Noel Borthwick

Not intentionally sorry Two hours isnt long enough to cover 30+ years. I missed a few steps haha. Here is a post about GMPI from 2004. It was an MMA working group and many high level industry professionals were part of the group. Its too bad that it never materialized since it we genuinely a forward thinking cross platform spec for plugins. with support from both DAW and plugin vendors. But we all know that merit doesn’t drive adoption necessarily.

Those are just outputs from your device exposed by the same driver. The realtek asio driver is known to be buggy so use at your own risk. You will possibly get better behavior by using WASAPI shared or WASAPI exclusive mode.

It's past 30M as of today 😅 With BandLab the user acquisition growth is exponential. Of course that's looking at the mobile user base which is obviously massively higher than desktops. Cakewalk has also grown by many orders of magnitude of course, but not close to that ballpark. Were adding deeper BandLab integration however so we will continue to grow as more people learn about Cakewalk.

Indeed we were in favor of open standards rather than being tethered by any particular vendors direction that's why we went with WDM KS at the time.

I couldn’t afford to get my own PC until 92 so by the time I started using DAW’s it was already at Cakewalk V1 for Windows. I only used hardware synths prior to that, or 4 track tape lol.

Yeah WASABI was an open low latency spec for writing drivers for Windows to get around the latency problem with MME (caused by Windows KMixer latency). Martin Puryear from Microsoft was involved in that project and it ended up being replaced by the WDM kernel streaming API (KS) which was released publicly. Another very cool open source project that never took off was a plugin specification called GMPI (Generalized Music Plugin Interface). There was a discussion group with many leading plugin and DAW developers participating and it went pretty far with the specification. I still have the posts from that mailing list archived. Its a shame that it didn’t take off since it was ahead of its time and more sophisticated than VST - besides being vetted by industry pros. Both those projects were led by Ron Kuper who pioneered the first Pro Audio version of Cakewalk.

Designer was after my time there. I left in 97 to start working with Cakewalk on Pro audio 7. Corel had some interesting if schizophrenic products. I peripherally worked on a product called The Art of Playboy, that was a multimedia CD-ROM (remember those?) showcasing art and illustration from the Playboy catalog. I helped the project lead to build a simple playlist engine to trigger the background music to the slides and my wife and I composed and sequenced the music in CWPA 3. That was a fun little side project. Wav file playback was still not an option in those days due to storage limits and spotty spotty support on off the shelf PC’s.

I recently participated in a fun discussion with Principal PM @Pete Brown from Microsoft and Vin Curigliano of AAVIM Technology, who has been doing DAW benchmarking for a long time. We talked about a bunch of stuff, including the history of Cakewalk from the early years to now, our intersections with Microsoft’s technology over the last 30 years and lots of technical details about DAW development. You can listen to the podcast here. If you are a DAW geek and get through listening to all two hours of it, you win a prize. We’ll give you Cakewalk. Oh wait... 😂

Steinberg just announced end of elicenser so perhaps it wont be an issue in the future

If its crashing send a dump file. The fact that you just noticed it doesn't mean its related to the last update.

If you are getting crashes you should be reporting them. Its unlikely to be related to the last update. Most issues have been with people having mismatched installs.

@Warren Medernach I looked at your dump files. Sorry but both these crashes are not related to the latest update from Cakewalk. Its your ASIO driver crashing. rthdasio64.dll is a creative labs driver. Its crashing in the drivers code. Perhaps it is not compatible with the latest windows. If its crashing only with certain projects check if these projects use a different sample rate. The crash is exclusively in the ASIO driver code so there isn't anything for us to analyze further. ntdll.dll!RtlLeaveCriticalSection() Unknown Non-user code. Symbols loaded. > VCRUNTIME140_1.dll!_CallSettingFrameEncoded() Line 183 Unknown Non-user code. Symbols loaded. VCRUNTIME140_1.dll!__FrameHandler4::FrameUnwindToState(unsigned __int64 * pRN=0x000000000014d350, _xDISPATCHER_CONTEXT * pDC=0x000000000014da50, FH4::FuncInfo4 * pFuncInfo=0x00007ff8fd5042b0, int targetState=-1) Line 1093 C++ Non-user code. Symbols loaded. VCRUNTIME140_1.dll!__FrameHandler4::FrameUnwindToEmptyState(unsigned __int64 * pRN, _xDISPATCHER_CONTEXT * pDC, FH4::FuncInfo4 * pFuncInfo) Line 218 C++ Non-user code. Symbols loaded. VCRUNTIME140_1.dll!__InternalCxxFrameHandler<__FrameHandler4>(EHExceptionRecord * pExcept=0x000000000014eb60, unsigned __int64 * pRN=0x000000000014d460, _CONTEXT * pContext, _xDISPATCHER_CONTEXT * pDC=0x000000000014da50, FH4::FuncInfo4 * pFuncInfo=0x000000000014d430, int CatchDepth=0, unsigned __int64 * pMarkerRN=0x0000000000000000, unsigned char recursive='\0') Line 304 C++ Non-user code. Symbols loaded. VCRUNTIME140_1.dll!__CxxFrameHandler4(EHExceptionRecord * pExcept=0x000000000014eb60, unsigned __int64 RN, _CONTEXT * pContext=0x000000000014dc80, _xDISPATCHER_CONTEXT * pDC=0x000000000014da50) Line 290 C++ Non-user code. Symbols loaded. ntdll.dll!RtlpExecuteHandlerForUnwind() Unknown Non-user code. Symbols loaded. ntdll.dll!RtlUnwindEx() Unknown Non-user code. Symbols loaded. ntdll.dll!__C_specific_handler() Unknown Non-user code. Symbols loaded. ntdll.dll!RtlpExecuteHandlerForException() Unknown Non-user code. Symbols loaded. ntdll.dll!RtlDispatchException() Unknown Non-user code. Symbols loaded. ntdll.dll!RtlRaiseException() Unknown Non-user code. Symbols loaded. KERNELBASE.dll!RaiseException() Unknown Non-user code. Symbols loaded. [Frames may be missing, no binary loaded for rthdasio64.dll] Annotated Frame rthdasio64.dll!00007ff8ebe982d7() Unknown Non-user code. No matching binary found.

The issue is more than just allowing the external insert to support inputs. Its complicated by the fact that Cakewalk supports other driver modes that have stereo channels so it makes it harder to do. Its not that we don't want to do this but it requires some rework of routing to support. This is why it hasn't been tackled yet and has been lower on the priority list.

Here is the original article from 2017 where we evaluated game mode.

It looks like his project contains missing audio files. You can't save a bundle until you find and delete all clips that reference missing audio files.

@forkol I did look into it. Nothing has changed on our end and CD's show up fine here when I insert it and I can browse the contents.

Great once you have done this, assuming your login doesn't change, reactivation should automatically happen in the future.

Great we've also updated it on the web, so anybody who does an in app install will also get the new installer.

Please try the new installer. It also handles the waves server running issue by force terminating it. PS there is no need to first run the rollback. You can directly run the new installer.

Hi Folks, Thanks to @DeeringAmps I was able to reproduce the issue on his PC remotely. It was indeed a missing dependency. He didn't catch it the first time since he ran the dependency tool on 2020.11 rather than 2021.01. Here is an updated installer for 2021.01 that should fix the problem. Download and run it and please report back if it solves your install issues.

See posts above for further troubleshooting.

This makes no sense. If the regsvr succeeded then Cakewalk should be able to find the dll. I will PM you and we can follow up with some more troubleshooting.

True, its possible that is hijacking his main outs. If this turns out to be the issue let me know and I will report it to Steinberg.

@Billy86 What step did you follow to resolve it?

@ALEXANDER SHUGAYEV Hi we don't have an Apollo inhouse to look at the settings so its harder to see what is expected. 1. Only one of two input is listed (1-st) Cakewalk groups inputs and outputs as stereo pairs in preferences. Its normal to see the input with odd numbers since Cakewalk is showing pairs. You can choose to see the output ports (in the tracks) as mono by checking the show mono outputs box. 2. Main output is absent Most likely the main out is one of the ports listed in your list but named differently? I would try Mon L (Stereo), Line 1L (Stereo) or Aux 1L (Stereo) as the output port and see if that corresponds to the main out. We don't have control over the names that the device exposes. Post a screenshot of what Cubase shows.