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The guy who blocked me, Technoista was the same guy who harassed Larry into leaving this forum. I can live with that. Block me if you're annoyed with me. But Reid has turned this thread memorializing Cory into exploiting him for Greene's war on Tawnia and 8Dio. I'm not saying that Cory took his life due to Greene's exploiting him, but I know that it was troubling to him and humiliating and it sickens me to see how he was exploited. So, yeah, this thread doesn't belong in the deals posts, but this is about one man who took his life, a man I considered a friend, and people who didn't know him exploiting him. F yeah in an effort to spread lies just to attack Greene's competitor, who just happens to be dealing with an incredibly difficult circumstance in her own family this week and I'm dealing with Cory's death with her, and I'm just crushed by it. She's just crushed by it and along come these people who want to exploit all of it for their own profit or for Greene's profit. I'm not going to be silent and watch that happen. If I'm blocked I''m blocked. But I loved this man too much and I care about people and the truth to much to see this happen. It's a bit more important than deals and if it annoys you, just ignore the thread or my posts. There's no reason for Reid to put up a video that Mike Greene exploited to attack 8Dio, and I just explained the story behind the video at a level I never would have if Reid didn't try to convert this thread from a tribute to Cory to an attack on 8Dio exploiting Cory.

I get what you're saying, but this is merely a wannabe influencer helping Mike Greene attack a competitor even after the man they exploited took his life. 8Dio's reputation has been harmed so badly that every thread that comes up about them, every social media post, every tweet, posts on another forums, someone posts that they've read terrible things about 8Dio. And Cory was a causality of Mike Greene's war. Cory didn't want to be exploited and knew that was the only reason they were sharing this. He had actually asked me to post on VI Contrrol on his behalf. I was begging Greene to stop exploiting Cory that Cory was in terrible shape and that thread was making things worse. Greene mocked me for it. Greene referred to Cory as his friend in more than 2 dozen posts, made up facts about a video review that never happened, and knew it, but he kept doing it. It's not just drama. It is an unethical attack on people and exploitation of a man who was severely mentally ill. Why do you think this has been such a big deal to me. Obviously, 8Dio isn't paying me to write these posts, read the story above. I'll edit it down. It will begin to make sense to you after I edit it.

So with my friend Cory gone. I want to honor him and I wish this video wasn't being used as part of an attack strategy on 8Dio, especially now after Cory has taken his life. Here's the true story of what happened around 8 years ago that resulted in that video that Reid has posted to turn around a tribute to Cory into exploiting Cory for an attack on 8Dio. I'm not going to pretend I'm not sickened by his actions: Cory never did a video review or any review of an 8Dio library under his own name at any point. Cory did make a couple of helpful videos where he walked through some issues he had with some 8Dio libraries, but never a review, which is the subject of the video. NEVER. Cory was an 8Dio customer who started doing some work for one of 8Dio's competitors, who was also Troels' former business partner in ToneHammer. The reviews in question referred to in Cory's YouTube video, were made under a different person's name, But it was clearly a sock puppet account Cory made. Despite the different name, the sock puppet account used Cory's IP address, his business name and his email address featuring Cory's full name -- the same email address that he used in our correspondence. The account holder never purchased any 8Dio libraries but made three 1 star reviews of 8Dio libraries which not only trashed the libraries, but 8Dio management. The review system wasn't even a system I was familiar with like Trust Pilot, It was something out of WordPress. It had nothing to do with YouTube, it was just on 8Dio's website. Tawnia and Cory exchanged a bunch of emails about these reviews -- this is where the two first got to know one another. At first, Cory denied that he made the reviews and said they were made by a business partner who was no longer with his organization so he couldn't change them (I actually have the correspondence). Of course, that makes no sense when it used Cory's email address. The responses really aren't logical and eventually Cory kind of admitted that he made the reviews, but he was really upset about being confronted and called out. Cory's behavior in that correspondence isn't logical or consistent and I wouldn't call him a liar, because I think his rationale was more complicated due to his mental illness. Tawnia was telling him that he could do reviews in his own name, but the sock puppet account never purchased any libraries and needed to be deleted as it violated their company policy. As a dot com owner myself, I would have went to the company that hosted the review system and just explained it to them and sent them the correspondence. In the 8 years since then -- and I asked Cory about this stuff and he didn't want to get into it -- because he's embarrassed and the fact is, he's told some mistruths about it, 8Dio ended up leaving the rating platform and it became a non-issue. But this video was an issue and Cory was both uncomfortable about doing and also didn't want to take it down. Cory was very poor, and from our correspondence, I take it, but never directly asked, that it left him unable to hold down employment. He used a business name, but I don't think he was actually making money from it. It just appeared to be what he hoped would be a business from making YouTube videos and music shared on YouTube and BandCamp. Cory and Tawnia's correspondence has continued for years to the point where Tawnia became a confidant for Cory. I realize that Cory was very frustrated with Tawnia for repeatedly questioning him about the sock puppet account, but their relationship was definitely not a mere business relationship, it was significantly Tawnia checking in with Cory and Cory confiding the personal details in his life. It's really surprising to me that Tawnia was telling Cory she wanted him to make walkthrough videos for 8Dio after posting that video and knowing his issues, and to me, it speaks to her compassion and empathy. 99.999% of business people in Tawnia's shoes would have given up on Cory. I'm an empath and I'd love to think that I would have reacted like Tawnia, but to be very frank, I almost certainly wouldn't have used him for anything to do with my business. Understand the journey that Tawnia and Cory went on. Tawnia started out just seeing fake reviews and being upset about them and wanting Cory to do the right thing and remove them. She never, at any point, had objections to a review under Cory's real account. But as she learned more and more about Cory's mental illness, she became someone who deeply cared about him and their relationship was not a business relationship. Tawnia looked out for Cory as a friend and she was working with me to help Cory for the last few weeks. Tawnia and Cory were recently working together before I got involved for Cory to make walkthrough videos as a contractor for 8Dio. When I got to know Tawnia and told her about Cory needing a more powerful PC and we came up with the idea as two friends of Cory to get him a new powerful PC -- which Tawnia was giving him as a gift. I was trying to get his shipping address. It wasn't in exchange for taking down that video either. Of course, you can bet that Tawnia loathes that is up there. If someone thinks that the narrative of 8Dio suing people who make negative reviews is true, please search for my numerous brutal review posts on 8Dio libraries on this forum (a did an extremely harsh review on a guitar and a Wurli library; they're still there and 8Dio is aware of them and Tawnia is a friend of mine and never even subtly hinted that she wanted me to take those reviews down or edit them; although I admit, I was super harsh and do feel a bit uncomfortable about them,. but they're still there as they were when I originally posted them) . And today when Tawnia and I were crying together on the phone, there was never a moment where she paused and said, "By the way, if you don't take down those hyper critical reviews of our libraries down, I'm going to sue you." Because it's a BS narrative Greene is pushing and Greene knew all this stuff, he knew Cory didn't want him talking about this stuff, and he knew that I was the one that Mario received advice from 13 yrs ago and Mario's story today was BS -- the developer who bought me in still had notes and screenshots that proved what I posted and Troels posted was true. And I have never had any negative conversations with Mario, but he wasn't telling the truth. He and Sarah -- who referred to Tawnia as a phony evil bitch, eventually admitted that neither of them ever met, emailed, PMed or had any interaction with Tawnia but solely based their opinion on what Greene told them. None of them ever even reached out to Cory. Not once. Is this story complex? Yes. If anyone has questions about it or my friend Cory. Ask me. I will tell you the truth.

Haha! People need to watch the video to get that joke!

I just downloaded and installed the library while watching how they made it (they recorded the chimes at a children's outdoor park near their office; watch their video on the landing page to learn the story behind the library). It sounds beautiful. Fracture Sounds did a great job of denoising the samples. If their free libraries are this good, they've won me over. I have yet to purchase one of Fracture Sounds paid libraries, but the freebies are so well done, I think it's a safe bet that their paid libraries are superb.

Incredibly true. And in Cory's case, he was doing the right things and seeking help and resources. I think society must do a better job in helping, accepting and caring for those with mental illness.

My wife, daughter and I are driving home (my wife's driving) after visiting my son at college and we're listening to Cory's recent music. And I thought maybe we could use this thread to share how he affected us. Cory was brave. When I saw how vulnerable Cory made himself by publicly sharing his mental illness, I was moved by his courage and also worried how vulnerable he made himself, because of how society stigmatizes mental illness. Cory was a disarmingly kind, sweet and open hearted man. He was extremely vulnerable. I had first learned of Cory after becoming a fan of his videos when I saw him do what no influencer should ever do if they want to keep the freebies, sponsorships and money coming, he told the unvarnished truth. I've long been outspoken on ethics as a marketer. And Cory was honest and really knew his stuff. Unlike 99.99% of influencers, if Cory saw problems with a sample library, he told you exactly what it was. I really wish that was the way all influencers were, just a talented, honest person telling the truth, not shill pitchman posing as a "reviewer." That means turning down or missing out on making cash. That took serious integrity. I enormously admired that. This man was not a shill. Cory was the real deal, with a huge heart.

I'd also urge people, if Mike Greene continues to leverage Cory in his attacks on 8Dio, please ask him to stop. Mike never once spoke with Cory, never had a PM or email, yet he used him in at least 2 dozen attacks on 8Dio when behind the scenes I was begging him to stop, that it was harmful to Cory. He didn't care. I would just hope people will politely ask Mike to stop now. It was wrong when Mike knew the real situation and Cory being hospitalized and though Cory's gone now, it's still wrong.

Cory and I bonded at a deep level. I'm the Peter D. he posted about on YouTube. I knew he was struggling mightily. I was trying to get a new computer shipped out to him, a really decked-out machine. He was not doing well financially and had a lousy, underpowered computer. How unfair is it that someone so gifted as a musician and creator struggled to afford a powerful enough computer to do the music he loved and make the most honest review videos I've ever seen. I'm so heartbroken. I'm with my son at a football game at his college crying. My wife knows how deeply Cory and I bonded. Cory experienced horrific abuse as a kid and that doesn't just leave you as an adult. He was incredibly talented, honest and sweet, He used his platform to share his life to help others in many ways, including trying to de-stigmatize mental illness. I often referred to Cory as the only influencer I respect. Greg Schlaepfer of Orange Tree Samples and I are good friends and we both loved, cared about and respected Cory. Watch his videos sharing about his mental illness. He tried to make the world a more accepting place. Let's not forget him or his message. Rest in peace, Cory. Thank you for your friendship. I'm so, so sorry.

Their free electric piano is suoerb. I'm really impressed by this developer to make a freebie that good. I'm on my phone now, but will definitely be looking forward to getting this. If anyone hasn't already downloaded their electric piano, it's a KONTAKT Player library, download it. It's gorgeous. I would be a fan recommending it if I paid for it.

That sucks. You've always been a cool person in this forum. Have you tried shooting them an email to see if you can work things out? Some small developers can be quirky and unprofessional. Keep in mind they may act more emotionally than they should as business owners and I'd try emailing them again if you want their libraries.

Thanks, I'm going off to my son's college to enjoy a football game and will need to install a new hard drive first before I can install these when I get back. For anyone who has followed the 8Dio attacks or has concerns about them due to their competitor who owns VI-Control, the reasons behind him attacking 8Dio are due to 2 factors, they're a competitor and 8Dio's CEO criticized his management of VI-Control and pulled all their money from the site in protest of some of Mike's censorship practices. The infamous first attack thread on 8Dio that's been brought up in every 8Dio thread at VI-Control by Mike, but also is brought up whenever someone tweets about 8Dio, in other forums. All you need to do is read this except from one of Mike's meltdowns: It's a pretty basic fact that a company doing sales. as 8Dio does, is not an ethics problem and the idea that a competitor is trying to work with them to fix pricing is literally illegal in the US and most countries. But that is what Greene asserts that he's tried to do, to price fix and get 8Dio agree to not do deep discounting. As far as the lawyer that Mike claimed was being sicked on him. That's actually a friend of his and his good friend's wife telling him that defaming a competitor is not legal or ethical.

Larry did a post on this same sale last week and shared a code where you get BFD3 for something like $43,USD. If anyone is interested in buying this, you may want to find Larry's thread on it to get an even better price. And I agree with Craig. BFD3 has been around for more than a decade and there's no strong sign BFD4 will be out soon. They regularly put BFD3 on sale for $49.

I'm always grateful for a freebie from a developer I'm already a customer of and know these guys put out good quality libraries, but couldn't they at least have made even one demo?

I just bought the library. I have to prepare for a trip, so I wanted to get this done. I love the sound of the strings too much to pass these up. I watched part of the KVR guy's review video and Troel's walkthrough, and that showed me enough about playability and the raw sound to know that this is for me. I just need to install my new hard drive to have a place for them. Unlike Bapu, I cannot say, "Installed!" I can't even say "Downloaded!" I can only say, "Purchased."

Ah I wasn't even think about that, 8Dio does use referral codes for new customers that are $15 off for new customers and $15 credit back to the regular customer who shares the link or code. I just posted about that yesterday encouraging people to PM Larry if they were new customers. If anyone who's never bought from 8Dio before wants another $15USD off they can PM a current 8Dio customer to get $15 off (not me this weekend though, I'm going to be unavailable for a bit). Although I'm not sure if that always works with sales. I think sometimes it does and sometimes it doesn't. But it's always worth a try, IMO.

Just sound these reviews from googling: Troels' walkthrough (I'll add this to my original post) https://www.kvraudio.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=584022

Are you sure these were for $45? If anyone here has them and wants to share your thoughts, please do. @Carl Ewing you wrote that you own a bunch of 8Dio libraries. Do you own these? And if you do, could you share your thoughts? I'm about to buy them and Steve is also interested in them. I always thought they were a bundling of Deep Solo Strings for some reason, which I own, but today I realized they're completely different and fell in love with their sound after listening to the the demos.

8Dio Quintet Strings $68 USD Reg $150 USD (KONTAKT FULL) I have seen this library in the past, but i thought it was just another bundling of the Deep Solo Strings, which I already owned and never clicked on the web page and read or listened to the demos. Today I did and this is one of the beautiful sounding string libraries I've ever heard. I watched Troels walkthrough, watched a review video and forget it, I'm getting this. I don't even have hard drive space (I have a new hard drive I need to install). At $68, at least for me this is a huge no-brainer. Absolutely gorgeous. This was the support person's response to me when I wanted to confirm that I was correct about this being different libraries: "Hello Peter, Thank you for contacting 8dio support. The quintet strings and the deep solo strings are completly different sample sets yes. The quintet strings specifically focus very heavily on legato, while the deep solo strings are more "all around" string options. Best Wishes, 8dio Support Hawk" To be completely transparent, I'm friends with 8Dio's CEO and I was at their site partially because she asks for my marketing and branding advice, but mostly because I was curious about exactly what they're doing with pricing for the Black Friday sale and stumbled across this. At this point, the string libraries I am in love with and am contemplating buying, are Bunker Samples Viola which is $69 (and sounds different than any other viola library I've heard, in a beautiful way). and Sonixinema's Solo Cello, although buying this collection now makes me uncertain if I'm still going to pick up that cello too. I need to install this and figure that out. But $68 for this, that's great, IMO. SPECS 9-way Round Robin Legato articulations 15 Articulations 14.000+ samples / 15.29GB 5 Different Sustains 9 Types of Bowing Arcs and Arc FX Advanced Section Control Microphone Control Close, Far & Noise Microphones Deep-Sampled 2 Violins, 1 Viola, & 2 Cellos Full Mixer for each instrument and section Advanced Layered Legatos w/ dynamics Delivered by Download Kontakt 5.8.1 Full Retail (or later) Required https://8dio.com/products/quintet-strings?variant=41932135071944

I've heard a lot of great things about the Tina Guo libraries and I almost certainly would buy those IF they were recorded dry. Consequently, the dry solo library that I'm hoping goes on sale is Sonixinema's Contemporary Soloist Cello. It sounds beautiful and just what I'm looking for in the demos. I'd love to hear about his how playable the library is. That is, does it feature really intuitive KONTAKT scripting or not, as that's a big factor for me too. This is the library. If anyone here owns it, please chime in (sorry, influencers not included): https://sonixinema.com/collections/strings/products/contemporary-soloist-cello

I realize that. I've just severely curbed my spending and have plans to pick up a cello library and maybe a drum library for this year and that's about it. If Acoustic Samples put their Wurlie on sale for cheap, that would be the other thing I would add to my list. Even with how much I don't like UVI Workstation's UI and user experience, the demos for the AS Wurlie sound so gorgeous to my ears, better than any other Wurli library I own, or that I've ever heard, it would be enough for me to deal with the UVI Workstation.

I have yet to hear any plugin from Arturia I don't like a lot. Even though I only own several plugins from them, everything I have from them is superb. They're definitely on my list of devs that I think are consistently great at what they do.

Right now, my two main go-to samplers are KONTAKT and SoundPaint. I loathe the UVI UI and user experience so much that while I have several synth and sample libraries in the format that I really like, I almost never use them. To your point, while I don't think KONTAKT has a great UI and user experience (and the effects aren't great), I've gotten super familiar with it from using it for two decades. But it's certainly vastly superior to the UVI UI and user experience and there are so many great sample libraries for KONTAKT that I'm very hooked into that ecosystem. I can't help but think if UVI dramatically reduced the price of Falcon or created a free light version of it that came with all UVI instruments, they might grab a bigger market share. I only started using SoundPaint because it was free and soon fell in love with it. If not for the price barrier, the same thing might have happened for me with Falcon, but the $299 USD price barrier kept that from happening, especially when I'm already so invested in another sampler (KONTAKT) and that ecosystem.

Thanks, I appreciate how you always share your sincere, unedited opinion on libraries and plugins. Consequently, your earlier post sharing your disappointment with this library got my attention. In my book, even if you and I have different opinions on some libraries (which is pretty natural when people have different takes and aren't just engaged in group think), you have major cred, in my book, for consistently sharing honest opinions, which I wish was more common in forums. As a former drummer who can't physically play an acoustic drum kit for more than 30 seconds without pain, I'm a sucker for drum sample libraries. Part of me says, only buy SD3/EZx format acoustic drum libraries because I love SD3 and have a pretty nice collection of kits in the format and can swap snares, toms, and cymbals from every kit to create my own Frankenstein kits like drummers do in the real world. Plus, it works great with Roland VDrums, which I own. But I really liked the sound of GGD's Classic Rock kit and at the sale price, it was tempting. But in the end, that lack of detail, and the expectations set by SD3, would no doubt, have made it a disappointment for me too.

He is into this kind of sound. In fact, you two would likely hit it off very well. Super nice guy, who's been one of the main people who encouraged me to attempt to play music again (I only started really trying to play again in 2021 after an injury in 1999 stopped me; even though I never stopped buying stuff and kept a DAW on a laptop to fiddle with, I never tried playing/recording full songs until 2021) and he's a really talented keyboardist, like yourself. He's done some music for indie video games and his day job is working for a major games developer managing major releases (he was previously with Nintendo and later worked on one of my son's favorite video games, Forza Horizon; he seems to handle the games my kids love). I'll send him over the info.