John Vere

Hold on to your money the sales are always Black Friday in November. You don’t need it for single track Audio to midi or tempo extraction. I tested this. I just fired up my Laptop which doesn’t have my Celemony account activation. So Sonar is using something called Melodyne Player which is the free demo that never expires. This should be the same for everyone. I loaded 4 audio stems I created in Next from a random commercial song. Bass, Drums, Other and vocals. I converted the bass track to mono and dragged it to AmpleP bass and it converted the audio to midi as expected. I then dragged the drum track to the timeline and that also worked perfectly. The only difference is I don’t get a dialogue asking for what algorithm to use. So tempo extraction works even with out a license for Melodyne.

Option # 1-Use a Sample player. You play samples of a steel guitar. That is the basic concept of Audio to Midi. But the sustained nature of the steel guitar would be very tricky without a lot of pitch bending etc. Option # 2- Cut and Paste, If you have a steel guitar audio track then you chop it up and move parts around. Basically Clip construction. Option #3 Band in a Box- I did a pretty good job of this by first entering the chords of the song into Band in a Box. It has "Real tracks" which are audio samples not midi. So the steel guitar sounds pretty good. I set the tempo and then choose a style that was close. This gave me enough to work with. I exported the audio and dragged it to my Sonar project. I then used Melodyne Studio which can edit chords and I manipulated the track so it fit the song a bit better. Band in a Box is AI but it's a bit drunk most of the time. As a result I don't let BiaB play in my band but it's a handy tool for all sorts of creative stuff like this. Well worth the $100.

I’ve rarely ever had that issue. I think it depends on material. It most certainly won’t work with sustained music. I always use the drum track. I Can now improve on that thanks to Next stem separation tool. Split the drums out of any song. In the past I sometimes had to nudge a few tempo nodes but now I seem to get very good results. I’m not trying to have dead on midi anyway. Mostly it really helps work on any song to have the beats and measures at least 1/32 or 1/64 note close enough just for visual editing. So if the OP has a drum stem to work with it is worth a shot. And yes I think you only need the very basic version of Melodyne which goes on sale for under $50.

You need to remove the Real Tech ASIO driver from your system it’s taken over. instructions are in this video

Holy cow That’s a huge mess. You have somehow installed a whole lot of potential trouble! For troubleshooting purposes delete all but the Audio Box driver. I don’t see that any of those are going to be important and especially to using Cakewalk. And yes just click and delete each folder. Some people like to backup the registry first but I never do. Those all look like garbage that gets installed with certain audio apps. You only need you audio interface for sound. Windows will use its own driver which is not ASIO so it’s not on that list. The only other one that looks like it might have been legit it the Presonus Studio 192 but do you own that? There’s hundreds of you tubes and documentation on the internet about optimization for audio so I won’t repeat what is easily found.

The oddest thing I’ve had was in the sync and caching my old Tascam interface was showing there instead of the Zoom. I had no problem in the past with having 2 or 3 ASIO drivers for my different interfaces co-existing together. I was flipping between te Motu and the Zoom just about daily for a while. Never had issues. I don’t use the Tascam anymore so I removed it. But that box is very important to stability of your audio engine. It has to match what you are using. And Cakewalk staff highly recommended you remove the Real Tech ASIO driver from your system.

You are not in proper ASIO mode. Either that or the Real Tech driver is interfering. You need to remove it in the Reg Edit app. I can tell this because you should not see the Real Tech as an option in the sync and caching. I also don't see the "use ASIO reported Latency" And another thing is you sometimes can have audio issues if you use way to high a buffer setting like you are. The first step is to get a good report from Latency Monitor. Get that puppy in the green before you continue. Watch this video and report back. https://youtu.be/y5bQhQuZEPQ

My favourite reference track is one of my own masters. It took 10 years to get that sucker to sound exactly the way I want my songs to sound. I don’t really want to sound like someone else so there you go. When I did try references tracks from my CD collection I found many of mine are older masters and so were made from the masters used for LP replication. There were like 16 LUFS. Mp3 is out of the question if you are serious. But they can serve a purpose of training your ears to learn about your headphones and monitors. My interfaces all have Loopback so it’s pretty simple to record songs off YouTube. I pay an annual fee which is a pathetic donation to the music community but that’s not anything I can fix.

I was thinking that too. But it’s always the same size. It’s just like everything else in Sonar compared to Cakewalk. The new graphics make a lot of stuff almost invisible for many of us. I think it’s more related to screen resolution and unless you purchase a brand new hi res 40” wide screen monitor your hooped. I was trying to work in Sonar’s PVR on a bass track and I realized that I couldn’t see the note names? I made the blobs a little bigger and still couldn’t see. I have always used the same Blue that is first on the left of the colour palette. I had to change the colour to a light blue. So I opened the project in Cakewalk and I could easily see the note names. So this is the big mystery! Why are we all of a sudden working in the dark? I then discovered that my blue looked ok in Track view but was way darker and sort of purple in Sonars PVR. I then discovered none of the old colours looked right anymore. Those colours go back 30 year I do believe.

Good question and I'd be curious myself. Generally we are told you always install from the oldest to the newest version. I found out this seems solid advice. A month ago I installed Sonar Home Studio out of curiosity wanting to compare it to Next. I had Sonar installed. Everything seemed ok but then I started having Sonar crash for no reason. I submitted the Dump files and staff advised me to do a fresh install of Sonar. I lost all my personal settings in preferences. All my Key bindings etc. And the weirdest thing is Sonar now was using the Black Splat icon on the desktop. I couldn't get it to change. So this is sort of the reason we follow that advice and start with run CCC first and then install Sonar. ( Cakewalk )

Hey that's way to much so I see what you are saying. Just thinking out loud here.. My son has a Behringer X16 Air. It can mix using the wi fi network. I'm pretty sure that it might also send midi and control Sonars Mixer? no sure. But what this made me think is there might be a control surface that uses WiFi ?

The UMC 22 and UMC 2 are the only 2 audio interfaces I found after researching over 60 2x2 audio interfaces that do not have ASIO divers. They use Asio4all which is not ASIO but WDM mode ( windows) wrapped so it can fool software into thinking it’s ASIO. It was a work around in the old days before W10 and WASAPI driver modes. Of all the 60 interfaces available you have one that no matter what you try will have issues with Cakewalk. Theres been dozens of other threads on here and same complaints. Sell it to someone with a Mac which is what it was designed for.

How much does RVNC want? Seems this is a situation where you just start paying for something that was free. Hey, wait a minute, that sounds awfully familiar?

I forgot I had included how I used mix Recall in a this Tutorial.

You see, nobody understand what they are, even long time users. Mix scenes and Workspace are entirely different things. Mix scenes don't care which workspace you are using. You can change workspaces at any time and it has no bearing on a Mix scene. The concept of the Mix scene was generally developed so you could save a project at a point when you were satisfied with the mixing stage. You save the mix scene and export the project. But then you start thinking the project might sound better with a different approach to the effects and EQ etc. I even found I could replace different synths. You make the changes and now save that as a new and different mix. They assumed you were now at the mixing stage of a project and you where not going to be adding any new parts. I'm not sure what you can get away with. I know automation and Tempo are part of it. I haven't read the documentation in 10 years so don't quote me. I only know what always has works for me. It was discovered that Mix Scenes could also be applied to different but identical projects even if the Audio and Midi data was different. I have used this on dozens of live recordings where it's a whole night and 30 songs without an issue. Those projects were of course all using the same template and the only thing different was the Audio and Midi data. I've never had a crash. I have defiantly recalled mix scenes on a few projects without issues. I'll have to try messing with one someday and see if I can say, record a new track and recall an old scene.

Read my 1st post. To the projects track pane, just like dragging audio and midi clips.

Yes this is what Mix Recall is for. But! you cannot apply mix recall to a totally different layout the projects have to be exactly the same track and bus layout. And named the same too ( I think?) If the tracks are all the same it works brilliantly. For me it's best application is with multitrack live recordings. Then each project is exactly the same. You get song #1 sounding the way you want it and you save it as Mix scene 1. no point naming it as this won't show in the folder. Now open song #2 and using the browser go to song #1 project folder and find the mix scene folder. drag Song #1 Mix(1).CWM from there and drop it on the track pane of song #2. All the changes including effects and even instruments you added will populate song #2. It's amazing and I don't think any other Daw can do this trick. I have a feeling not many people even realize that it is there. I use it on all my original songs and in that case I always save a mix scene and in this case I do rename it with the date after I export a mix. This accomplishes 2 things. I can revert to a earlier mix and it also shows me I have opened the most up to date version of the project and not some back up copy.

New computer then this means you need to optimize it for audio. Start with this https://www.resplendence.com/latencymon Dell's can need extra work to remove stuff they build into the Bios. I have personal experience with that one. I would never buy a Dell for audio again after that mess. Presonus interfaces often install a invasive ASIO driver that is different from the real ASIO driver. Check that you are for sure using the proper ASIO driver. Look in the box I show below and make sure this matches the same wording as in the Drivers settings tab Playback and recording timing master. They are also near the bottom of the bench test lists for pre amp noise and quality. A different interface would be on my checklists. Interfaces do make a difference. Example Motu M4 @ 256 buffer- Crackles and Pops. Same computer, same project Zoom L8 and Focusrite Scarlett 6i6 @ 256 no crackles or pops. I sold the Motu.

Didn’t Scook make a tool that does this. Ya I found it https://docs.google.com/document/d/1eiVH_I1clbbRtWFh4-3Mo7HANjCxR8SwqHJtYXy19gw/pub

Just so you know. There won't be any changes made to Cakewalk so not much point in making feature requests. Any feature requests will be for Sonar. Your issue is possibly with your screen resolution. Your cursor looks a little narrower than mine. As well as you are using a dark theme so it makes it hard to work. One reason I'm not to upset about letting Sonar expire and returning to Cakewalk. I totally can't work in dark themes. I'm hoping they will have a theme editor before they finally release it for sale. Here I have to use Mercury in Sonar and it's ugly. Here's Cakewalk using a custom theme made by Scook ( ya we do miss him)

Of all the cloud storage services I despise iCloud the most. It has a mind of its own and I never get what I want. One Drive has turned out to work the best for me. I still only use the Free version. I don’t store audio files there just midi. I also have used the free version of Drop Box for a long long time with out issues. I store all my backing track projects there. But iCloud is synced to my phone so all my pictures and files from my phone are there. I had to up the storage a few years ago when I ran out of room and for the life of me could not figure out how to clean it up and delete stuff. It kept reappearing! I gave up and now I pay $2 a month and I have lots of room. But I hate the way it seems to take control. Typical Apple stuff I guess. I like the way I can type a document on my phone, or any of my computers and One Drive stores it and it always there on all my devices. If I open iCloud on my computer only some of my pictures are there. I gave up. I have to connect my phone with USB cable and upload them. And lots of be times that doesn’t work properly. It cuts out after so many pictures or movies.

The track header will guarantee that that track plays the correct bank and patch with the TTS-1. Setting patches in the GUI can easily be over ruled by all sorts of other scenarios.

I used to have a Yamaha mixer and actually the driver was never a problem. After all guess who was the developer of ASIO. Steinberg. On both the Yamaha mixers I used the USB stereo outputs and the meter of the mains always matched Cakewalks track meter. I used it to record a board mix of our gigs no problem. So make sure you download the latest driver from Yamaha. Important! You need to know that level settings in Cakewalk have absolutely nothing to do with the tracks input level. That is always set at your audio interface. Otherwise you run the danger of overdriving you interfaces A/D converters. That would sound ugly. Possibly Yamaha set a low output on purpose to avoid that if there’s no physical output level control, which looks like it is possible. Yamaha generally know what they are doing and actually wrote the book on digital audio. Ya it sucks but it is a mixer not really designed to be used as a proper audio interface. The USB option is so you can playback backing tracks or a DJ rig directly from your laptop. The output is really just a convenient way to record a board mix in stereo at gigs. Yamaha writes very good manuals. Start reading. Not sure why you are using the mixer as an audio interface if you own the Focusrite. Both are probably equal to the task but the Scarlett will definitely give you more control over the input levels. The only advantage of the little mixer is you can keep more things connected. I ended up getting a Zoom L8 because it's a both a great mixer and audio interface. I tried at least 5 different small USB mixers and the L8 is defiantly been the best deal ever. All the small mixers I owned in the past were only 2 Channel USB but the L8 has 12. And it's a stand alone digital 8 track. No more stereo board mixes. I can record all 8 channels.

The Behringer UMC22 is the only interface on earth that doesn't have an ASIO driver. All there other interfaces do. And I see you are not even using the Asio4all that they recommend, but is not recommended by Cakewalk. You are using the Windows codex. Do yourself a favour and buy a proper interface that comes with ASIO