Terry Kelley

At some it would be good to collect together the various actions we try to get V-Vocal to work once it decides to go south. I'd love to hear other's tricks. And yes, we have beat the Melodyne option horse to death. This is about working around V-Vocals short comings. For me, I try one or more of the following in this order. 1. Disable all effects. Strangely this works enough times to give it a try. 2. Bounce the clip. Try bouncing by itself, then try bouncing with adjacent clips, then give up and move to option 3. 3. Bounce to stereo then open V-Vocal. If it fails, convert to stereo and back to mono (if that is where you started.) Then try 4. 4. Close the program and restart. It rarely works but sometimes .... 5. Reduce the size of the clip to as short as possible and still be able to make the changes I want. It could be as small as 1 second. This is one of those solutions that makes me think V-Vocal is running into some other chunk of memory Cakewalk is using. Hence the C0000005 (you ain't supposed to be in here.) 6. Copy the track/clip to a new project but I almost always have to close the other project where the crash occurs or the new project will crash too. Make the changes and copy it back into the original project. I often copy an instrument track with the clip to help identify the pitch changes I want, but I add that with no effects. Either way, editing in a new project almost always works. I'd say 95%+. 7. If I get the empty V-Vocal window, I bounce the clip which works and/or convert to stereo and back to mono. but I usually have to close the project and restart. If Cronus or Vpenc don't decide to crash, the wave is usually there. If it crashes, I will be forced to option 6. 8. If the volume of the clip is low enough, you might find notes where you don't get the initial yellow pitch line. The waveform is there but no yellow level/pitch line. Exit V-Vocal and raise the gain of the clip 6db (or more) until you get the yellow line across the complete note. Edit the clip, render and then reduce the gain by that same amount. I see this at the end of long notes where there isn't enough signal for V-Vocal to follow it as the note decays. The line will end before the note actually does. Most crashes are in Cronus and Vpenc. Once in awhile, Cakewalk will just close. I never see a VPSoloDec crash. The reliable option 6 is a bit of a pain but once you start doing it you get pretty quick and it's faster than trying the other options first. Just accept your destiny. To gmp, your suggestions are exactly what I see but pretty much head for option 6. Moving the clip in memory seems to make it work again.

No doubt. It appears the equivalent is Assistant for $300. Just from my comparison. Is 5 more stable than the previous versions? In the meantime some of us will share our V-Vocal workarounds.

I'll post it in the 2021.4 thread. Maybe something is amiss. Thanks for the followup Chris.

I looked into this more and it turns out there was a Tempo node out at 7:44. I am not sure why since I didn't intentionally add it. I deleted it and it stops correctly and CTRL-End is at the correct spot.

I just saw the update and installed it. I'll see if it acts any different. Still ... it could be me.

This is interesting. I never thought of this and tried it on a 5:16 song. Ctrl-End took me to 7:44. There is nothing out there or past 5:16. But you would think it would take you to the last bit of data.

He made a mistake and thought it was Cakewalk. Syphus made the point.

Oh I see what you mean. That could be useful. Mute too.

Could someone else try this? Pick an audio track and switch it to mono. I am hearing it delaying the sound by around 100-200ms. I tried builds .098 and 155. Same results. I then took one track, soloed it, duplicated it and confirmed in stereo they are sync'd Then I switched one to mono and I can hear the delay. Terry

Ah, good call! Fuera de tiempo

Use what ever language you want. We will figure it out. 1. Does the "Stretch" editing tool sound out of date when applied to Audio Clips? What do you mean "Out of date"? ¿Qué quiere decir "desactualizado"?

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You want something other than the green solo S on each track? Looking at Track Manager, it's still possible you'll have to scroll it like track view to see everything.

You might have to contact them and have them deactivate the old one manually on their side. I had to do this with Xpand!2/iLok. They did it withing hours.

On the freebee? That's what I have. On mine, I can't play anything above the 4th fret on all but the high E on the fret-board. On the keyboard I can play all the way up but if you watch, it only plays in the 1-4 fret range until it gets to the high E. That will go all the way to the top of the neck. Maybe there is a magic setting to go higher? It's not like I read the book ...

I think Ample Guitar is 5 or7 frets. And it won't go below the standard guitar tuning. Same for the bass . Still useful for the most part.

I think in one way or another each of us have expressed our reasons for liking and wanting to use TTS-1. It's not a one-off by some internet random. Old, oh yeah, but when functional, it's extremely useful. But to your other point, yes, many of us have learned it's limitations and don't expect it to fill every need. I do agree with your point about (generally) avoiding the myriad of one-off VSTs floating around. But I don't see TTS-1 as one of them.

Did you insert the TTS-1 with the Instrument Track per Output checked in the Insert Soft Synth Options? When you do, it creates 4 tracks for each output. Then you go into the TTS-1 settings and assign each "Part" to an output. You then route those 4 to some master or main output. You can insert audio effects on each track but you are stuck with any/all Parts sent to that output going through the same effects. You can alternately, assign each midi track to an output one by one, freeze it, copy that to a new track and keep going until each one has it's own track and therefore can have it's own audio effect. Your questions imply you missed a step somewhere.

Ok.

Actually it hasn't. If you do a search on the internet you can find people battling it back as a far as 2006. I've done a ton of experimenting trying to nail down what breaks it and what fixes it after it breaking. At a minimum I've discovered that once broken (freezes, crashes with C0000000005, just closes Cakewalk with no error, etc.) it will never work again. You can't back out tracks, move stuff, remove and add it again - nothing. It does appear to be related to the amount of memory you are using. If you start a project with it, it works. Now start adding other stuff. At some point it's likely to stop working even thought you didn't touch TTS-1 directly. I have a couple of crash files I test with when a new version of Cakewalk comes out wondering if it might start working. It never does. And to be clear it's not CbB's fault or their product. They would likely fix if they could considering they fix CW bugs within a month while adding new features.

Yeah, my requirement to add it to Cakewalk is dumb. I was stuck in Satellite. I would be happy to just be able to stream high quality audio to a friend. I'll check those out. Thanks!

I’ve been looking for something that would allow me to stream high quality stereo to a friend. The latency isn’t an issue . Something I can insert in the master output. I don’t want to have to always do a stereo mix and then send it to them via email, One Drive, etc. I hit play and they hear it some milliseconds later.

Thanks for updating this Colin. I can't live without it. Well, I can but prefer not too. Well, I won't do anything drastic but I really like it.

It was a bully in high school! I don't think I'm hurting its feelings. I love TTS and wish it worked better. I get that it's old and can't be fix but when people post asking why it's going stupid, well, you know ... But I will point out that their frustrations are valid and it requires finesse to use it. And finish with snark. Use it early, use it a lot, freeze and get out.

Are you using the Sonitus Reverb by any chance. This FX plugin will kill audio or make horrible sounds when it decides to be mean.