Will.

Hi Team.

Future request for Meters to switch with the interleave between Mono and Stereo.

~W~

On 10/9/2020 at 3:02 PM, Javi Grex said:

As gain and pan envelopes, I would like to change the pitch via envelope (no changing the whole pitch for the entire clip). With this we'll be able to make "a kind" of tape stop effect (for example).

I think there is no other way to do it, right?

On 10/10/2020 at 6:30 PM, Josh Wolfer said:

This might be difficult to implement in a way where the quality is satisfactory to you. I like the idea though.

What I do today to do this kind of thing is to use Cableguys Shaperbox 2, specifically TimeShaper2. It's some of the coolest sound design tools I've picked up for certain things. Pretty powerful. 

On 10/10/2020 at 6:31 PM, Josh Wolfer said:

I think there are DJ tools that do this, like Serato, but I'm pretty sure Serato is AU only. I really wanted to get there time and pitch plugin, but it's just for protools... meh. 

3 hours ago, Thierry said:

This is a feature that is really lacking in Cakewalk.

Oh - This is easy! Been available for a few years. 

Step 1:

Step 2: 

Step 3: Go crazy. 

Note: Your Midi Keyboard need to be connected for this to work. 

Have fun! 

Hi Team. 

Can we please get the Renaming of tracks to follow in clips, or the Renaming of clips to follow in tracks? Another awesome feature would be to have a next button in the dialog box, to eliminate having to exit everytime. 

Another way this could be done, is to synchronize that orange highlighted little box on the track number to the Rectangle Indication box around the name, so that those can work in line with that of the clip.

Right now, the white highlighted area with those of the track works independently. When you sometime use the directional arrow key, it falls on the Solo, Mute, phase, Write or Read button at times - making it impossible to move to the next track to rename by pressing ENTER. 

I know this can be done in the Track Tab, but using shortcut keys is much more convenient. 

52 minutes ago, Mark Morgon-Shaw said:

Not sure that having a track that's not really a track but serves another function is a smart design choice 

I mean you could insert a track that's barely got anything on it and chop up the clips and name them whatever you like if it helps keep you organised

I just use Folder tracks  and would welcome the oft requested Sub Folders

Yep. 

Can we fix Replace Old With New in preferences for the official release? This use to work in previous versions - as I use this a lot with replacing samples. 

32 minutes ago, Nigel Mackay said:

A folder only half works. I think the OP wants the background of the track painted as well. So you get a thick red stripe right across the screen.

Lol. The folder is just there. Look at the Aux tracks between. I use my Group Aux tracks as a divider between multiple tracks and obviously color tracks to identify each Group track with that of its tracks. 

1 hour ago, scook said:

Here is how to get both tracks to the master using a patch point

To control the level of Track 2 level independent of Track 1 the send should be pre-fader. The image above shows the send post fader. Click the Post button to change the send to pre-fader.

Yeah, I figured it will go there. I was hoping to avoid that, as the discussing is not on how to execute a send or routing with a send -- "Hence" my so many other threads on this when it's done with instrument track as a direct Wet/Sidechain track. 

I'll keep exploring my way, maybe i'll across a way without having to rely on the "regular" send inserts. I always improve my workflow and the creative aspect of the mixing field everyday. 

16 minutes ago, scook said:

Just ran a test as described in the OP. Here is an image of the result

I use an extra bus after the Master but this does not matter.

I used MOscilator to generate a constant sine wave instead of an audio clip but the results were similar when using an audio clip.

Notice all the volume faders are at unity (the gains are too) and all the meters read the same.

 

Edit: added demo using a clip in track 1 instead of MOscillator

One would think by sending a copy, it would create the stereo image in discussion. 

15 minutes ago, kc23 said:

These answers suggest you don´t have a good grasp on how signal flow and/or the routing in CbB work.

Seriously! You're gonna make silly assumptions like that?

Ever heard of exploring idea's and suggestions? 

3 minutes ago, scook said:

To get the levels the same on both tracks in the OP make sure to pan the send either full left or right.

 

There's no send Inputs with that. 

23 minutes ago, scook said:

Seems like one would get the same result by setting the track interleave to stereo, add Channel Tools to the FX Bin and delay one of the channels; avoiding the extra routing.

Yeah, but wouldn't it be awesome if it can be done without the use of a plugin like the channel tool. Plugins sometimes adds the unwanted color or signal you don't really need for that specific use/project. 

I use the channel tools frequently with other plugins in it's category, but often always comes with limitations - like with automation and sound design. Not to mention having to duplicate the track then to achieve the idea you are after -- adding more strain to your CPU usage. 

The PLUS side of this is - you can then set the pan levels to a specific setting in the stereo field and use a Widening pluging to further enhance the stereo. I think you'll be able to achieve great things with it -- I know I do when I use duplicate tracks, but that comes with it's own phase issues. 

Oh! By the way! Those Output and Input names you see there are the patch point "Renamed."

12 minutes ago, scook said:

The image above shows

• Track 1 routed to Vocal
• Track 2 routed to Master
• Master shows a signal on the right side only (Track 2 only?)

Vocal, the target of Track 1 is not shown in the image. Where is it?

 

Didn't bother to route it, as it does'nt make any different. 

Yes:

Track 1  is routed to Track 2  Via patch-point -- with the input of track 2 going into Track 1 (Vocal track.) This creates another copy of Track 1. So, I assumed that it would be possible to pan them individually on opposite stereo fields. 

1 hour ago, Robert L. Bryant said:

Dear Cakewalk Programmers:

Is it possible to add a special feature in the track view of Cakewalk to allow for an empty track?  An empty track without any audio, that can be used to separate specific parts in the composition flow? Allowing color changes and the option to add names to the track could be useful in organizing composition flow. This could be accomplished by a drop down choice named "blank" or "empty" or "separation track"?  I think this would be a very useful addition. Thank You!

 

Are you talking about something like this? 

1 hour ago, Starship Krupa said:

Thanks for keeping this old fogey up to date.

Lol. It helps to stay up to date of how the business are changing commercial wise. Plus, being involve with the youth and their way of handling the business today, helps a lot with my company. It's been said a million times over-and-over -- your biggest major genre today is HipHop and EDM and if you want to compete in the industry, that is where you need to invest your knowledge in. Digital Marketing, Sales, Revenue, Promotion Campaigns, Merchandise and P.R is all digital today. 

I have one Mono vocal track that I've recorded for testing, (Mic check, 1;2) as I'm always trying to improve my workflow and such. 

Here's the deal, creating my own balancing 2-in-1 Stereo/Width Track, without having to duplicate and nudge one channel slightly by 5 Ticks -- is a huge deal for me to improve my sound and quality. There's great plugins for this out there, even the Channel Tool that comes with CbB ain't that bad. 

Steps for this: 

1: Take an Audio File and load it up in a track. Pan it Hard Left.

2: Go to the output of the track and route it as a patch point. 

3: Create a second Audio Track next to it, Now route the Input of the second audio track to the patch point. 

4: Pan it Hard Right and Balance the track out as seen in the Picture above  

@msmcleod I know you'll be able to help with this. After setting this up, why does the output come out as a Mono Channel as seen above with the Master track? Shouldn't this be a true Stereo Track? As a copy was send to the second track to create that field? You can hear that it's leaning more towards the right channel than the left. 

PS: Those Output and Input names are the Patch Points Renamed. 

8 hours ago, Lord Tim said:

why would I even want to use something other than the plethora of existing messaging apps

Sorry to raid on your parade: You're not the only one using Cakewalk or this forum. You will always have the option to stick to doing business from your house phone. 

I bet you the new generation will have a field day with this. Being able to Video or Voice call or instant messaging from within your DAW's mobile app would be a PLUS and those that will download the app. No other DAW has a platform like. 

But now of course, why would you find this interesting when you're stuck to old habbits. I think I see a resemblance here some where. 

I'm gonna leave you to it. Feel free to write another short novel as a reply.  

36 minutes ago, Starship Krupa said:

Why so angry? 

Exactly! 

41 minutes ago, Lord Tim said:

Have you looked at the Bandlab app? CbB allows songs to be exported to Bandlab, which in turn has tip-jars and media hosting, very much like Soundcloud.

Lol. Like I said, they are two different platforms. The Bandlab Music App is for music creation and of course also for uploads. 

The Cakewalk app will be for everything related to the "Cakewalk forum" as it is now -- with just the exception of having it as a instant communication app in the palm of your hands. 

Instant communication and uploads (The same as instant messaging.) 

12 hours ago, Frank De Baere said:

Hi,

It would be nice if there was a possibility to color the markers on the Time Ruler.

 

Frank

Uhmmm . . . .

You could try going in to Preferences and change it there? 

Set according to taste - it works for me. The fact that it never gets attention on the forum, is probably because the option has been possible in Cakewalk for years much like all other similar requests. I only request something if I can't find it under Preferences. 

Enjoy. 😀

5 hours ago, Starship Krupa said:

Can you please describe the mechanism in more detail

Nice Try. Unless you're a staff member - I don'tsee the point in me going that deep to reveal market strategies with you. 

5 hours ago, Starship Krupa said:

Then what did you mean 

Exactly how I've put it down. 

5 hours ago, Starship Krupa said:

 

 

I know how WhatsApp makes money

Does not sound like it, cause you're asking the same question repeatedly over-and-over just differently. 

5 hours ago, Starship Krupa said:

My own professional career in software did indeed end in the '00's, so I assume that for an app (by itself) to make money, it must be supported by sales of licenses, by advertising, or by donation. If it's not one of those then the app can be a loss-leader

Totally agree. You've been left behind much like a "loss-leader." 

5 hours ago, Starship Krupa said:

So please either tell us which of those things would be present in your proposal or describe how else you suggest "the usage of users using the app" will translate into funds that can be used to "create new FX/instrument plugins for the DAW and more."

Like I said, I don't the point in discussingit detail if you're not a staff member. I think it's pretty clear enough in my previous replies. 

You don't have to fully understand the reasons, you just to agree or disagree without bringing negativity in to it. The virtual/digital world works differently today. 

5 hours ago, Starship Krupa said:

As such, the app would be a cost center, not a revenue center.

This is where you are 100% wrong. HENCE -- the statement I made about bringing negativity in to this. 

FYI - just because something is "free" to the public, doesn't mean you can't make money from it. It's only free because there's no "service fee; registration fee; or subscription fee." 

FWIW: Do you really think Whatsapp or Messenger is free? Do you really think apps where you can upload your songs for free downloads and streaming are free? and that users and the devs can't or dont actually earn an income from it? Everything on a "Free app" cost you, the user, money to use it.

Do you think Google run on battery life alone? Do you really think they make money just from Ads? For every text you send, it cost you money/data to browse or upload or download a file (whether it's free open Wifi.) It costs someone a few bucks to provide "free wifi" at a coffee shop -- it's free to you, but someone paid for it and everytime you use it someone makes money from that.

"So Again, everytime you send a text/browse or download or upload a file, it cost you Money/Data and everytime you use that Data someone else gets richer."

So if you're onboard with this - Yay! If not, dont be selfish -- you're not the only one using this platform. This idea might benefit the next struggling musician/producer with such an app. Most importantly, It could help develop the brand further. 

I'm gonna leave it there. 

57 minutes ago, Starship Krupa said:

Since BandLab are not interested in monetizing the app itself, I doubt that they'd be much interested in monetizing the app's supporter forum.

BandLab already have platforms where users may publish their music for free and even sell it if they want to, without BandLab taking any cut. They seem pretty firm in not wishing to make any direct money from their DAW-related enterprises.

Having someone use an app that is given away for free in and of itself does not, of course, create revenue. It's when the site that the app is an accessory to displays advertising that the owners make money. I wouldn't like having advertising appear on my app's support forum. From an etiquette standpoint, it's just not done.

There are even existing plug-ins that were part of the Cakewalk Inc. IP purchase that people like me would line up to pay for directly if we could. The LP Multi-Band compressor is one that comes to mind. So far it's not a priority.

Dont be stuck in the 00's.

No one mentioned anything about monetizing stuff or ads being placed on an app. How do Whatsapp make money? Do you see any ads on whatsapp? 

See this is the problem - when you don't understand something you shouldn't speculate on it. 

FYI - The bandlab platform and the Cakewalk forum are two different brands. Another reason why Cakewalk need young blood on their Dev team. 

You can try this so long. 

46 minutes ago, Jim Fogle said:

@Will_Kaydo

Your suggestion is unclear.  Are you suggesting a Cakewalk by Bandlab DAW mobile app or for this forum to have a phone screen compatible mode?

No! A MOBILE APP FOR THE FORUM.  Like Reverbnation; Soundcloud; Beatstars and so many others like them.

How do Whatsapp; Facebook; Twitter or Instagram make revenue? By the usage of users using the app, right? So that capital can then be used to develop new plugins for Cakewalk "The DAW" -- It's kind of clear in the Post. 

Users will be able to make money on it much like how anyone can make money on Itunes; Youtube Music and Spotify with Free Streaming Services. Just because Cakewalk is free, doesn't mean you can't make money from it to improve the product. 

This has nothing to do with Cakewalk the DAW, but only the "platform" you're using to communicate right now. So its the website (This Forum) as a "mobile app."

1 hour ago, E-Woof Music said:

It is unfortunate that the new producers on Cakewalk do not come to the forums but use reddit and discord to solve their issues they have with Cakewalk. 

That's why we need a mobile app too. Help us get there by liking this thread and add some input to it, if you can to meep it alive. You can share it on reddit too. 

https://discuss.cakewalk.com/index.php?/topic/21193-mobile-app/

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Guys no. Can you two talk this out please? We're all family here and it's never cool when family fight.