Astraios

I wish I could agree with you, but I think some people would disagree with you... Anyway, the Sonar PRV is really far out.

What amazes me is that there's a multi-million dollar industry for MIDI controllers, represented at various music and audio trade shows around the world, yet I can only find one page on remote control in the Sonar manual, which is over 1,400 pages long... Why is the topic of remote control so neglected? Over 15 years ago, I was amazed at how difficult and complicated it was to get anything working with my CME VX MIDI keyboard that involved more than just controlling volume and pan. The entire process is either not documented or only inadequately documented. What surprises me most, though, is how many users have simply given up on the subject.

Hello Mr. Cakewalk and Mrs. Sonar, I have a small (big) request for the programming team: Would it be possible to color-code all envelopes assigned to a remote assignment in the clip editor, so you can see at a glance which ones already have a remote link? Sometimes I have 5, 10, 20, or 30 envelopes in the Clip Editor and it's difficult to see which ones already have a active remote connection. If you delete the envelopes for storage reasons, the remote assignments remain in the project – but then you no longer have any overview of the remotes that have already been assigned. That would be great.

Hey thanks, I just saw your message yesterday, and that's a great idea. I created an "All Tracks Folder" and put all the tracks into it. Now I can instantly turn all the echoes on and off in the Track Manager. There is no way to Remote-CTRL or automate this... Echo in Track Manager on-off.mp4

Another Sonar User just confirmed this behaviour too ...

Hi and Hello, If you activate the Echo button with a mouse click in the Track Pane, this also happens simultaneously in the Track Manager. If you then assign the same Echo button via MIDI Remote (with a CC), the Echo button will not be displayed as active (blue) in the Track Manager. This means that the Echo button will be blue in the Track Pane, but not in the Track Manager. 🙃 (in a regular way you can't even create this scenario that is pictured) Also this issue does not occur with Mute, Solo or Rec button.

Yes, but it is very, very thin...

Hey guys, it would be so much nicer and more pleasant if a small border surrounded the Track Manager window. As it is now, the window barely stands out from its surroundings.

Hi Mr. Cakewalk and Mrs. Sonar, after proving the potential of this DAW with your redesign of the Track Manager, I'd like to ask you another favor. Could you create another browser window for the VST Parameters and the Remote Control (like in FL Studio --> see photo?) This would be soooo cool!! And of course, it could be much better than it is in FL. For example, it would be great if each VST parameter had a specific color when assigned to a remote, and if you could see the assigned remote CTRL command right next to it. Make Sonar great again 😁

I just love it - it's great!!! 😁 Finally in color and I can see all active echoes at a glance - and MSR, etc - It's an insane tool now and it will be my new favorite command view in Sonar.

and sometimes, when you change the track assignment of the MIDI tracks in the SynthRack editor, such changes can also occur... In this case (picture) I changed (in Synthrack) from one MIDI Track to another 😅 the old VST parameters will then remain in the previous track as "orphaned" If the orphans are then deleted and the remaining envelopes removed, they will all be there again the next time the project is started, despite saving. At least, that's how it is for me. You can delete the orphans individually (by delete Envelope), which closes the clip editor window completely. With a hundred orphans, you'll probably spend an hour sitting there.

@Wookiee I have also experienced saving it in one representation and then the next time I started the project it was in the other representation 🫡

For the past year, I've been working a lot with MIDI tracks, VST parameters, envelopes, and remote controls. I'm basically studying the stuff, and that's when I noticed something. It's not random...

Hi, maybe I'll figure it out someday: sometimes one view appears in the clip/track editor and sometimes the other...? In the two photos, you can see the VST parameter envelopes of a plugin in the Track Pane --> Clip Editor. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- To clarify this a little more precisely, I must add that both images show the same plugin/soft synth in the same project. If anyone has figured it out before me, I'd be happy to hear from you.

Thanks for the message and your effort. I don't think the question was understood correctly. The point is that the remote is assigned to a VST envelope. I may not have been able to express myself with the greatest possible technical precision, but my statement referred exclusively to the hierarchical position of the Remote Control assigned to an envelope.

Hi, one more question regarding "Remote Control"? There's something I don't understand: Even though I've muted all tracks and turned off all echoes in all tracks, Sonar receives incoming MIDI CCs and still controls the soft synth after following Remote settings (CC27 Chn-7 Spire Vol) (foto beyond)...? Does that mean MIDI Remote has absolute priority and is above everything else in the hierarchy? The command flow can only be deactivated if I delete the remote command. I've never noticed this in 20 years of Cakewalk life. In this case, midi data is being transmitted to sonar that can only be measured with an external midi controller?

Hmm, sometimes Cakewalk/Sonar is really merciless... it just doesn't want to (special) copy my clip editor labels or include them in the template. Bad luck again. I already suspect there won't be a solution for this 🙈

Exactly, track templates - but I copy the VST envelopes of the soft synth from one project to another

Thx for the hint - The concept is unusual but not bad - let's see if I can handle it. I think the CC indicator bar is really cool.

Hm, ...? Something went wrong

Hi, just as Amberwolf said... why not 1,2,3 or 4 measures back? In Cakewalk by BandLab (formerly Sonar), the keyboard shortcut to move the playhead back one measure is Ctrl+PgUp. To move forward one measure, you can use Ctrl+PgDn. You can also use the left and right cursor keys to move by measure.

Hmm, sometimes Cakewalk/Sonar is really merciless... it just doesn't want to (special) copy my "Clip Editor envelope-labels" (containing information of CC and Channel) or include them in the template. Bad luck again. I already suspect there won't be a solution for this 🙈

It is available on their Discord Website, but it was a dissapointing show up... As far as I can see "PizMidi Monitor" has best options: https://thepiz.org/plugins/?p=midiMonitor Resizable, scrolling midi monitor. Change background colors to your liking. Optionally shows raw MIDI byte data. Can save log as text or midi file. 64-Bit

And as I see it only works on oddamn 32-bit(ch) and ahhh 😗it has to be started in BitBridge mode to be able to open two instances. There is another (Free) VST-Monitor from AIXDSP, but I'm not able to download it, hmm?