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57 minutes ago, scook said:

AFAIK, all the updates are still available on the old Cakewalk website through the knowledge base just like they have always been.

The X2a update is definitely there  and was never applied to the production X2 installer. Rolling updates were introduced after X3.

IOW, ALL Cakewalk products without a CCC aware installers need to have ALL updates manually applied for the DAW and it's content to be at their most recent version. The most recent installers shown in the CCC are the latest fully patched installers for those products.

Thanks for all the excellent info... As always you are the best!

I also want to thank you dor alerting me to the knowledge base in general. Now and earlier. I forget about it and simply search My Products for things.... I gotta make a note... somewhere... somehow! ?

10 hours ago, scook said:

Probably, AFAIK nothing has changed since day 1 WRT how CbB handies legacy installs.

I don't recall ever putting X1 on a Win10 machine.

My last Win10 build started with 

• a minimal install of X2 applying the X2a patch to get the last version of 64bit V-Vocal available
• a full install of X3
• a full install of Platinum
• a full install of CbB 

And finished by adding some legacy plug-ins using the appropriate version of SONAR's advanced install option. 

Regarding CbB crashing, here are a couple of posts from Frequently Asked Questions

 

 

 

Nice surprise!

Thanks for the lead once again scook!

I re-installed the re-distributable on the chance and voila! VV is once again working for me. A good secure feeling. Thanks for starting my day nicely again!

10 hours ago, scook said:

Probably, AFAIK nothing has changed since day 1 WRT how CbB handies legacy installs.

I don't recall ever putting X1 on a Win10 machine.

My last Win10 build started with 

• a minimal install of X2 applying the X2a patch to get the last version of 64bit V-Vocal available
• a full install of X3
• a full install of Platinum
• a full install of CbB 

And finished by adding some legacy plug-ins using the appropriate version of SONAR's advanced install option. 

Regarding CbB crashing, here are a couple of posts from Frequently Asked Questions

 

 

 

That's a thought...

I tried, but...

I looked to see if there's an available X2a patch, but couldn't find so I would think with as much time as existed from X2 release to Cakewalk leaving Gibson's rule that they would have incorporated that into the available final/only X2 version available long ago?

So I'm not sure why cronus.dll is crashing here, but that's ended my access to VV... (It is still working on my older DAW with win8.1)

39 minutes ago, Bill Phillips said:

Oh, your zeon processor is in a Mac. I was thinking it would be in a PC. Thanks.

Sorry... but it is the same processor and I run Windows 10 using Bootcamp as my native/default system. I get funny looks from developers but I have yet to find any issues in this matter. Other than limitations on migrating the partition and even that can be dealt with if really necessary.

Unless I’m mistaken (which I often am) Bootcamp merely creates a virtual Bios on which Windows runs connecting to all peripherals directly.

I've seen a few xeon pc's though they are rare but available if you look. Every bit as expensive as a mac. I believe they are often used for some heavy-purposed servers as well

Edit:

I should add that it’s now a thing of the past to run a mac this way since the company wide replacement of all Intel processors with their' m1/2/3 processors 

Interesting...

I just tried to load VV here... It crashes Cake every time. First time I've tried it on this machine. So it did get installed along with X1/2/3/Plat but the cronus.dll keeps crashing on win10. It was working fine on win8.1 <sigh>.... So far I must say I've been rather unhappy moving from 8.1 to 10... surprising with all the 8.1 bad talk...

I was a hard core VV supporter until relatively recent time... It seems they each have their strengths and weaknesses but the more I've used Melodyne, the less I think about needing VV (obviously).

Edit: I should add that I had to upgrade Melodyne to Studio before I felt this way along with a lot of hours editing!

12 minutes ago, Bill Phillips said:

AFAIK, the xeon processors are considerably more expensive than the core processors. Do the xeon's out perform core i7 & i9 processors with  Cakewalk? 

It seems so to me but I've not done any empirical testing. I always have a tone of resource headroom here so it's hard to know without such testing. This machine is a 2013 Mac Pro 6,1 (Trashcan) with 128GB RAM... I'm running Monterey on the Mac side which I never use and Windows 10 for my daily use as my DAW running Cakewalk by Bandlab!

1 hour ago, birera said:

While both devices claim to have Thunderbolt 2 and USB 3.1 connectivity, there may be a difference in speed depending on the specific model and its internal hardware. It would be best to compare the read and write speeds of both devices to determine which one is faster. Additionally, the quality of the cable being used can also affect the speed. If the manufacturer provides different cables with each device, it would be wise to compare them as well. Ultimately, it's important to choose a device that meets your needs and budget while also providing the best possible speed and reliability.

Thanks birera...

I finally got it as well set as this trashcan will allow. The TB2 seems a touch faster without empirical testing and I have settled on a setup that appears working better and well. I know it’s slower than the internal drive but I’m not noticing any drag so it should be fine. Pitiful apple minds that decided their flagship machine should be so restricted in such a fundamental fashion.

 I’m quite poor at this time of my life so I have to make do with what I can and these mac pro DAWs I’ve been working with are far more power than any average windows machines

I now have the TB2 port for streaming audio and the USB3 port for sample libraries. Each port has a spare slot that supports 2.5/3.5 drives so I’ve git room to grow too...

Thanks again for your input...

4 hours ago, abacab said:

Just to make your problem even worse, have you taken a look at the free Melda MConvolutionEZ yet? https://www.meldaproduction.com/MConvolutionEZ

A nice tidy collection of IRs, with rooms and spaces neatly organized in a browser. You can also open your own custom IR folders directly in the Melda browser. The free version is basically a preset machine, with basic controls for dry/wet, widening, hi/lo pass filtering, and pre-delay.

Ha!

Ok. I’ll give it a look asap. Right now the diffusion of my reverb is nearing ultimate chaos distribution...

38 minutes ago, abacab said:

That file is not available in the standard Platinum installers as far as I can see. I presumably installed them into a folder in my local drive years ago, but have no clue to a source link for them.

Yeah... I’ve got X1 up installed here with all their bells and whistles. The only things I didn’t install are loops and demo songs as I rarely use them. I’m not really fond of the popular synth style with huge libraries of all kinds of crazy stuff. I don’t have the patience as the music in my head usually demands more immediate responses. I basically use minimoog, arp2600, oberheim 8 voice, memorymoog,etc . I haven’t been doing anything cinematic in a long time so long ambiences are not often needed/used.

Same with these IR's... I’ve now got far more than I have the patience to sample through when looking for a reverb/room so I’m bound to randomly pick a few that I will use by default...

23 minutes ago, abacab said:

Good find, thanks!

When I have a spare minute will need to check them out. Lexicon was bundled with Sonar Producer up through 8.5. It was either dropped or replaced by something else in X1. Perfect Space Convolution was also available at the time from Sonar 5 through X3.

Here's a spreadsheet based on earlier work by members Mudgel and scook, that I updated years ago when Platinum was still king.

Sonar plugins Sonar 3 to Platinum spreadsheet: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1qNsnKBASsnsALygDDQSQ4jFW6yhZIJZcIpfwH-6qgy0/pubhtml?gid=0&single=true

Thanks for the link. Nice work my compliments to those involved.

 I’m now overloaded with more impulses than I have the energy to inspire! ? 

Interesting...

Nope. Can't find any such file on old DAW even on the backup drives, but I did discover...

Perfect Space IR Collection.....

Remember Perfect Space? I prior convolution reverb we were given? I haven't tried them yet but I'm guessing the impluses will load into ReMatrix Solo. Now to see if they're still of any value! ?

Edit:

Yup, So far I loaded all the Lexicon 480L impulses. All loaded successfully and sound fine except for 1 that exceeeded the 20sec limit...

Now to checkout all the others. Too bad Solo doesn't have a better filing system for user impulses but for the price? I guess a useful too for sure.

Now to checkout the remaining impulses as there are more than half a dozen libraries within it other than the Lexi...

Edit 2:

Very impressive but getting to be more than I need... I've imported the above Lexicon 480 impulses and the H3000 impulses and I think that's already approaching 200 impulses... Patience? Ha! Scanned a number of them and they are all usable and some sound quite sweet.... So it makes up for not finding the Anderton impulses.

Anyone else remember Perfect Space?

10 hours ago, treesha said:

I think the Anderton IR files are in this

AndertonCollectionSetup_1.0.0.25.exe

I own platinum, not sure when or how I got this file but I think they are in there

 

Thanks treesha!

I considered that but didn’t see it listed and thought it too "big" to jot be mentioned.

I guess it won’t hurt anything to add the other items even tho I never use them... they’re not tiny if 

I remember correctly...

I'll check it out this morning.

Edit:

I checked this morning and couldn't find such a file. The only one listed in My Products is the 30th anniversary Anderton FX chain collection. Very small and I didn't see it unpack enough to include IRs (I don't think)

I'll see if I can scan my old DAW including all my backups. Maybe I have it somewhere already?

I don’t speak the language, but I’ve been running xeon machines here for years.

My old DAW has dual xeon 6 core processors @3.06G total 12 cores

My new DAW has a single xeon 12 core with dual threading. Cakewalk sees it as 24 "cores"

Both continue to work very well with Cakewalk...

3 hours ago, abacab said:

Linux (technically GNU Linux) is a UNIX-like operating system. MacOS is a UNIX-certified system. Windows is neither.

Windows programs can only be native to UNIX or Linux  (or vice versa) if their program binaries have been compiled specifically for the target OS. That part is up to the  resources available to a developer to develop cross-platform applications. Not all choose to go that route. That's where dreaming is likely the only answer!

In fact Gibson/Cakewalk made an attempt at one time years ago to make Cakewalk cross-platform, but that project got cancelled early as there were too many issues to overcome. Obviously those were business resource constraints, but it illustrates the additional challenges if a program is not originally written from the ground up as cross-platform. But then add 20+ years of Windows-only baggage to the problem and there you have it! Cakewalk is Windows to its core.

Interesting...

In my memory, both windows, mac, DOS are/were all basically subsets of UNIX with a user interface...

Linux closer to full UNIX and bundled with various user interfaces...

...but no matter. I won't live to see the day of unification. One day all must be able to converse freely with all regardless of personal preferences...

5 hours ago, abacab said:

I think Linux fits somewhere in that theme. The support for old hardware can be found there.

FYI, I started out long before personal computers with mainframe computers that took up an entire room, so I've seen plenty of change since those days!!! ?

Me too!

First computers I worked with had no screens. Typed in info printed out to fanfold paper or punch cards fed in stacks. Mainframes! I remember them too.

I think Linux is an open source attempt at creating a user interface for pure UNIX, yes? Will be great if anyone writes the code that weds windows & OSx in a common environment. Allowing the use of programs designed for either platform to exist side by side.... I'm dreaming!

1 hour ago, abacab said:

That seems to be a common occurrence in general with web browsers going end-of-life for older operating systems. Web developers and browser developers eventually give up on them, plus there are often unpatched security issues that make it difficult to protect your personal information.

I had a Windows 7 system that I finally had to upgrade because support for Chrome and Firefox was ending. And a while back I had to replace a Mac Mini for a family member when their bank would no longer connect with the only version of Safari that OS could run.

It is what it is. Resistance is futile!

Yeah... Ive been using computers since before the mac or windows, so I’m used to the constant change. ...but the fundamental stuff such as text support and image display continued to work. Now it seems that is changing too.

The Industries are now continually forcing us to buy new even when we don’t need/want it. My iPad does the things I need it to as does my iPhone but I will soon be forced to buy new devices as the old software will no longer support the world at large. Extreme planned obsolescence!

Commercialism vs Communism... neither work as stand alone systems. Time to fuse all systems together so it encompases all! UNIX here we come! 

11 hours ago, abacab said:

The link is good.

Thanks again...

I just saw it on my DAW.... My iPad MINI is quite old and locked at ios 12.6.xxx I'm surprised how many developers are surprised when I tell them their' pages are not visible on Safari running on these older opsys.....

edit:

Ooops. Forgot to react!

Oh, that's because they said so little there's not much to react to, so I guess nothing has changed in my world...

1 hour ago, abacab said:

Waves Release Notes: https://www.waves.com/downloads/release-notes#v14

Ha!

Thanks abacab!

I don’t know if it was intended as a joke, but the link brought me to an empty waves page. Made me laugh if that’s the depth of their notes...

More likely it’s yet another page not displaying correctly on this old ipad mini (ios 12.6.3 I think)... I’ll try again when back at my DAW...

3 hours ago, abacab said:

I mentioned this earlier after observing the changes in v14.1.1, but just received the official email from Waves:

Dear Waves user,     
 
      We are glad to let you know that a new version of the Waves Central license management app, v14.1.1, is now available. The new version re-adds online installation of Waves legacy versions (v10-v13). With this new version, Waves plugins and bundles v10-v13 can be installed and managed online, in addition to offline installers.     
 
      The new version also includes several other improvements and fixes: See all release notes.     
 
      For any questions and assistance, please feel free to contact Waves Technical Support.     
 
      Best regards,
The Waves Team

Any links to the release notes? I’d like to see if they made any provisions for legit users on older OS than 10.

I'm guessing they made no provisions for the customers who got raped because they’re old?

1 hour ago, abacab said:

I find that Waves Central auto updating every time you run it is quite contrary to allowing you to control your own system. Not a good practice!

Exactly!

...unless totally benign to any existing situations. It should have tested for supporting OS and user's permission to alter anything of personal property. They destroyed fully paid for, authorized, and operating softwares in their' aggressive enforcement of their' desires!

2 hours ago, Yan Filiatrault said:

It won’t let me authorize either on Windows 95. So frustrating.

It already WAS authorized but they STOLE it by forcing Waves Central to update itself on a machine not supported by the version of waves central they forced onto my machine!

2 hours ago, Toffo said:

The OS is nearly 10 years old. While I agree they should still allow online authorisation until it literally can’t work, I don’t think it’s fair to expect them to continue to make core changes for an OS this old.

If coding changes to the authorisation system were needed to keep it running on 8.1, I wouldn’t expect Waves to make those changes. Ditto if supporting 8.1 will introduce security vulnerabilities somehow.

I don’t know if code changes or security issues are relevant here, I’m just making a general point.

I would respect that concept related to buying it now, but they stopped a working product that was paid for and the only recourse the offer to correct this has to cost me additional funds. That sounds like nasty business to me.

Imagine if your car suddenly stopped working with nothing wrong with it because the manufacturer would only allow it to run again by buying something else. I think most people would feel wronged and possibly even legal grounds if it was worth the cost if the plugins... obviously not so without a class action suit not gonna happen.

8 minutes ago, Bruno de Souza Lino said:

Yes, but they're the exact same IRs, so it wouldn't make sense to use them there.

 

Here.

https://www.overloud.com/downloads/presets

Thanks Bruno...

Just downloaded it!

1 hour ago, hillyard said:

Windows 10 Pro

Yeah, there's the rub.........

My problem is on a win8.1 machine which with Microsoft dropping it's support no longer "allows" Waves to activate it online (or so they say. Personally I believe it's all they are willing to do!)

1 hour ago, User 905133 said:

I have been trying to figure where I might have the code.  I have REmatrix Solo; it is installed in CbB (PC).  I have a whole bunch of presets.  I followed the instruction up until "(6) Enter the redeem code you received when purchased."

Did part of the procedure involve buying them for use with the Player?  I didn't get that impression from that page.  Does anyone know? 

To add to abacab's info...

No. Nothing needed to be purchased. If you have the Player version, the IRs load fine. It only involved logging into their' website and adjusting things there. I believe I recall a download link appeared for the solo IRs and loaded them into ReMatrix Player... I now have it in both solo and in player...