John Vere

I most certainly have read all of this thread. And to re cap. You claim Melodyne doesn’t erase deleted clips. It most certainly won’t until you render the regional effect back to normal. Your only objection to this is your belief that rendering will degrade your audio quality. This apparently is not the case as clearly explained by @David Baay Did you not learn anything from that ? I most certainly did. So you are alone with an issue you created for your self by trying to do something that was never part of the way things were designed. The simple solution is to get over your paranoia about rendering. For your own satisfaction run some experiments and try null testing as David has done. That would be time we’ll spent and you could get back to work. signing off , JV

The thing I find odd is people ask these questions and all they needed to do is Google it and get an instant response. Here’s what I got by asking “Is Cakewalk Obsolete?”

Sorry it’s just not broken for anyone else. Only you. I follow the instructions and watched the videos. They are using other DAWs and seems like the routine is to render and move on. It’s all about completing a task and moving on. A tidy project is a happy project.

I actually couldn’t find anything I liked so I recorded my own samples and play them with SD2. I used 3 different hits at increasing velocity thinking I could figure it out how to implement that but I just ended up using 3 of the pads.

If you go back to the original first announcements from the owner he never promised free forever. He actually implies this day would come when they were ready. Free forever? That’s just people making stuff up over time. http://forum.cakewalk.com/m/tm.aspx?m=3743935&fp=1

Reboot your computer. A couple of times if you have to. Read my post from yesterday at 11 AM.

I didn’t have anything to advise because there’s not much info about what, when, where etc. Pretty hard to troubleshoot issues with no details.

Use the Project/ Audio Data to see the complete list of audio in any projects. But the first thing I would do is exactly what @Bristol_Jonesey said and do a save as to a new location. Alway check the Copy Audio box. Back in 2013 it was more common to have audio go into the messy global audio folder. Save as / Copy Audio will make sure it’s now in the project folder. Open the project folder in the Browser and see if you can correlate the files with your tracks. The Track Manager and the Audio Data list are also good tools for sorting out messy projects.

It would be a nice gesture but what I think ( pure speculation) will happen. They will have different versions of Sonar that are priced accordingly with add ons available for more money. Former Sonar customers won’t need the add ons so will only need to purchase the basic version. At least I’m hoping for this or something similar.

You need to set up your computer for audio. Obviously it’s not optimized at all. Watch this for details Playlist of all my videos https://youtube.com/playlist?list=PL7YqVth30eGsURWrKGeu-fFyg3ETjF-Ox&si=nlEfhtK42q_6FKcy

I’m glad you updated as I remember this thread but I missed that last post by @David Baay Back in September you had me worried about Melodyne and since then I have avoided it but now I see after reading David’s post that your theory about Melodyne and bit depth are invalid. This is good news for me as I need to record some vocals. Please only take this as positive feedback. I truly think you need to rethink your workflow and do like all of us do and render the clips when done. For what it’s worth this is my current workflow. I record 3 different tracks none stop. I build track one into as good as it can be . Using parts of 2&3 if needed. Then I edit for timing , level and a little bit of pitch. To do this I chop my vocal track into sentences of the lyrics. I have assigned keys Z = Open Melodyne X= Render and close editor. I can work real fast this way. Like you I sometimes find Melodyne trashes a certain phrase. I use that second vocal track to record again. Not a lane, lanes suck. I’ll re sing the whole line. I’ll re try Melodyne on the new clip and if it works then I render it and delete the main vocal track clip and drag the new one into its place. Im glad I can carry on with this workflow with out worrying about degradation of the audio. I for sure will hear garbage that Melodyne can produce and the only solution is to redo that part until Melodyne doesn’t barf on it. Or use other methods.

I am always prompted for which algorithm I want and it is better not to use automatic in my experience. 90% of the time it works perfectly as expected. I find with guitar chords it’s better to feed it short clips. It barfs on whole 3 minute tracks. Most always works for bass. But editing the results is always required. Today I tried a simple snare track. Real snare, peaks at around-6db. It created a midi track with a zillion notes all wild velocities. Huge mess. Tried 3 times. That was the percussion setting. Then I tried drum replacer and it was just fine.

Project files are independent of software.

Bottom line: the Console is a view. It contains 3 main parts that can be moved horizontally, channels, busses and hardware strips. Those parts cannot be undocked and floated. There can only be one console view open in a project. All the views can be floated and tossed on as many monitors as your video card can support. Most views have this option. Example the Synth rack. You have a valid feature request which would be to add undocking options to the 3 parts. But honestly I think you’re the first person to ask for this and of course it will be a feature request for Sonar.

I keep W7 up to date for what it’s worth. I rarely enable the internet but when I do there always seems to be an update. I think the updates are just for software related things like MS Office. You don’t use the Bandlab Assistant anymore. You update from the help menu. And yes there’s a warning. The authorization process has been troublesome for many people and I found you need to be patient. The server seems slow to respond sometimes.

I have 2 laptops that are stuck in W7 due to age. I hate tossing out stuff that still works. And like others there’s also software, a CD printer and one audio interface stuck back there as well. I only use the one old Sony for music playback at gigs but I also put Cakewalk on it in an attempt to try using the playlist feature. I just updated to the latest and final version no problem. So Cakewalk still works on W7. Your best bet is to do the same so you’ll get more time. All older versions will time out real fast but the last version we are told will carry on until they decide we’ve had enough time to transition to Sonar.

Note to self :Optimizing Computer for audio tip number 102. Keep your desktop tidy. 103. Keep all large zip files on an external drive.

I’m big on deleting stuff. I always can do better! No muss no fuss. That’s why I don’t use take lanes or comping. Delete! Redo.

I made a video about this a year ago. You don't have to delete the audio, just convert it. And the audio needs to be one continuous track from start to finish. So we make stems. The Steps First Highlight the audio tracks you want to keep. Then you export all the audio tracks using " Tracks no effects or automation." choose 48/32 no dither If they are mono choose Mono. It they are both you have to do this once for each type. Use entire project for range and export. ( see screenshot for info) Now you can delete the audio, there has to be absolutely no audio in the project for this to work. Open "Project -Audio files" to check for hidden tracks. Change the project from 44.1 to 48 in preferences and using your audio interfaces control panel. Make sure this shows now in the transport module. Don't forget to click APPLY. Now just drag the exported audio back to it's original location. Done. You now have the choice of redoing them or keeping. Doubt if redoing will be worth it. I have done this to about 50 of my old 44.1 projects now, Takes a few minutes at most.

I caught that right away as I was reading. To elaborate on what Pro midi has said. All your hardware devices need to be selected in Preferences/Midi/ Devices/ Output From there I’m not sure as I sort of think that plug ins that send midi output do this only internally by default. Example Ample P bass will show as an available input to another midi track when output is enabled. So this is just internal to Cakewalk. I’m pretty sure it goes no where else. So it would seem you have to do as @Promidi has described to loop it back out.

I use T which opens the tool menu right where the mouse pointer is. This is pretty fast if you are good at both mouse and shortcuts

Few years ago during Covid a friend of mine who uses Pro Tools and Mac stuff asked me to record a bass track and put a copy of the project in Google drive. I had found this free version of Pro Tools First. It was pretty easy to do. I just was missing all his weird plug ins. Then I realized that I actually had a lot of them but was in the habit of unchecking the AXX box. I don’t understand the negative attitude towards Pro Tools often found here as I find it very user friendly and it’s pretty high on my list of a suitable DAW for my workflow. I also have Cubase and Mixbus which haven’t seen the light of day since the last big panic in 2016

This might explain why if you start from the beginning. https://youtu.be/MiDmgQaAN60?si=v8rOqQG0k_bJG1RS This might explain why you have no master bus and demo how to create one https://youtu.be/TEJ3IfBymXc?si=2wvEfyLcwxpDhIXR

I probably read it when it was published. I used to subscribe to SOS. There’s not much of a point. Just one personal opinion about pros and cons of using higher bit rate audio which is a topic that has been obviously been on going since the 90’s. So we can each make our own choice and for me that is based on my own personal experience over the last 30 years of digital audio being part of my recording process. I absolutely believe that 48/24 is the perfect choice for me. And when it becomes the standard I’ll bump it up to 48/32

Best way to manage views is to save a Workspace that is the way you want things to look. So you could create a workspace that only shows the channel strips and another that just shows the buses. For me I just drag it to the right so I only see the edge of the Master bus, Then I drag it back when I need only the buses. Pretty simple that way.