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My overall view is this - why did they beginning june announce this - and accounced as "coming soon" Did they do this so that everybody will just be silent and waiting? - or did they look for feedback and ideas as clock is running I'll go for the latter. I looked all over for various VPN services, functionality and cost - most offered annual stuff, or monthly stuff - but some offered 2 and 3 year subscriptions I evaluated 3 years and this amount, that is annually a good deal. - I'm covered for 3 years and don't have to do anything So I went for the 3 year thingy. More money upfront, but a good deal. I have not seen this as alternative for Cakewalk ever, and thought I'll post it and Bakers can read possibly if might be an alternative among others for future as separate company. - more money upfront which will be good as just starting to handle own costs - and think many long time Sonar user might think it's a good deal - overall vibes here says many wants this to succeed - a stunning daw that is maintained better than any competition just about I'm just making a reality test of it all - there were pre Roland days - there were Roland days - there were Gibson days - and has been Bandlab days - and now going commercial again You need some extra marketing money going commercial - so just thought 2 and 3 year maintenance could be one option to offer Many webstores have options to buy in to extra years of warranty and stuff. - same thing here really Thread is titled "Let this be heard, please Bakers". John Farnham had a hit with "your the voice" - "make it loud and make it clear" You lot sitting and waiting, throw your ideas to Bakers too. - your ideas are as good as anybodies - are you ready to shell out a couple of years giving a lower annual cost for maintenance? - or something else This is my aim, nothing else, as some seem to read negativiy into it.

It didn't help, must be a bug somewhere. To throw new ideas - I'm ready to shell out $500 for let's say a 3 year maintenance deal - and minimum of content, please - this one thing to laborate with, make 1, 2 and 3 year maintenance deal - this would give some extra wind in sails just as ship leaves the shore - and time to fine tune strategies for Cakewalk I think a good bunch will be ready to commit a little longer....

I know the drill here, a dozen fanbois shower with likes if just praise CbB and thumbs down otherwise. That is how it goes. My concern is that a dozen new Sonar customers is not going to make this success, so I don't mind a few punches or a lot even. I wish for Cake to succeed, and not spread fairy dust around. Hard core reality is coming up. - and those that has the most knowledge seem not to be part of the process of their own future - that's how it looks to me, Cakwalk is not involved enough - they have decades of knowledge what worked and what didn't - I sense frustration with Noel how he does not know either

"It has to be approved by CEO..." what is going on, one wonders? - three months ago it was announced Cakewalk is going commercial again Before that CEO would have some kind of clue what he wants? - and yet three months later still no clue Which price points is it to be divided into? - how many versions - how much should each version be stripped of features and content All these things Cakewalk has a long history of knowing, and yet seems they are cut out of the process? - Cakewalk know this worked but not that? - how many stayed entry Sonar Artist, how many went Professional or Platinum - what were price points and result of that strategy So even if to sum up reactions here over some time over announcement, still seems odd. - nobody knows anything? - and those that has a lot of knowledge seems not to be part of the process that is to be their future and their jobs depend on it Just some thoughts, and I know, who cares? I think I will put in my signature soon....

Thanks, but where is this stated by Cakewalk or Staff on forum or elsewhere? A mystery why this was not stated already at announcement in june. That if anything would make everybody at ease.

I get what you are saying. When I started doing time lapses it was single shot pics - enter cropping to 16:9 on 6000 pics in a program - then processing cropping pics took 24 hours in computer - then downsizing pics to 1080 lines with some algo in another program . then shove into video editor as a collection making a video - puhhh, that was one days work Then I got a camera that did time lapse directly to a video in camera. - that is some boost in productivity I could focus earlier on making music to it. So there are "needs" but most things in daws remain headroom for most of us IMO. - and think success for commercial Cakewalk may be to have alternative for those not absolutely wanting that headroom that CbB offer now - maybe options to buy content at discounted price which has been before, I remember Vsampler as one, rather than just offering one Sonar version. My opinion and who cares?

I realize that that is my views. And the world of music recording never had those features until recently either. - so how in the world did that happend? - if vocals off, redo it - so "need" is a relative matter - a solution that is seeking a need? - certainly daw makers trying to attract users with new features - everything "needed" is already done There is this documentary that Dave Grohl did over Soundcity studio, very nice film I recommend. A short clip with Tom Petty he told about how they probably made 50 takes of one of his big hits. - it's crafmanship from a lot of practice Now we want effortless gratification! - is something lost here maybe? - I know, who cares! I hired some vocalists and had a rough mix demo for them - one song was to low in pitch and needed up two steps - so had to make a new quick demo with just a guitar, then do the rest later alone - yeah, I could have used some modern features saving some work, but solved it anyway - and so did entire music industry back in the day with 4 track tape machines like early Beatles Yet, this guy with thread "thread syncronization bug" moved to StudioOne Artist which has none of those features as in StudioOne Pro. - after 20 years of Cakewalk Sonar/CbB - he did film score for film industry, and swapped to a daw with nothing fancy - again what is a "need"? Always nice with headroom for things that you might need in future, but not a "need" IMO. Yeah, I know, my views and who cares!

You have two rather good options if really having to move to another host - midi, just select all project, and save as and choose midi file type - will open in any daw and at least midi is there, tracks positions, tempo the lot - OMF if mostly audio stuff and can be opened at least in Cubase - StudioOne is AAF as I recall. - Reaper and Samplitude do EDL And then there is https://aatranslator.com.au that do many direct conversions. So hardly hostage...I get by with 7 year old Sonar code....I prefer Sonar to any mentioned above....

Professional and Platinum were no features at all, just content. My recollection of Platinum is as Starship said was all about content and of not interest. Was it some vocal alignment and drums replacement or similar, which is of no use in my world. Stretching audio nothing I ever used, just use daw as tape recorder and hold clips and plugins and some automation. - keeping it simple There are so many daws that offer the basic stuff that most need. - if there is just one version Sonar it will fail big, not many need all content nor features

But how many actually need all the features, nice and all, but really need them? This guy doing the "thread syncronization bug" here swapped to StudioOne Artist which is entry level and just cost $99 as I recall. And he claimed he did work for film industry, and projects were huge and plugins and all. I run good old Sonar Arist 2015, 7 year old code, and can very well live with quirks that are there if so. I hope Cakewalk really look at how things have worked in the past? - there were enthusiasm over lifetime free updates on Platinum would make everybody get Platinum? - now a bit of the same, people will pay suddenly for something that was free for so long? And a bit worried over Noels comment on last CbB EA how they stuffed one year of updates into that so that difference between new paid Sonar will be as little as possible? - is this a good policy? - it's much to kind bunch of people to be healthy business almost. And having a paid versions that still needs timely reactivations is not so good in my world, since I had issues with CbB doing that 3 years ago. So went back to Sonar, I don't want anything just stop working suddenly. I really believe an entry level product that most people get by with, as I have my old Sonar Artist, is needed. - then a version with everything on it, as they say in hamburger bars - one size does not fit all

Out of experience, I am a retired programmer and had my own business. - been there too many times You make silly mistakes, like the early access that was released when not having time to really test things out that is released. then I listed everything on the schedule right now - consolidate CbB - update to new Sonar(gui in the workings still) - a completely new daw this we know is on the schedule. It's a lot of pressure getting these things right. - there were the Roland sale - the Gibson took over - then Bandlab took over - and now to go full commercial again I say - calm down Bakers, we can wait - but drip feed us since we are starving for new information . but get everything out when ready

So summing up the facts that I listed you come to some other conclusion - they are really well on schedule, or? Just trying to set expectations right when "coming soon" would be and fully tested, polished and done with. I wrote, take your time Bakers, but drip feed us something in between and we can wait....that's the essence of what I wrote....

Another thread about the early access "top tracks no visible" or something was a bit worrying. - they are just to consolidate CbB and yet to manage introducing new bugs that were substantial This tells devs are very stressed up right now - consolidate CbB - update to new Sonar - completely new daw Next and Noel also revealed "we are working on the gui on new Sonar", something to that meaning with a little "soon" in there a couple of times. It seems they are in over their heads, I'm afraid. If they at least drip fed community with some more info, I think they can wait until done and ready, and not too early access. - if not prices yet, at least how divided into a couple of versions, if that is the case - how will authorization work - chm help file for offline help - sure there are other things that can be revealed wished by other people

Reactivate is one thing - if it works flawlessly!!! Three years ago running CbB started to remind me to reactivate. - nothing happend it continued to remind me - I was at Bandlab app and pressed some button, but no confirmation or new expire date or anything - I posted here on forum, and it just fell down the pages, not help at all to fix it So with the risk of it just stops working, I uninstalled CbB and went back to good old Sonar Artist 2015. Just a few projects using surround busses that did not work, otherwise went fine after a true total rescan plugins. So this flaky activation system really puts me off! - one thing with a free product - another if for something you paid for, then you want no reactivation on that pc, you paid for perpetual license And I don't follow the reasoning about integrating with Bandlab either - so you need to reactivate every 6 months - which will be different date depending on when installed and similar for each install I think Cakewalk/Roland/Gibson days worked just fine with challenge response and listed in account. And second concern of mine is how many versions of Sonar - a single with all content you pay for whether of interest or not I have everything I need 3rd party, and would be great - at least separate installer for content, like StudioOne did as I recall - best if two levels products Sonar Suite with everything included, or just Sonar. I don't mind paying good money for a daw that is maintained, but pay for content that is of no interest is another thing. The only issues I have with Sonar Artist 2015 - the soloing of a bus and a track, something funny is going on there make all go silent - solo override does not work as in other daws, to set and forget(reported) - something strange happend using Measure at beat-something, with content down the timeline(reported) - mute previous take did not work in loop recording, if content on track before(reported) - starting Sonar I get HeapLeakDetection entry in registry and have to turn off compatibility assistant or windows start interfere adding memory to requested from process and similar - to again get surround busses would be great in a new Sonar Looking through 64 pages of release notes, I think my reported bugs might be taken care of. Cons with CbB - prochannel I have to see to that all is disabled on every track I create, or I was having issues suddenly something was active there - I think there was some setting to instead have the legacy eq stuff and no pc interfering - and online manual is useless, I used the old chm-file for Sonar instead But paid product that needs online reactivations is a turn off, once for registration is enough. - I'm never online other than shortly to do windows updates

So it was sloppy reading on my part, probably, I got impressions with so many words describing a simple thing they were biting round the bush to actually remove all authorizationon CbB. - but this was wrong - but you are right, I will let original comment stay in future I am concerned that new Sonar will have this 6 month authorize too, since why I dropped CbB 3 years ago was that I could not get that working to reauthorize. I didn't want to sit and not have a working tool anymore. I just went back to Sonar, no issues with that after doing a full rescan all plugins. - it's no purchase new Sonar for me with this kind of authorizing - there were no confirmation that I know it is authorized, and no next expire date or anything - it just kept warning authorizing within a week or whatever it was, so what I did was not working - I put a question here on forum, and nobody cared to reply, it just fell down the pages