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19 minutes ago, Bruno de Souza Lino said:

You have 3 times the amount of cpu threads and 8 times the amount of RAM. There's your reason.

Ok. That’s possibly the reason. I too suffer from resource hogs. I love a few of the Cherry Audio  synths and at first, I couldn’t comfortably use them, but they improved enough in a reasonable timespan so that They finally become useable. Ik's Amplitube 5. A great plugin but such a hog it's barely useable even here. I was using 3 as 4 held jo advantages but no my new DAW I can’t get 3 authorized for some reason so I’m using 4...

My point is that this is a development issue, not business issue. While every bit as important or more, not quite the focus of this thread, yes?

From the days long before digital descended on us, equipment upgrades, technology changes etc have long driven us to buy better/faster forever!

14 minutes ago, Bruno de Souza Lino said:

And I did decide to install some Waves plugins to check a few things and now I see why I vowed to never use them. Not only is the installation process still confusing if you're not upgraded to the latest version of them where everything can be done at a click of a few buttons through Waves Central, simply loading WavesShell and having it running makes Cakewalk behave weird and freeze randoomly, on top of making my whole computer slower.  And it becomes worse if you decide to load some of the older plugins, as they take several seconds to open and may cause Cakewalk to stop responding to the point you can't even end the task.

Interesting... I've not had any such problems. Regardless of my distaste for their business decisions and authorizations etc. their plugins seem to work well here. Waveshell? Yeah, I see the versions scan and always wonder why they take longer than almost my whole scan time for each one, but then they become gone... So I'm thinking there might be some other situation that's adding to the mix?

2 hours ago, JnTuneTech said:

Not sure if it will help: Recently, -but before this month's Waves licensing debacle... I had some issues with the Waves Central installer and my Cakewalk plugin listings. Waves Central has its own settings section, some of it applies to cleaning up older versions, etc. -In my case, since I am not always (and forgot to change when trying the cleanup) logged on to the PC as a local admin, Waves had an issue trying to clean some registry settings they put in for older versions, so I have some "ghost" entries in my VST3 list in Cakewalk that I need to fix now. I've been ignoring it.

As I say, for me, that issue was related to using the installer without local admin permissions, which is something only a few VST installers seem to have much problem with, and is usually not hard to avoid (I simply forgot to do things right for the way I set up my system). -But I will say that otherwise Waves hasn't littered my system with things I didn't want, and they do ask where I want things. -Usually, setting up VSTs with associated libraries, and ones that won't give setup choices, are the toughest to clean up after, or reconfigure after install. -Some of the vendors make little effort to mention in advance that you can change install preferences before downloading, and installing, from their licensing interface, that also gets irritating.

-Once in a while, I may dig into the temp folder after a lousy install, and see if the installer left an identifiable log file, and go from there. But rarely does that happen when they don't follow standards anyway!

I feel like some info here is crossed? In this thread I was looking to learn about removing some demo versions of plugins I don’t use. This has nothing to do with waves at all. My issue with waves is a different forum topic.

But regardless, Thanks for pitching in. I found my solution with the use of the exclude option. The files themselves are small enough not to matter to me as long as I don’t see them in my list...

11 minutes ago, Bill Phillips said:

Some, like ToneBoosters have more flexible installers that support Install/Uninstall and changes in the plugins installed. I just finished uninstalling ToneBooster plugins I installed by mistake and installed the older versions which are free using The ToneBooster installer and found it handled partial installs and uninstalls pretty well.

yup... Some do but sadly not all

53 minutes ago, Olaf said:

I pay for my Waves plugins, whenever I have the cash and I like the particular promotion - I usually go for the pay 2, get 4 promotion, but, as of late, I have everything on the "free" list that I'm interested in - but I use a cracked version, with no Waves Central - and a lot less drive space, and RAM occupied, no folders erratically written everywhere. ? don't tell anybody...

I'm not a professional Waves basher, like I see some people being, I actually like many of their plugins - some, like the SSL emulations - Mixhub and EV2 - to me are the best available - I haven't tried any UAD stuff - and many more. Plus the prices are great, and I've had a great experience with their support when I suggested a few fixes and improvements for Mixhub - about 15 of them, for those who think my 100 point CW suggestion list is a bit much. But the new subscription only model they just switched to - own nothing and be happy - was too much for me. They're backtracked, but the taste will never go away.

I've always asked myself, in a world where the big software developers only have a few employees each, working full time, how these people maintain permanent offices in America, Russia, Ukraine, Israel, India, and so on. Something doesn't add up for me, there.

I really have not been a waves basher though I'm feeling that way right now. I got @$$%$@@$ in their decision making so I'm not a happy camper and looking at the decisions they've been constantly leaning toward and now followed to a state of ripping off some customers such as myself. I had working software that I paid for. They automatically changed something via their auto update that has now placed me in a position where I can only recover what I already had if I'm willing to shell out more cash to buy a dongle to dedicate to their plugin's need on a port that I don't have to spare is an insult and possibly even something that could pursue legal action which I am not about to do. But I will be very wary of entering into more business with a company that believed they could sell something then decide to re-neg on the deal after the fact. I feel insulted on top of miffed for sure. I don't want to bash them I'd like to praise them for their good work but their' business model as it eveolves seems to be headed worse (for me) not better....

I do like their plugins. It's not a question of that at all. I don't own that many but those I do get used....

A lot of things are changing in the respect of selling things such as software and I get that whether I like the direction of change or not. I will stay with  more conventional solutions as much as I can for as Long as I can... I'm old, that shouldn't be too long!

5 hours ago, msmcleod said:

I've been weaning myself off Waves plugins for a while now - the biggest reason being the license seat restrictions.  At one point, I was buying two licenses for each plugin but of course that pretty much waved goodbye to the WUP cap.  The cap is still there, but it's per machine - so the cap is essentially twice the normal amount.

For analog emulations, I mostly now use Analog Obsession; for more clinical/creative work, I use MeldaProduction.  I'd bought enough Melda plugins over the years to get the complete bundle for a fraction of the price.  To be honest though, 99% of the time, the stock ProChannel EQ and compressors work fine for me.  I've also started using the Sonitus plugins more - they may not look great, but they're very good at what they do, and the CPU usage is very low.

One set of plugins I do find very useful, albeit as a temporary solution, is the CLA Drums/Guitars/Vocals/Bass etc bundle of effects.

If you've just done a tracking session, and want a very quick rough mix, slapping appropriate plugins on the appropriate tracks can give a pretty good approximation to a finished mix.  Very useful if you've just tracked a local band and want to give them something to take home with them.  It's far from perfect, but sounds orders of magnitude better than just a balance of the raw tracks.

 

I mostly stayed away because of their' policies. But the Abbey Road Studio 3 plugin was too much to resist. I still rely on it as I’m currently forced to working in cans (apartment living). The combination of the gorgeous sounding room and stunning Quested monitors has me! I see other companies with similar (?) programs of other rooms, but no one else has this!

other than that I use the puigchild 660/670 a lot but see alternatives if needed. Everything else I have of theirs I like but could live without.

56 minutes ago, Starship Krupa said:

I've become resigned to the fact that I'll have to clean up after some installers, ones that install AAX and so forth. To me, at least, the T-Racks products I have licenses for are worth the trouble of moving the ones I don't have licenses for. Especially their Fairchild 670 emulation.

Ha! That's funny! It so happens that one of the two Waves plugins I'm having my issues with them about is their Puigchild 660/670 which I like a lot. My main need from them though is by far the Abbey Road Studio 3 plugin... It has raised the bar on mixing in headphones for me and while I know there are some other companies including Slate who are offering plugins to do this... None use the Abbey Road Studio 3 Room and Monitors. The million dollar room with $100k Quested Mains is now MY room! I don't want to give that one up!

23 minutes ago, Starship Krupa said:

If what you're concerned with is not having Cakewalk scanning unnecessary demo plug-ins from a bundle and then displaying them in the Browser, you can delete (or move to an unscanned folder) the DLL's (including the .VST3 DLL's). I do this with IK Multimedia T-Racks, which installs every T-Racks plug-in regardless of which ones you have licenses for. I have a folder named TRacks and just drag the .VST3 files I don't want to the folder after installation.

If all you care about is just not having them show up in Browser, then what abacab said about using Plug-In Manager to exclude them from view is the ticket.

Thanks Eric...

That's what I had done in the past, but thought this time maybe a better way for me. The exclude list perfectly suits the bill for my needs.

I use a number of ik plugins. I like them a lot and have had good experiences with the few times I needed to contact them. But I ababdoned the rack stuff due to that methodology. They do the same for amplitube as well. All the amps, cabs, stomps, mics are installed but not unlocked. A bit of a storage waste/hog and still hoping they one day change this approach. I see it as a week point, not a sale incentive as they hope.

4 hours ago, craigb said:

I'm still trying to figure out this thread's title... ?

 

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(I mean, why is he sorry? ?)

As detailed elsewhere, I've lost THOUSANDS of dollars thanks to Waves... ?

Sorry for burning up others' time with my anger issues. I needed to vent among others who might understand....

8 minutes ago, abacab said:

If the plugins came with an installer, best to run their uninstaller. There are likely to be more loose ends with them, beyond just the .dll files, for example plugin support  and content (presets, etc.) files and folders here and there, not to mention registry entries. The .dll file is just the part that the DAW sees, but more is likely buried in various places in your hard drive (tip of the iceberg).

But if all you did to install a plugin was drag and drop a .dll into your plugins folder, by all means all you need to do is remove that. But most plugins today are not that simple anymore.

You can also go into "Utilities > Cakewalk Plug-in Manager" and exclude the plugins that you don't want to see. This is probably easier, and you are less likely to break something than trying to manually remove a bunch of plugins. They are also easier to restore that way, by simply reversing the exclusion.

Yeah, as I suspected....

I would love to simply run the uninstaller but I don't wantit to remove any that I actually use/want... and there doesn't appear to be any way to specify such during an uninstall unless I'm mistaken...

...but I like the exclude list method. That will suffice for sure...

Thanks abacab

OK... This has bothered me before but starting off on a new machine I'm hoping I can learn to manage this before it becomes an issue...

If I want to remove plugins from my list, do I simply remove the dll's (store for safety) and re-run vst scanner set to re-scan all? <sheesh>.... I hate re-scanning things already working....

I'd be ok except for one slip (so far) with BlueTunes... Somehow when I installed them, it also installed a load (more than twice as many as I own) of demo versions of their other plugins.... That's all I'm really trying to get out of vst library/list...

Any info would be appreciated...

Thanks...

Interesting...

Easy to use, but so far I haven't found any impulses to my interest...

The provided link to the IR library is appreciated, but I found it difficult to navigate and ever be certain of which I was listening to.... and none that I did listen to were useful for me... Far too much rrom sound in almost every impulse to allow for my practical use....

2 hours ago, batsbrew said:

ACTUALLY, i just saw a lot of knee jerk reactionism.

 

i think waves figured out they phucked up.

they changed their ways, and so i've got no worries,

and i doubt i'll ever need to buy another plug again, i've got everything i need now.

 

Yes, they did re-cant and brought in a more reasonable policy. I agree. I give them credit for the yield, but realize they had to be "hit over the head" to make that happen.

 I’m referring to the way they handle the edges if this stuff. They clobbered many old users without warning with the way waves central auto-updated on machines that the new version doesn’t work completely and disabled the old versions. Now they’re willing to re-authorize these old versions if we dance through a number of procedures that are difficult, additional cost in both tech and finance. I can’t do it so I’m forced to abandon those plugins on that machine though I paid for them.

4 minutes ago, Sheens said:

Maybe it was not so brilliant raising a generation on fast food, sugars and computer games (as now it's  Game Over),

 

That's OK... I would prefer a new "no game" version for a change...

19 minutes ago, craigb said:

Me too, but it wasn't my theory! ?

Whew!

47 minutes ago, JonD said:

The Sonitus plugins were offered as VST back when they were owned by a company called Ultrafunk .

I know because I paid $300 for the bunch about a year before Cakewalk bundled them free with an early version of Sonar (I still cry about that one).

If you google "ultrafunk and VST" there are a bunch of references to the plugins (some of them in the old CW discussion groups)!

 

I remember when Ultrafunk was around. That was back in the 32bit days. After Cakewalk owned them they were brought up to 64bit but only dx.

9 minutes ago, batsbrew said:

i've been using waves plug ins for over 10 years now,

and have never had a single issue.

 

just sayin'.

I’m glad fir you and I’m sure there are some others, but you must’ve noticed the huge upsurge of information regarding issues with them.

I enjoy the plugins, and the prices have always been reasonable, but if any issues arise they seem to be very difficult to deal with.

1 hour ago, craigb said:

I heard about the below cycle theory and it appears to be pretty accurate.  Not hard to tell where we are in the cycle either, is it?

 

Hard times create strong people.

Strong people create good times.

Good times create weak people.

Weak people create hard times.

Excellent... except I always have trouble with such subjective words such as good/bad, weak/strong, hard/soft etc.

5 hours ago, Sheens said:

By rude, cold and lacking humanity they adopted well to 2023 business/management standards.

Between you and me-> world is going down for at least 1 generation.

Probably longer... Nasty place!

3 hours ago, Michael Vogel said:

They’ve gone back to the old model and added subs as an option.

Try talking with them. They are rude, obstinate and cold. I’ve had better relationships with other companies... They had to be "forced" into doing this and the rules/methods of their operation are lacking in humanity.

All I can say is....

Ai, yai ai, yai ai, yai, ai!

37 minutes ago, OutrageProductions said:

If your Enet is running at 100M or better, you should be fine to store projects, etc. on it. Saves & autobackups may take a second more, especially is the NAS is caught off guard or asleep. I used to do it in ProTools all the time, but that was before VSTs became a thing.

I'd be a little wary of trying to load VSTi samples DFD from anything that is not directly on the machine be it NVME, SATA, or USB. If you have plenty of RAM then you should be fine.

Thanks...

I was pretty sure NAS is too slow as well. I’m desperately trying to solve the hard drive dilemma of this Mac Trashcan. A single 1TB internal drive dual partitioned for mac/win... Only connections on it are Thunderbolt 2 and USB 3... I currently have 2 SSDs connected via usb3. One dedicated to audio and the other to sample libraries. I originally believed the TB2 pirts at 20GB/s would suffice but I’ve since learned that the 20GB/s only yields about 5GB/s for drive throughput. Extremely disheartening as well as misleading making it only as fast (approx) as the usb3...

It's working just fine but a couple of days back i noticed the system doing some chugging on a full project with near 24 tracks of assorted plugins when I unfroze and edited some Superior Drummer tracks...

The machine is maxed out from apple with a 12core Xeon and 128GB RAM with dual 37” Apple cinema 4k monitors... Win10 bound...

...almost forgot. Network is 1G

1 hour ago, abacab said:

I have noticed that by default Reaper can recognize native DX plugins without any wrapper. Other hosts are likely not as accommodating...

Yeah... It was a valiant Microsoft vs Steinberg war and of course, the "little guy" won!

Hi Gang...

A thought just occurred to me and though it's a long shot, I'd like to ask...

If I have network attached storage (via ethernet wired) might it be faster than an external usb3 SSD?

Apple! What were you thinking???

<sigh>

5 hours ago, David Baay said:

Have not noticed this but have long wished that all plugins and Prochannel level and peak indicators would reset just as track meters do when playback is restarted. I have a shortcut bound to reset track meters at any time, but it has no effect on Prochannel modules.

Well... they mostly remain innocuous to me. They usually seem to reset all the time for me... Well, most of the time...