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Cheers Byron. I knew they all had bugs, I was just hoping that a somewhat simpler DAW(well designed of course) might have LESS bugs. Btw, I like Cakewalk's workflow & features but to Noel's point about why not just buy it if u use it alot, After my current project, I don't know if I wanna keep using it a lot. To be honest, I'm kinda down on DAW recording in general right now. Its turned out to be way more problem packed then I ever expected. The constant problem solving is frying my brain. After this project, I def need a long break from it. ?

Fair enough. Then out of respect, I will try to sandbag my rage. ?

I get that for the most part. I guess I am guilty of venting & thinking out loud but I def didn't mean it as a threat. In my defense, I was telling the truth. I 've watched my brother use Studio One with very little headache and he gets great tracks. My friend had Mixcraft for years and he rarely fought with it. I've been having the opposite experience. So yeah, if belly aching's a crime... Lock me up ?

My biggest issue with Cakewalk has been all the bugs and problems with third party vst's working right. I do understand that developers need to make money but I'm not willing to pay very much for the new Sonar. I'd go maybe $79 but more than that, I'd rather just buy a new DAW. Even if it has less features, as long it's more stable with less problems. With Cakewalk, I'm constantly having to chase down problems and find workarounds. It 's been exhausting.

Thanks Noel. Btw, will the TTS-1 still be part of the new Sonar?

Hi Byron. I'm still pretty green can u please explain what beta entails? Mainly, I just need to know if I can stick with my current version 28.11.0.21 for the next 6 months. Is that correct?

Forgive me Will, I just wanna make sure I follow u completely. The version I have is 28.11.0.21.exe. Are u saying I'm good with this version for the next 6 months?

Hey John, I actually had a problem with the recent update and I had to reinstall the previous version. Do u think this previous version will remain active for a while or will I have to update? Thanks

Thanks mettelus. Well I'm not home to access my computer at moment so I can't answer the error msg question but u may have something with the registry cleaner thing. Thinking back, it may have been something like that. Can a Malwarebytes cleaner clear the registry like that?

Thanks a lot, that's great to know. Btw, for what it's worth guys, I do know there are more realistic piano vst's out there. For instance, I loved the sound of the Monastery Grand by Melda but it was actually TOO realistic for my current project. U know, where some keys are slightly deader than others. I find that works great for heartfelt chords but for certain melodies, u need a more consistent response.

Cheers John. Well, fortunately I did start the project with the TTS-1 piano but I still experience occasional crashes. I also have problems with most third party vst's. They usually click & pop to the point of being unusable. I don't know if the TTS-1 is contributing to this problem, I'm only guessing that it is. Maybe u could tell me, could the TTS-1 be having trouble playing nice with third party vst's? Btw, I've also gotten this message(screenshot below) a few times.

Thanks and yeah, I'll def be doing that soon. I've been procrastinating on bouncing it down because, of course, it's nice to have full midi control. However, it's time for me to make some committed decisions. For my next project however, I do wanna try out the Sound Canvas.

Thanks Dave. I may go that route.

Thanks Dave. Although I'm not quite ready for that just yet, I def want u guys to hear it before I post it anywhere else. Not only am I looking forward to some experienced feedback but without all of ur help here on the Cakewalk forum, I'd have beat my computer with a baseeball bat a long time ago, Office Space style. Seriously, I'm SUPER thankful to u guys. Btw, I wrote this song for my daughter about her best friend who died in a car wreck a year ago. So it's more than a song, it's a very special gift that I know will bring some comfort and healing to my daughter & that family. So yeah, I can't say it enough.. . Thanks so much for the help guys!!! ?

Forgive my ignorance guys, Is there a specific branch of Roland I should email to inquire about this?

Hi guys. I love the TTS-1 piano 1 sound but I've come to learn just how problematic the TTS-1 program is. I've downloaded a bunch of free piano vst's to try to replace it but they either sound too grand or too cheap. I know this is a long shot but is it possible to download just that piano sample from somewhere? If I had that piano sample, I could stop using the TTS-1 completely. Any other suggestions are welcome. Thanks!

Thanks for the feedback guys. Before I go on, let me just say that I've been playing music seriously for over 40 yrs. I consider myself to have good timing and have recorded many songs in the past. However, since I've started recording again, I think I may be experiencing some degree of what I've learned is called "temporal illusion"(esp when I listen too long without a break). This is my first recording via DAW and the ability to nudge a note ever so slightly has created a sense of timing option anxiety and has me questioning my own sense of where the groove is. Esp since this song has a few tempo changes. (Fwiw, I did use a click where possible) I heard Tom Scholz of Boston talk about working on some songs so long that he lost all perspective. He said he didn't even know what he was listening to anymore. He said only after a couple months break from hearing the track would he gain some true objectivity again. I think it may be time for me to let a couple friends hear this song and get their feedback. I will say, this has been a humbling experience. It's amazing how one slight nudge(tick) of a snare hit will change the way the groove is perceived from that point on. It starts feeling like my perception of where the groove is riding is unreliable and changes on me. So yeah guys, PLEASE tell me if u ever experience this phenomenon. I'd love to know that I'm not a freak. And if u have experienced this, what tips would u give to help me climb out of this OCD rabbit hole? I can't seem to stop fighting with the groove. Thanks a lot!

Hi guys. When I'm seated in front of my monitors, my song's timing & groove sounds great but I notice when I listen from a diff room, the groove sounds off & kinda rushed. Does anyone else experience this? Would it have something to do with diff frequencies reaching the ear at diff times(after bouncing thru the house)? I know it's an unusual question. I couldn't really find anything online about this. My mind wants to believe that I'm getting a better, more objective perspective when listening from a diff room but, with what little I know about freqs, I'm thinking I shouldn't trust my ears when listening that way. I think back to listening to bands play from outside the club. I seem to rem the groove sometimes sounding weird. So, is it just me guys or is this part of the wonderful world of random phase shifting? Please shed some light &/or personal experiences. This one's had me scratching my head for a long time. I'd love to put it to rest. Cheers!

Cool John. Btw, I was watching one of ur videos yest that showed how to view audio track controls in Piano Roll View. It's already improved my work flow. Thanks a lot man!

Pressing "I" worked in Track View but not in PRV. However, I just found my problem. In the little box near the upper right of screen, I somehow switched it from "Advanced" to "None". Now I know to leave it in Advanced. But thanks for the advice my friend. Cheers!

Cheers guys. How do I get the inspector back on the left when in Piano Roll View. I see nowhere to redock it. Also, the Transport covers the time ruler. I have to close the Transport if I wanna view it. It's like the PRV is zoomed in too much or something. Thanks!

Thanks John. I didn't know about mix recall. Glad to know it exist. Btw, I like what u said about creating my own workflow that suits my needs. That's why I'm trying to embrace offset mode. Automating as I go is important to me. If I can't do that, It's quite possible that I'll develop a drinking problem, buy a cat & become a recluse(? ?). I can't take that risk! Seriously, I'm hoping that the extra control offset mode provides will be worth it in the end. Anyway, Sincere Thanks to all of u here on the forum. Without ur help, I would've taken a baseball bat to my computer a long time ago... Office Space style ?

Thanks Johnny V and all u guys for ur advice. And yeah, it looks like Kalle wins the cigar. I got bit by the offset mode. I'd say that's a "routing error". Offset mode is a great tool but once in use, u have to always remain aware of it. Im still trying to get my head around how all the controls interact between the two boards but it seems that both boards are always in series. Toggling between envelope & offset only hides the other mixing board. It'd be great if they designed the offset mode board to have a slightly diff look, color, or border when in use so u know ur not in Kansas anymore. That's what got me, everything looks exactly the same accept for the little light by the transport. I had no clue I was looking at a whole diff mixing board from the one I started my project with. Anyway, Thanks again for all the help guys. Cheers ?

I esp notice it on my elec guitar using a high gain TH3 amp sim. The track is not yet rendered so it's a live vst. When I lower the track's gain knob the guitar sounds cleaner & weaker. When I turn it up, it acts like a front end boost giving me more amp distortion & sustain. But this makes sense right? Isn't EVERY effect in the chain affected by the strength of the signal reaching it?

Thanks a lot John. Btw, do u rem this post from a few months ago? I finally found my problem.... Offset Mode! I must've accidentally toggled it on the project many months ago and had that master turned low. Like JnJuneTech, I didn't even know what offset mode was. Now that I've turned it back on and turned up that master, all my volume is back. It's loud as heck. Praise God! ? Man I had no idea there was an invisible master gain stage between the normal master & output. Oh well, at least now I know one of the "boo-boos" to watch out for. Ouch!!! ?