Keni

9 minutes ago, ALC said:

Thumbs up from this GNU Emacs user.  I remember using Epsilon on Windows (or was it MSDOS?).  Also used mg (back when memory and disk space was more precious).

yeah...

My first computer programming was on mainframes before they even had monitors. just punch cards and printouts. I even did some early "computer music" that way in 1969!

My first DAW ran a dual 5 1/4" floppy system. Hard drives were not yet available. Somewhere around 1985 They finally appeared with 5 and 10 Megabyte capacity!

BTW...

I was just wondering...

Will this affect the forum as well?

30 minutes ago, sjoens said:

It sounds like it won't look much different but will be vector based instead of image based. So doubtful there will be much interchange but there will be a new easier to use theme editor.  There's screenshots on the new site.

Toolbar arrangement aside. It looks like the Cakewalk we all know and love!

1 hour ago, Misha said:

Bruno, 

I agree, requirements are pretty steep for "average" machine.

A good and noble reason to maintain current CbB version available is... It is almost certain, many folks from less fortunate countries already adopted to it in the past several years, and since there are no compatibility issues with Win11, it should last for years "as is" with very minimal maintenance.  

 

P.S. Very curious if new versions will have classic "mercury" skin

 

 

 

 

 

ProTools and Logic are the same

5 hours ago, Bristol_Jonesey said:

I wonder what OS will be supported?

My studio computer will not upgrade to WIN11 so I'm stuck on 10

Their Specs Claim Windows 10 and up

38 minutes ago, mettelus said:

Unfortunately, they don't... The 6-month activation is embedded, so with the new SONAR release they can either force purchase or let CbB shift to DEMO mode on you. Not sure about features new to CbB that would prevent opening in older SONAR versions (AUX tracks/patch points was one but was in later X3 versions). Without an "official" path forward, I would recommend preparing accordingly (stem offloads at a minimum, just in case).

Yes, but they have also told us there will be one mor CbB update. Likely it will either remove the need for authorization or the authorizations will continue for anyone already in possession of CbB

They also confirm that it will continue to operate alongside both versions of Sonar!

 I can’t wait! I also look forward to checking out Next as I do operate both OS

11 minutes ago, ALC said:

Cakewalk Next supports Mac!  Rewriting a Windows DAW to support Mac is not trivial.

BandLab has been quite generous giving away such a full featured DAW all these years.

This made me think that it may be browser based or something similar. Maybe using a custom browser? Easy way to make the product compatible with multiple platforms.

Not for me though. I would love to have a mac version of Sonar (actually I do have one they tested long ago and I believe it still works in it's limited capacities as an experiment). Not that I want to work on a mac, but I use an intel mac running win10 under Bootcamp so it would be great to be able to work on either OS. I prefer the windows OS myself but I have so many friends....

Looking at the new website I notice (happily) that the pictures all still look like the Cake/Sonar I love....

Honestly? I can't wait! Many other old products appear to be included so it means they will get more development (if they haven't already) and maybe we can look forward to more of them now that "the gates are open" once again. I have near everything Cakewalk ever offered. I think Rapture Pro (or whatever the last version was that combined rapture and Dimension pro) is the only item I missed and would love to see that return and develop!

Right now I'm more excited that worried as their comments have been of good vibe. We'll see how it actually rolls out.

1 minute ago, Anxiousmofo said:

Oof.

Looking forward to them making good on the lifetime license I've already paid for.

I wish as I too bought it, but don't hold your breath. That was a product from a different company and has already long passed.

But they might offer "upgrade/crossgrade" prices for those of us who own Sonar? One can dream, yes?

OK...

Just finished reading everyone's first responses.

I did make a couple of quick replies along the way, but here's my thinking right now.

When Gibson dumped us I would gladly have paid for a new version from whoever bought us as I had been paying since the 12Tones days...

Instead... Surprise! It's free! So it's been great for years of this advantage. Now to continue it's progress changes are needed and it's going to cost. Oh well, it was nice free, but I'd have to pay someone else as well and there isn't a DAW out there that I prefer to Cakewalk/Sonar. I have an old copy of Studio One and I'm sure I could use it if forced but I'm not comfortable with their interface.... I have others and have had others. I still prefer Cakewalk and I'm thrilled that they're going to continue it's development as Sonar and not transform it into Next!

Unless their cost is ridiculous compared to industry value. I will be more than happy to go back to paying for Sonar! ...and my guess is that they might even offer some incentives for existing users to transition?

I'm sure many will think this way. I'm quite surprised when I see people speak surprise at a product going from free to paid successfully. It's one of the most tried and true methods I've ever heard of.

2 hours ago, Carlos Iglesias said:

The marketing people can now get to work to convince people that before they had a free product for a long time and now they are going to have to pay. These moves do not bring good news.

Have they specifically said that existing CbB users would lose what they have? They may unlock it so that authorizations are no longer needed. But no more updates...

2 hours ago, BTP said:

Has there ever been a free product that has been successfully turned into a paid product before?

Actually, many...

McAfee was once free. How many use it paid now?

10 hours ago, Bruno de Souza Lino said:

If you want really fast network storage, you're gonna be spending about the same price of that Mac if not more.

That too...

But I'm sitting ok now. With my audio streaming from a TB2 connected SSD and my sample libraries on a USB3.1 SSD I'm seeing good response...

1 hour ago, bitflipper said:

Huh? Aside from being superfluous in Cakewalk, which provides its own dithering, why wouldn't you expect a limiter to offer dither? Ozone can be run standalone, too, not just as a hosted plugin. It's meant to be a one-stop-shop for all things mastering.

Keni, I missed your comment that you had Ozone! Your solution's been right there all along. 

thanks bitflipper...

I didn't mention it at first mostly because I forgot that I have it. I don't remember the last time I used it. I did install it on this new DAW just recently, but it took a day or say to come to mind.

I guess I should give it a try... I've been so satisfied with the results from Adaptive I simply ran with what I knew works.

I've got a few new albums coming term soon so I'll start checking it out on in-house-work daily's in the meantime...

9 minutes ago, Bruno de Souza Lino said:

The more I look at it, the more it reminds me of Ozone, especially with the added features which no sane limiter should have, like dithering.

Ha! Funny as I mentioned in an earlier post here, I have Ozone and have been considering using it's maximizer functions as a replacement. I haven’t tried it much yet but I have an upcoming project I may try it with...

2 minutes ago, Bruno de Souza Lino said:

CbB also comes with a Limiter called Boost11. Whilst not adaptive, it's there.

I presume the Adaptive Limiter was as resource intensive as the Linear Phase EQ and Multiband.

 

Or more so...? I have boost11 as well as concrete, but they are nothing like Adaptive...

2 hours ago, Starship Krupa said:

In addition to Unlimited, which I really like, another free solution is Limiter-Z by LVC Audio.

D16 also make a freebie adaptive limiter called Frontier.

I count at least 4 possible no-cost solutions, at least one of which I can personally vouch for. No need to either suffer with one that's not working properly or spend any money.

Thanks Starship.

I'll check these out too.

I probably don’t really suffer much with AL, and was only feeling irked at the moment of OP. But always interested in alternatives..

2 hours ago, bitflipper said:

Well, honestly the most prudent course of action is to stick with what's working for you already.

If you're just looking to relieve some GAS pains, maybe acquire some cool effect to play with instead. If you don't have any ValhallaDSP stuff yet, go there, close your eyes and randomly pick one. They're all great, and they're all 50 bucks apiece. The freebies are very good, too.

Very True...

Not really GAS either though. I really don't want to buy anything right now in this range of dreaming... I was just feeling tired of the little issues that plague me as I carry old things along...

I still use 2 32 bit plugins regularly because they still sound great and I can't afford the purchase solution. I make poor seem like a good goal these days... More little issues

Oh well. Thanks for your insights and suggestions. I'm guessing that I'll stick with what I have for the time being.

17 minutes ago, bitflipper said:

Yes, Adaptive Limiter was an excellent plugin and it would be great if Bandlab would bring it back, along with the CA2A compressor. Dimension Pro, too, as long as we're wishing. You never know. Lots of cool things are in the works. 

In the meantime, there are gobs of good limiters to pick from. If you don't mind throwing some bucks at it, FabFilter's Pro-L2 comes closest to the AL experience. By that, I mean a) great results with minimal effort, b) a friendly graphical interface, and c) efficient enough that multiple instances won't over-burden your CPU.

Thanks BF...

So far it's the leader of the pack from what I'm seeing. But I've gotta justify the cost as Adaptive is working fine here.

I also have Ozone whose maximizer portion is in the right direction though I must admit I'm a bit confused about some syntax and controls...

2 hours ago, sjoens said:

Actually just had this happen yesterday after loading it 2x in a simple project.

Sorry to hear, but not surprised... I've really had very little trouble with it but it can be glitchy enabling/disabling at times. Not always. Why? I'm still not sure...

Same with trouble closing. I've never been able to 100% reproduce. It's sporadic and may be involving interrelationships with other plugins in the given project?

I continue to use it because I like it and have lived with these issues for so long they feel "normal" to me, but every once in a while I think...

"wouldn't it be nice..."

1 hour ago, Xoo said:

I don't see this with Adaptive Limiter and I use it on pretty much every project.  It's never crashed on me and CPU usage doesn't jump when it's enabled.

Interesting...

I'm glad it's working so cleanly for you. I do really like this piece of tech.

It's behaved this way on three of my machines as well as a couple of others I used back in time... It often causes glitches when enabled/disabled as well, but after I've finished my tinkering and export my file, all is well. So I continue to use it in all of my mastering.

...but I am getting tired of the little bugs so I thought to explore what else is out there. Right now I'm still using it but toying with the maximizer in Ozone as an alternative?

...and checkout out these cool suggestions others have found.

3 hours ago, TracingArcs said:

Can recommend the Toneboosters https://www.toneboosters.com/downloads/TB_Installer_v1.6.0_legacy_win.zip I use all of them in particular the Limiter.Which I find very clean and transparent. And Unlimited is also good.

Thanks...

Nice to see so many interesting options...

6 hours ago, Quick Math said:

You can try Unlimited. Its a free plugin and relatively easy to use (no attack nor release).  It's probably the best among free limiter plugins and I think it's as good as commercial products or even better. 

https://plugins4free.com/plugin/2843/

Other than that, some people say they like barricade by tonebooster which used to be a commercial product. Their v3 plugins are free so you could try it as well. 

Personally I do not own Adaptive limiter so I wish I could have it. 

 

 

Thanks...

Checking it out too...

53 minutes ago, TW5011 said:

A number of newer cars don't include a CD player anymore.  So people are being forced to use digital media (whether ripping CDs or streaming), unless they want to listen to just the radio.

I know of people who still buy CDs, but that audience has shrunk so much, so I understand why CD Baby is doing it.

An ironic point to this is that CDs still have better audio quality than streaming audio... so it's not like when cassettes or VHS were discontinued.

Very true...

They only get lossless from select services and downloads vs. basic lossy  streaming...

3 minutes ago, bitflipper said:

FabFilter Pro-L

Might also consider sonible's "smart" limiter, which is currently on sale for 49 EUR.

Thanks bf!

I'll check 'em out...