kitekrazy1

14 hours ago, Fleer said:

I’m afraid Craig and I aren’t entirely serious, fret_man

Great job of fooling someone.  Both of you should work for Aria Sounds.

On 11/19/2022 at 10:30 AM, lawajava said:

@Fleer - this is a "by the way" - but I just looked and I have 4 of the at least 10 Reveal Sound preset libraries that are all Plucks.  So you can roost in your chicken house with Spire.

For some suggestions for others (I would suggest firstly that you get Spire when it's on sale, and then wait for a Reveal Sound store sale when everything is substantially discounted to grab some presets).  But who I have a bunch of presets from each for Spire:

Howard Smith, Reveal itself, Bellatrix Audio, Freak, Freshly Squeezed Samples, Patchbay

And then I have a bunch of one-offs, and two-offs - like from the usual providers like Luftrum, Plugin Guru, New Loops, AZS

So many other sites have patches for less.  I got Bellatrix Audio 25 in 1 presets for really cheap from them.  Probably the best thing to do is invest in tutorials.  Iv'e stopped buying Kontakt  pad synths because to me this is where Spire shines.

35 minutes ago, MusicMan said:

That's pretty hilarious if it comes across that way, as it really couldn't be further from the truth and I've been laughing the whole time ?

I could easily buy the synth if I chose too, so there's nothing to get hurt about. I'm only commenting on principle and pointing out to anyone considering it, that there are alternatives with all of those additional benefits I mentioned.

Audio tech and pricing has evolved, so what once was good value, may not be today, so hopefully that helps someone who is looking at buying a synth when weighing up options.

In terms of how people do business, we absolutely can though. Customers choices to an extent can dictate businesses in many ways.

Like Steven said though, it's all been covered and I've got a bunch of new synths and plugins I've bought to  have fun with so all good ?

Oh it did. Multiple replies has the appearance of butthurt.  Usually a meh will do.  I react the same way with 90% of anything I think should be discounted even more.  It's often something I wouldn't end up using anyway.

Black Friday is an American thing and some developers fail to get into the marketing.  Image Line never use to have them and they replied they were in Belguim.  Their BF sale includes free stuff and if you have all of their DAW stuff the sale freebies are not for you.  Some got butthurt and I did for about a minute when I realized the free stuff is usually something offered free at random times.  I decided to not get upset for another free UVI license, WA plugins, and some more loops.

1 hour ago, cclarry said:

If I wasn't holding out for TS 4 I would have jumped on this at $69.99 with my Jampoints,
but I've learned that doing that is just throwing money away...especially with IK

I guess the question is do you have $69 now or the $250 for TS4 when it comes out.   With TS4, ST4 will take even more drive space.

12 hours ago, MusicMan said:

Haha... My ears like the sound of lots of great synths, that have all of the pros that I mentioned and Sylenth only ticks one of them ?

I do think Sylenth sounds nice, but there are quite a few great warm sounding synths, some old, some new. u-he, Cherry Audio, Spire, Largo, but heaps more as well, those ones just came to mind in the 5 seconds I spent thinking about warm sounds and I'm sure I have better examples than them ?

 

 

Ease up turbo, I was still replying to your first message ?

I'm not saying that Steinberg is right in VST3, I'm saying once they announced it, it didn't take too much (/any!) foresight to see that it was going to mean VST2 being deprecated, like where we're at now. There's resisting I get, but to look after the best interests of your customers, not updating by now is pretty lack lustre and those resisting now are in the minority and are losing sales because of it. So that mentality isn't customer friendly and doesn't make business sense. Not much going for it really.

And yet people expect developers to update for every Apple OS release that breaks stuff, so 14 years to not move to the current spec of VST3 isn't much to ask for. The bar is low... real low!

You come off really butthurt over this not much of a deal.  I'm like that a lot with so much stuff.  It's a synth and there's not a logical reason to go in this big tirade over it. Either buy it or don't.   We can't change how people do business. I like it for dance genres and had to buy a second license for a 3rd machine,  

 I don't always evaluate a product by its updates.  I've had updates ever since I've had a license.

I usually win an extra discount at Zero G and Hornet.

6 hours ago, MusicMan said:

If they're barely going to discount, then they should probably be at the forefront of updates and innovation.

In comparison to some of the others mentioned in the thread, Valhalla doesn't discount, but there are very regular updates and he releases new features for free.

Fuse is a small developer and has a sale of 78%+ for his plugins making them all $14.90 right now.

Massive is the same vintage and it's been in bundles for under $49.

I see no real reason to pay Sylenth's asking price even at 25% when there have been a heap of more innovative and feature rich synths made since.

I would say it's a competent synth and I do like the sound though ?

What constitutes enough updates?  Should I look at my archives to find out? 

I doubt Sylenth is really his full-time job.   He only makes one product and it is popular among pro producers. You could make the same argument for Spire and Xfer products.   

7 hours ago, User 905133 said:

"This runs better that Windows 11."  If that's the case, I'll stick with Win 10.

I think they were serious.

W98 was bad but W98SE was much better. That was when I got into DAWs.  I started out on Voyetra Digital Orchestra Pro and moved up to Home Studio. W2000 is my favorite OS. 

6 hours ago, ralfrobert said:

Does anyone happen to have a code to shave off some bucks from the Live update or upgrade?

You have to wait till they offer it 30% off.  It happens once a year.

57 minutes ago, Paul_in_wales said:

not really an upgrade as such, but it is still actively getting updates. - eg this was from just a couple of days ago

Rumor had it he wasn't going Vst3.   Serum came out with Vst3 this month as well.

On 11/21/2022 at 9:32 AM, JT music said:

And they will not stop being so with that closed mentality of not putting annual promotions more often and trying to sell much more ?

I guess people wont be happy until it enters the world of $29 plugins. 

 I like this one.

Odd that this is a separate site and doesn't have the other libraries.

I believe that is the original prices for those libraries.

4 hours ago, abacab said:

Nothing wrong with a hefty PSU. It will run cool and quiet if it's not fully loaded. Better to have some headroom on the spec. I usually build mine with at least a 600 watt PSU now, regardless of whether I will be adding a GPU.

Here is my CPU and GPU power usage at idle with just a DAW and a web browser open:

 

600W is not even close to hefty.  Newer CPUs are also gluttons.  AMD still makes a 65W CPU.

22 minutes ago, Starship Krupa said:

Yes. The software industry, and especially within certain genres of software like DAW's, is a community. It came of age as employees began to be expected to move from company to company to further their careers rather than stay with one employer their entire career. I'm sure that most of the former Cakewalk Inc. now work for other software companies, perhaps audio ones.

Unless one company feels that another is biting their IP, and/or they've sent nastygrams about it, then things tend to be cordial.

As you say, the other DAW makers probably took at as a scary bellwether.

Some of them fail to downsize due to less overhead.  All deliveries are digital these days so no need to print and ship.  Image Line has a small staff and they don't have to really advertise so they don't go to these software get togethers.     

If this were KVR the thread would be closed. 

I had Wusik 10 and the only update was Wusik 11.

They only hope for him is for someone to risk buying him out and start anew.

On 11/22/2022 at 12:24 AM, Starship Krupa said:

I don't have the exact date, it seems that it took a few days for the press release to propagate. Wikipedia points to an article dated November 21, 2017, so I'll go with that.

It's the anniversary of that upsetting announcement saying that there would be no Cakewalk Inc. no more, after 30 years in business.

I don't have much to say except that while I was not a SONAR user at the time I was shocked, and sad on behalf of the faithful SONAR users. I had been using Mixcraft for a few years and I would have been BUMMED if Acoustica had suddenly announced that they were ending it all.

Things eventually worked out about as well as they possibly could have, but it was 3 months until the Bandlab announcement, I would imagine those were very, very long months for some people.  I know that when the Bandlab announcement came, some SONAR faithful felt like the day laborers who started early in The Parable of the Workers in the Vineyard.

I'm glad that some people managed to hang on, and I'm glad that some of the good folk who no longer primarily use Cakewalk (or no longer use it at all) have stuck around on the forum.

I bought Mixcraft, Tracktion, and the Magix DAW.  I still keep Mixcrapt installed.  I was using FL Studio and Live most of the time.

Developers didn't rejoice because a competitor was gone. They thought who is next.

I still have leftovers from Sonar in Bandlab. 

6 hours ago, husker said:

I was pissed.  I had litterally bought the "Sonar For Life" just a month or two prior to the demise....

I had the same thing happen when I upgraded to Gigastudio 4.

 If you are in the US, retail stores have record players.

https://www.bestbuy.com/site/cd-players-turntables/turntables/abcat0202007.c?id=abcat0202007

Don't get a turntable since the prices of receivers are not what they use to be.

1 hour ago, antler said:

Not just that though - there seems to be a new generation of plugins that are GPU powered. Not sure it's the best of ideas as fast GPUs are noisy, which is bad in DAW environments...

Also needs a heftier PSU. 

If I were to do a budget AMD build I'd go for integrated graphics.  

The issue I had with K7 player is a system still using a Geforce 9800GT. I'm sure its over 10 years old.  I've got my money's worth out of it. 

Making GPUs obsolete should be left for game developers.  Too many DAW developers are into the eye candy movement.

If you are into hoarding strings get BUNKER STRINGS COMPLETE $55.20

https://www.pluginboutique.com/articles/1886-Claim-your-FREE-copy-of-deCoda-LE-or-MReverbMB

Don't  post if you can't provide a link. Leave it to Larry.

Kontakt 7 player opens black window

https://community.native-instruments.com/discussion/6755/kontakt-7-player-opens-black-window/p1

I had this happen and this fix worked. 

I imagine other people who don't use a system for gaming don't upgrade their GPU. It's the most overpriced hunk of hardware to put in a system.