John Vere

Might it be because I have only the MIDI OUT from my audio interface running to the GR-33's MIDI IN, and I have the other cable unplugged? I tried plugging it back in, but it didn't help. I found I had to keep the OUT from the audio interface to the IN to the GR-33 unplugged, or else I got a bunch of hash in the track where the recorded signal is supposed to appear, and no recorded information was left. Just a bunch of alphanumeric hash. I don't remember having to do this -- unplug the cable that is -- years ago when I was using Cakewalk's Pro Audio and the GR-33. I'm a little confused, if you only have the MIDI out of the interface to the midi in of the GR 33 hooked up, how could you record midi? You need the Midi out of the GR 33 patched through to your computer to record midi. Any how one way or the other you need both in and out connected to record and playback using midi. You may need to disable MIDI through put to stop the system from looping back. there are 2 ways I know of 1- I keep my midi output unchecked in preferences and only turn it back on if I'm using a hardware synth or my drum machine for something weird. 2 - Most every VST has a "enable midi output" in its options or preferences menu. Disable the output to stop the loopback. So to record midi you need the midi out of the GR 33 to your midi in of the interface. You then arm a midi track and record. I found the midi recording does not play back exactly what I was hearing when I originally recorded the part anyways. There's always a small difference. I think that's because the GR systems play the synth directly , there is no midi involved in that part of the system. That is how they got around the midi latency. I basically gave up on trying to use the GR 50 as a midi input device. It worked best for me to just record the audio output and live with the built in LA synth sounds. The midi data was just to garbled to try and edit into a usable part. I just had to get better at playing a keyboard which in the end was not that hard for what I wanted. And the main reason I wanted the midi was to play bass parts, now this is easy with a real bass and drag and drop the audio track to a midi track and it is converted automatically. I've not tried it with a guitar lead but I guess it would work.

I just looked and this is probably why your having issues Echo web site under drivers-- DUE TO OUR PRO AUDIO PRODUCTS BEING DISCONTINUED, WE DO NOT CURRENTLY SUPPORT WINDOWS 10, AND HAVE NO PLANS TO UPDATE OUR DRIVERS. IF YOU ARE USING WINDOWS 10, USE THE LATEST DRIVER VERSION LISTED FOR YOUR HARDWARE, BUT RESULTS MAY VARY.

Someone mentioned this above and it's important to run windows updates a few times as well as update all your drivers for hardware. It even might be that W10 is still running updates while your trying to work. Is there W10 drivers for your audio interface?

Whats odd is that drop down on your screenshot says "workspace" mine doesn't have that as an option,, It say's All, Custom Mix etc. But I think we all get caught by that one at some point. It's usually the template that does it.

Always update your OS before installing the software. I also recommend after you update the OS run windows updates a few times to PU stray updates that don't stick the first few times. Then update all the drivers for any hardware especially your audio interface directly from manufactures web sites. If you have a special video card do this as well, Windows generic drivers suck. I update my VST's like Addictive drums and I make sure everything is activated and updated. Then I install basic versions of Sonar 8.5 , X3 and the last release of SPLAT. That seems to cover all my stuff that came in the past. They take up very little room. Last thing is Bandlab Assistant and Cakewalk. As far as old audio interfaces go,, all of mine are getting old, some are 12 years old, and all work real good under W10.

Yes it's very helpful with these questions to give some info on your set up otherwise we can only assume. But here is some basics that might help MIDI does not transmit audio. So a 5 pin midi cable is for midi only. Modern keyboards might have both midi DIN and USB connectivity for MIDI connectivity. USB can transmit midi or audio but I'm unaware that both could ever happen together. Possibly this is your issue. You normally use the DIN jacks for midi and the keyboards audio outputs for audio. The audio outputs could be either 1//4" RCA or the headphone jack. Then the USB jack, if it has one, could be set to transmit audio or midi.

That's good to know. I just looked in my back up of the old downloads folder- Its only 17.5 GB and I might have a few things missing, mostly what ever they are I don't use them. My engineerFX is 1.0.5.41 and I don't see the old one you mentioned so I should make sure to back that up too.

I guess your "interface" is just a MIDI only device. But why are you using that? Most Keyboards have MIDI output via a USB jack these days. If this is your keyboard shown above then you simply use the USB port directly to your PC. You would not need to use the DIN jacks. But as said, midi does not transmits audio. It only transmits DATA. To record the audio of the keyboard you will need to purchase an Audio interface with the correct inputs. Be careful choosing one that has 2 inputs that are matched. Many split the 2 inputs into Mike and Guitar. I have this covered in my tutorials found in my signature.

I found part IV and V. I guess I did the screen captures and never got around to editing and publishing. Here's number IV

What I see is you had all the versions of each application. You really only need to keep the latest. And if you don't use loops no point keeping those either, they take up a lot of room.

When I see this-- USB audio and MIDI class-compliant - eliminates need for drivers- I run for cover. Probably works fine with Apple but Cakewalk has a long history of only running smoothly using a ASIO driver.

As I was typing Steve beat me to it.

Or just walk out of the room and go for a beer.

Ok got part III copied over.

Thanks Steve I tried that but as said the pages open without pictures but thanks to Larry I moved it over to a free hosting service with Google Pages. I only got Part one done so Far. https://sites.google.com/view/cactus-studios/home

As said your track looks to be recorded at a pretty good level. There are 100's of ways to increase the level once recorded. My standard method is to use the input gain of a compressor/limiter to bring it up. Even the simple compressors in Channel tools will do the trick.

Larry J sent me a PM asking about this. What happened is I used to have a web page and I discontinued it last Summer not wanting to pay the Web Hosting fee which had started at $6 and was now $16 per month. I found the Front Page files and they seem to open on my computer as a web page see if they work for others I made youtube videos as well but only made it half way. EDIT April 11 2020 I managed to copy over the Web page to a new Google Pages site That's to Larry for pointing out a free hosting service that was right under my nose. https://sites.google.com/view/cactus-studios/home

Actually Cakewalk doesn't load anything but the work space when you start. Almost all software works this way. That is not a blank project. You then have to open a project or template. You can make your own templates and select it from the start screen or the start menu. The start screen has 3 tabs to help you navigate. I mostly use the recent projects tab. If I want to start a new project I open the ( duh) New Project tab and pick an appropriate template. The other way is to simply open from the project ( or template) folder by double clicking.

My goodness a highjacked thread... back to the OP Echo - W7 drivers no W10 support---I thought so much-- you really just need to upgrade your interface. Once they stop making drivers for your OS your hooped. It's not that complicated.

It might help other advise you if you listed What your audio interface was. Saying it’s older doesn’t help much. Did it have drivers that are 100% made for windows 10?

You should use a proper audio interface that uses ASIO drivers if you want Cakewalk to run smoothly. On-board cards are for gaming and not optimized to use with a DAW

Does you audio interface have line inputs or combo jacks? There might be either a hardware or software toggle to change impedance for hi or low. Often noted as mike or instrument.

It depends on your workflow. I find using a wave editor speeds mine up as I'm much more efficient at using Wave Lab to do wave editing. There is a way to set up Cakewalk to open a track in your wave editor Scook made a tool to makes this set up easy. I think this is the correct link. http://forum.cakewalk.com/Adding-programs-to-the-SONAR-Utilities-Menu-a-new-tool-Updated-for-CbB-m3237117.aspx Actually that seems broken,, scook hopefully will chime in and post the updated link. I can't find it. Sorry. You can use Calkwalks tools but for me they are slower and involve more dialog boxes. The volume envolope is propably what a lot of folks use. I have also used the SPLIT function to chop up a track and delete parts or apply volume gain to quiet parts. don't worry about that "destructive" editing farce. Digital audio with back ups is very safe from harm. Go ahead, destroy it...

The GR is treated the same way you treat any midi controller. They are all the same in that they transmit midi data. I have a GR 50 looking at the specs for the GR 33 they are similar as far as using a GK PU and using DIN midi as output. Firstly I had always used Atari computers with built in DIN jacks. That always worked. Now I use an audio interface with DIN midi jacks. A MIDI sport should also work. Make sure you have the latest drivers for your OS installed,,, don't let Windows do this, download them from the manufacturers website. Go to the MIDI devices in preferences and make sure the midi sport is checked as an INPUT DEVICE. . Insert a MIDI track to your project and select the Midi sport as the input device OMNI. Now insert a VST instrument and assign the output of the MIDI track to that instrument. You may experience a bit of latency due to your systems capabilities. This is why Roland chose to hard wire the synth into to GR systems. to prevent latency. There is actually no midi involved. The GK drives the synth directly. What I do is use the GR 50 synth sounds for monitoring as I record. The recorded midi data will be in perfect snyc,,, it's just that using a VST to monitor you might have too much latency and it will throw your playing off. It's the same with digital drum kits on some systems. The synth sounds in the GR 33 can be recorded with audio cables via your audio interface.. They do not transfer through midi. midi is just data, not sound. But you know that.. I'm just repeating this as you'd be surprised how many folk don't know this.

What are your computer specs? I can run CbB on a old Sony laptop made in 2008. I do have a SSD drive and a whopping 4 GB of RAM. The processor is 1 core 2.4. It has no problems handling 24 tracks of audio with standard effects and a few VST' instruments. A little slow in the graphics that's all. But I think CJ has your answer-- are you using a proper ASIO audio interface?