Thanks a ton for your feedback. I appreciate it more than you might realize. And mostly because of it I will redo the video and add the missing info. As I said above as I make the videos I try and explore all options and as a result learn how stupidly complicated Cakewalk is. I would love it if they only had one way. That’s the way every other software works. I think I’ll change it to there are 9 ways to insert a VST I’ll show you the few that most people commonly use. Back to your issue. I see nothing wrong with your set up. Until I explore this append option however I can’t comment on if that might be the issue. But I can see that if you had inserted the synth and choose multiple outputs you would not have had to add the extra tracks later. Have you opened the synth rack to check you don’t have more than one instance of that synth inserted? I will also point out when I redo the video the options in the synth rack to show the insert dialogue box. In the mean time try the new Add Track dialogue as it’s a more user friendly interface

@msmcleod. Excellent screen shots but. That’s all clearly shown in the video. I demonstrated all 9 ways to insert instruments. As well as all the ways to use both dialogue boxes to select all the options. Everything is covered very clearly. Including setting up 4 outputs in TTS1. I can understand that experienced users don’t want to waste time watching tutorials but I personally would like comments and feedback as I’m willing to make changes so that this series is as accurate as I can make it. There are many videos kicking around but every one I watch has either outdated info or only shows you one way to do something when there are multiple options available. I’m trying to show all options and let the users choose which one works for them. This is especially true with soft synths. I have only ever used the synth rack to insert instruments and I don’t even know when the new Add Track button appeared. I also always avoided Simple Instrument Tracks. I Always used instruments plus a midi track But for making the tutorials I explored all the options and now I see the benefits of the new dialogue box and using Simple Instruments. Exploring all the options has taught me dozens of better workflow methods. My concern here is that the video didn’t work for the OP and I’m wondering why. Did I miss something? Was I not clear? It boils down to either I’m a pour teacher or they are a pour student. A good teacher should be able to teach anyone, even those who have difficulty. So this is important to me. That video took 2 weeks to make. I need to decide if it’s all worth it before I spend the whole winter either contributing or wasting my time.

When I'm demonstrating the original dialog box I show you the ask every time box, it is not available in the new dialog. I actually don't know what you mean by " Append midi track" ? Never heard of that. I see it's a menu item under Tracks, but its always greyed out no matter what I select? A search of the documentation ends with nothing. I can only think it's not what you use to set patches, you use the inspector or the GUI of the instrument. If you use the GUI the INspector is set to none, I'm very clear about this in the video. So possibly your workflow is different than most. In the video I clearly show you how to use all the option of inserting tracks and how to set the patch and bank changes. I've never had it not work since I learned all that. The only thing that sometimes happens if it is a downloaded file then there might be program changes you might find in the event list.

I cover this in this video if you have further questions please ask

This is actually still the old Cakewalk/ Sonar forum. It got moved and re branded when Bandlab took over. Many here like me still have Splat installed as to get the add ins that came with it. There’s not much point using an old version anymore you but the stuff that came with Sonar is not available to new users of the latest Cakewalk. So once you get your access to your account make sure to download and make backups of it as well as copy all the serial numbers to a word document. X3 is my treasured copy because it was the last one made for true offline install and activation. I hope that never happens because I depend on the better features that Cakewalk now has.