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Not to mention the number of people who wouldn't touch Adobe's licensing policies with a 10' pole. Vaguest Pro is already supposedly a pretty capable DAW, it can do multitrack, has full support for MIDI and VST3's. I read that it began life as a DAW before morphing into a video editor. The Fairlight module looks like a nice tool for working with movie audio. Not quite a threat to So Gnar, Cube Ace, Re: Purr, Mick's Craft, Protules and the gang, but I bet plenty of people find it adequate for its intended task. I think that most DAW's have included at least rudimentary video support for a while now. With Mick's Craft, it includes such things as editing, titles, even some simple effects and transitions. I did a couple of music videos where the only reason I had to involve Vaguest Pro was that Mick's Craft's video rendering libraries, at least at the time, created insanely large files. They didn't have much sense of urgency about correcting that situation. People probably don't buy the program to make videos with it, but its capabilities were a pleasant surprise. All I really need from a DAW is to be able to load and play a video file so that I can compose/edit audio to it.

Seems like we hit them so hard during the "basically free if you have a voucher" sales that the only ones we want are on the excluded list. I'll just have to wait patiently for Battalion and an upgrade to alpha compressor. Sigh. I don't even use alpha compressor, I just like having it around for some reason. Why is this "I might be able to make good use of it someday" idea so deeply ingrained with me?

Right, Video Pro X. I got a license for it in a Humble Bundle, but Vegas still feels best to me. Vegas' origins as a DAW help it feel familiar to me. Pro X looked like a really nice program, and I took a good look at it. It was odd for MAGIX to have two essentially competing NLE's. It would seem odd for a company to want to purchase both of them. I've wondered about the structure of their dev staves. IIRC, Vegas Pro was still being developed by the same US team that goes back to the Sony era? I wonder if Pro X is also being developed by a semi-independent team. Legacy programs being developed by legacy developers. Sonar is certainly one. I wonder if some of MAGIX' software development is set up in a similar way, with teams of different people working in different locations. A collection of remote offices. Divestiture surely means the end of the Humble Bundle upgrade plan. Considering the minimal use Vegas Pro gets around here, I think whatever version I'm stuck with will be fine for a good long while. I have the one where they finally got it right with using the GPU to accelerate rendering. I did a comparison of rendering the same project with and without the GPU acceleration and the difference was stunning. The cheapskate world seems to be migrating to DaVinci anyway, so maybe I'll wind up on the DaVinci train if I can't get cheap updates for Vegas.

It didn't occur to me that anyone might suggest Matrix View as a substitute for a phrase sampler and I didn't think you were. Yes, Matrix View has some limitations. It feels like a feature that stopped about 3/4 of the way to the finish line. Adding integrated samplers to Sonar is halfway there at the moment, it does have XSampler. Unfortunately, of Next's two sampler instruments, XSampler is the one that's less useful to me. I want to trigger dialog samples and sound effects and make my own drum kits. Those are all jobs for a phrase/pad sampler. Among the plethora of freeware audio plug-ins now available, phrase samplers are underrepresented. Sitala looked like it was shaping up before it went freeware-no-more.

Given that one of them, Vegas Pro, is for video production. As someone who holds licenses for Vegas Pro and Sound Forge, I'm interested to see what becomes of them.

Oh awesum. I have a special fondness for Intel enthusiast battlewagons, witness my current i7 6950X. I got it and a cooler and MB for the cost of shipping from a forum dude who didn't want to have to toss it. It has 10 physical cores, so Sonar sees it as having 20 logical cores. At this point it should last me a while longer. I have it slightly 'clocked to 4.1GHz That thing should last you until you finally retire it out of sheer boredom at having the same computer for 15 years. Intel says that the standard clock on the 3820 is 3.8GHz. You're going easy on it at 3.6 though? It probably runs like a bat out of hell anyway. I mean, compared to how common wisdom thinks it should run. I'd be tempted to re-paste the cooler and try to turbo it up to 4.0 or higher. I somehow found a magic combination of BIOS settings that let my Dell Optiplex i7 3770 sit steadily at 3.9 all the time. You are my kind of computerist indeed. Sandy Bridge PC and Intel Mac 4lyfe. There are ways to get Catalina (or even later, maybe Ventura) on that MacBook, so don't feel like it's done for if some of your software is starting to complain. Someone was poo-poohing my assembly of a 6th gen Intel system when 11th or 12th was already out, fortunately none of my apps care what generation my processor is. The OS does, but it can be fooled if I want. You decide when your computer is obsolete, nobody else.🤨 I was watching a video about Four Tet, he was giving a seminar to some younger people interested in learning EDM production. I figured that he'd whip out a sleek wafer thin MacBook, plug it into a portable UAD Apollo, maybe hook up some airplane cockpit pad controller.... His system was a hopelessly funky Dell laptop, it looked like the stickers were holding the lid together. He ran a line out from its headphone jack into the board. Probably using ASIO4ALL. I hoped he was doing regular backups.

Now that (full, not free) Sonar comes with integrated access to tens of thousands of excellent one shot samples, I'm feeling the DAW's lack of a native phrase sampler more acutely. It feels like having 5 gallons of ice cream in the freezer but no spoon to eat it with. As of now, the only way Sonar gives you to use audio samples in songs is within audio tracks, each in its own clip. This is not practical for many common uses of one shot samples such as making drum tracks. Typically, a phrase sampler lets you do such things as create your own drum kit by assigning samples to individual slots. The samples are then triggered by MIDI notes. Sonar has a sampler instrument, but it only has a single slot. You can't make a drum kit using only one sample. Maybe you can, but it won't be very interesting. There are very few DAW's in the modern day that don't come with a multi-slot phrase sampler. At the moment, I can't think of a single one except Sonar. XSampler has been a part of Sonar for some time now. It seems to be a port of the same instrument from Cakewalk Next. Could we get Next's X Pad Sampler too?

Of the companies that could have purchased these products, I would not have suspected a company known for its VFX.

It may depend on whether you're running Sonar pro or free tier. If you're running pro, then what Glenn said: the CbB uninstaller may uninstall some files that are being used by Sonar. Since I think there may be some things such as ProChannel FX (PC 2/A?) that were included with CbB and not with Sonar free tier, you'd be better off just leaving the CbB installation alone. It only takes up about 500MB on your drive.

Well done! It's my policy to squeeze as much use out of a computer system as possible before retiring it. I "run the wheels off." My next system after I've made one run as long as possible is never a brand new one. Your system is probably an i7 3770? An i7 3770 with 16G of RAM and an SSD should, IMO, run Sonar just fine. There was just a discussion on the forum regarding Sonar's minimum system requirements. The amount of horsepower needed for Sonar to do its thing hasn't increased since it was SONAR. To the contrary, the devs say that during the CbB years they've only made the code more efficient. While features have been added, they're not of the sort that need a lot of resources. When the time comes for Sonar to get stem separation, I'm almost sure that it will be like the stem separation in Next: it will use BandLab's stem separation engine, which runs on BandLab's servers. Next uploads the file to be separated to the server and the server sends back the stems. The actual system requirements for having a good user experience in Sonar really depend on what and how many plug-ins you typically use and whether you're willing to use track freezing during the creation of your project. If you're doing audio-only projects and stick to bread and butter FX like compression, EQ, modulation, and reverb, then your system should be good for some time to come. Even if your process is more like my current one, using all virtual instruments and creative effects for sound design, if you favor virtual instruments that aren't doing a ton of physical modeling, it's still a viable rig, without even needing to freeze tracks.

That's really the thing: unless you need to be able to schlep your computer around, or you don't have enough room for a tower system, a tower is still the way to go. At least for now, at least today. I keep thinking it's got to change, but it keeps not changing. Micro PC, if you want to set up a system in your living room for media and browsing, in a public space as a kiosk, they're great. Laptop, if you need to be able to work on the same system both at home and in hotel rooms, dorm rooms, coffee shops, need to take it into a client, that's the ticket. But the micro PC will have compromises regarding thermals and will favor price over performance. And will have fewer options when it comes to upgrading. The laptop will likely be packing more CPU/GPU wallop but will also have compromises around thermals and limited capacity for expansion. The built-in screen will be smaller than the smallest screen you'd ever consider for anything but a laptop and there will be only one of them. So if size and portability aren't critical, and by that I don't mean "handy to have," the tower still rules 45 years after IBM created the form factor. It's the other ones that are "humble." Horses for courses, says I. I have a tower for resource intensive uses, I have a laptop for carrying around. I don't try to take the tower out of the house and I don't try to make the laptop do everything the tower can.

Unfortunately I am quite capable of missing something in plain sight. 🙄This feature also hasn't been around long for me to get good at. The only thing that comes to mind is that I somehow had another category or categories already selected, which could mask the presence of what I was looking for. Maybe it was a fluke.

I found that too and actually sent them a ticket. Got a nice response saying that it was a great idea and that they would forward it to the ideas people. Then I found this mere hours after this pleasant exchange😣: Either I need to get good at navigating the search function or BandLab are QUICK about following up on users' good ideas.😄 How did I miss this? Well, I've had trouble with finding things in the sounds collection. Not trouble that I can fully articulate at the moment. I need to spend time with it and see how I'm missing things. There's some interesting stuff in here. It says there are 142 sound effects and Foley collections, and each one seems to have about 100 sounds, so maybe 14,000 individual sounds in this category? I'm kinda blown away. One of the membership benefits. Takes care of my sound effect library needs right inside the program.

Company who pulls stupid crap like this needs to realize: everyone was doing just fine before your fabulous and indispensable service came along. Not only since people started editing videos on our computers, since we started making and using computers, but the millennia of what is considered human history and before that. Fine. We flourished even. And if your service vanished tomorrow, or if it had never come into existence in the first place, nothing would be different about the world, nothing. I create videos on my computer, I spend at least 10 hours a day in front of an internet connected computer, move terabytes of data around and I never heard of either of these outfits until now. That's how essential they are to this heavy computer user and content creator. It's amusing to see them get called out on their silly (and not necessarily enforceable) EULA's. They know instantly what impact it has on their business by analyzing traffic to their servers. Oops! Wah wah waaaaahhhh.

Don't be. Several years back, Apple decided to bring a HUGE amount of engineering effort to bear on the issue of processor power consumption and heat generation. They came to the conclusion that the best way to go about it was to develop their own CPU's. So "Apple silicon" was engineered from the very start, ground up, to be more efficient. Microsoft is only now getting serious about Windows on ARM, so they have some catching up to do. Multiple DAW's including Sonar, now have ARM builds. So perhaps in the near future, the answer to what would be the best tiny Windows DAW computer will be "one with an ARM CPU."

Maybe this wasn't the best place to ask this. The collection is produced/curated by BandLab. Is there some way to send requests/suggestions to the BandLab powers that be?

Maybe a modifier key. Like if you invoke the command while holding Alt, it applies trimming before sending it?

Same person I submitted them to. Morten Saether. AFAIK, he's still in charge of documentation.

The longer a document has been around, the more the author(s) and users become blind to errata. After the first CbB Reference Guide was published, I was still new to it and created a document where I could write down errors. Every so often, I'd PM a list of them to Morten Saether. The great majority of them got incorporated (some of them were my own misunderstandings). I stopped after it stopped feeling like such a "target rich environment." Maybe became blind to whatever's still there, or just never accessed those parts of the manual. So my suggestion is to note and submit whatever errata you find. The guy in charge of documentation is good about fixing them. The more eyes on it the better, I think.

Hmm, merge/tie notes. I like that idea.

I, too, like being sure which type of plug-in I'm using. And I favor VST3 plug-ins. VST2 technology will fade away sooner than VST3, and any plug-in that I only have in VST2 form is on the older side. Some people start a project, finish it, archive it and go on. Some people, like me, have dozens of non-completed projects that we revisit when we feel like it. Starter ideas, ones I couldn't figure out how to finish, etc. Right now, my composition method starts in the box, with soft synths and creative FX. The DAW is effectively my "instrument." So it collects ideas just like my piano or guitar. With the DAW, it's easier to save and remember. I can work on an older project, I can search them for ideas to combine, etc. So plugin longevity is important. Newer is better, "still supported" is best. Let's hope that whenever we get access to custom color schemes, we're allowed to set these colors.

An extensive "theme editor" as CbB had will likely never come, and I don't have a problem with that. I leaned so hard into it because it was fun and the older button iconography rubbed me the wrong way. The buttons have been mostly fixed. I just want to be able to set colors. That's it. I don't need to design my own sets of buttons and controls. I'm in the aging eyesight crew, finding Sonar to be less and less legible and finding myself going back to CbB or even SONAR for some operations. As for how the devs are making their color themes, I suspect that there's a table that maps screen elements to color values. Put in a new color number and the corresponding screen element changes. For a dev to do it, they have to alter the code directly, which requires the administrative overhead of checking the module out, la la la. It may be that they are going to come up with a dialog in the new style for color assignments, it seems unlikely that they would try to reuse the old custom color dialog. And a color picker dialog is surely lower priority than sexier dialogs that users will access more often, like the new Track Manager. Maybe it would be part of a whole facelift for Preferences. The way to make it higher priority is to post right here in this forum, so well done to everyone who has. IIRC, the earlier Theme Editor evolved from an in-house tool that may never have been intended for end users to get their hands on. Would explain the....idiosyncrasies of Theme Editor. It was a lot of fun, though, and I loved having that level of customization available. Themeing became a whole other hobby, and I suspect more people have used the themes I made with Theme Editor than have listened to my recordings....

So I guess I was right about that. The "minimum requirements" are more about the (over)use of plug-ins than about the DAW itself. Heaven knows, when a n00b wants to fix something, the first thing they reach for is another effect plug-in. When I revisit my own early projects I'm astonished at how many friggin' plug-ins I thought I needed. Or actually did need. Also, in the hours and hours I've spent watching YouTube tutorial videos, I don't know if I've ever seen one that got into freezing tracks. Which is a pity, because it can extend the useful life of older/low spec systems, or let me be productive when I can't be at my usual DAW computer. 25 plug-in laden tracks become 25 audio tracks. We don't even seem to recommend it much here on the forum. WTH happened to track freezing?! Cheap RAM and faster CPU's I guess. Maybe I'll recommend a "track freezing" tutorial to one of our YouTube people....but it could just be my own perception that they are few. I think it could be valuable for "expectation management" to educate n00bs about track freezing: either cool it with the plug-ins or learn how to freeze. My frugality expresses itself in a preference for plug-ins that don't gobble resources (also tuning my system like it's an F1 car). MeldaProduction FX and AIR synths are staples around here. I also like A|A|S synths, but even they are not terrible when it comes to resource usage. Especially if you knock down the voice count on those loooooonnnng factory pads.

I've had to do that a lot in the course of my life. My deadpan is too good, I guess. I'm not actually a pedantic know-it-all, I just pretend to be one for comic effect! My story and I'm sticking to it.... I do actually love New Order and wasn't kidding about "Perfect Kiss," though. For the record (no pun).

Jeez, 9, I thought I was the one who overthinks things.😄❤ My thought process went something like this: "Hmm, 9 says that 'Mississippi Queen' rules because you can see the guy smacking out a straight 1/4 note ride on it in the intro. Well 'Perfect Kiss' has the lead singer take a cowbell solo with the camera zoomed into his face and the instrument in question. How can I respond in the silliest way possible?" I was being "snooty" about the relative difficulty of the cowbell part and Jonathan Demme's choice of shots. As in "oh is there now, well take a look at the ahhhtistry on display in this video."