Tenfoot

A bit of a trip down memory lane with some of these posts! I used Cakewalk products from the 12 tone days, only jumping ship with the demise of Sonar Mk1 at the hands of Gibson. Great to see that Noel is still at the helm! It will certainly be interesting to see where cakewalk goes now. Whilst I am old school and no fan of subscription models like Adobe, Sonars previous model (with the possible exception of the 11th hour lifetime subscription :)  was very fair. You really subscribed to the updates, not the program.

All the best to the Cakewalk team and now apparently immense user base for the future. Sonar rides again!

Hey Harddrive. I used Cakewalk for live performance with DMXIS for many years.  The best way to use DMXIS is as a standalone application running alongside Cakewalk rather than as a vst insert, and then trigger your scene  changes via midi notes from Cakewalk using virtual software midi cable such as loopbe (which is free for a single 'cable' version). That way DMXIS only needs to load once, and all of your scenes stay in ram rather than having to load with every song. It also solves the problem of blackouts between songs should it arise. The programming process is the same. Just store your scenes.  The only difference is how they are triggered. It is rock solid. 

With regards to your other issues, I had a similar problem with songs showing as 'dirty' with the asterix appearing upon loading into a setlist. It turned out to be a particular plugin causing it. Regardless, I believe there is an option in Cakewalk now to tell it to ignore any 'changes' if the song is loaded via a playlist. This should solve your problem. 

Your audio outputs are indeed stored with your Cakewalk song when it is saved as a .cwp. They should be correct as long as your hardware does not change. Unfortunately some drivers/interfaces will show up as different outputs when an external interface is unplugged and then reconnected. Have you tried ASIO drivers with your setup to see if they are more consistent? 

Another thing  you can do is to save all of your songs with the outputs assigned and your interface connected, then backup your configuration files. That way if you have any issues in the future you can quickly restore them. The files are  AUD.ini, ctlrsurface.dat, INSTRMAP.INI,  Master.ins and TTSEQ.INI. Not all of these apply to your audio i/o, but they are small files and backing up all of them saves your entire daw configuration.
 
Last time I used Cakewalk (win 10) they were located at C:\Users\"user name"\Appdata\Roaming\Cakewalk\(your version). Hopefully they still are

Great news mate! Well done:)

Hey @Ron Harrell . When you select Lyrics view as Chuck described above, it will by default open in the multidock.  Be aware that lyric view is track selection dependent. You need to make sure you have the track selected that contains the notes that will trigger the lyrics as the song plays - a single midi note for each word. Heres the process I use:

1. Write your song  lyrics in a text file

2. Create an empty midi track. This will be used to trigger your lyrics. It does not matter what instrument it is assigned to (if any) as it will be muted. It does not matter what notes you play. Just the timing is used to scroll through the lyrics. 

3. Record enable the track and start recording, and as the song plays, play a midi note for each word (exactly as they are written in your text file). Once done, this track can be muted.

4. With the midi track you just recorded selected, choose  Views> Lyric View. A window filled with dashes (one for each note you played) will appear in the multi dock. Drag its tab out of the multidock so that the window is free floating.

5. Select all of the lyrics in your text document and copy them (Ctl>C)

6. Now select all of the dashes in your lyric view window and paste the lyrics in (Ctl>V). The dashes will be replaced with your lyrics. 

7. Play back the song back and make sure that the highlighted lyrics are in time with your backing.

You can now set the font and resize the window to suit your screen layout. You can have a larger font and smaller window, as the lyrics will be highlighted and scroll with the song on playback. I generally like to have 4 lines visible the full width of the screen, but this is entirely up to you. Arrange all of the project windows as you would like them to appear upon opening. MAKE SURE THAT YOUR LYRIC TRACK IS SELECTED. Lock the current screenset, then save the song.

Hope that helps:)

55 minutes ago, noynekker said:

The update notes also reference a few specific Cakewalk fixes . . . which is great to see that Melodyne is paying serious attention to Cakewalk by Bandlab.

Hey @noynekker. Where did you read those release notes? The changelog on Celemony's website is actually for version 4.2, which did include fixes for both Cakewalk and Studio one. I just want to check it is worthwhile before messing with Melodyne:)

On 10/8/2019 at 6:03 AM, Gunnar Åkerlund said:

I haven´t been using Cakewalk for a while and when I started my Cakewalk computer I got a notice that I need to connect or stay in Demo-mode. I let the Bandlab assistant upgrade. Now some of my Modules like Tool, Snap and Transport is not working. Say I try to change the tempo or try to play.  Noting happens. The controls doen´t react. All other clickingseems to work. 

I´m using Win7 on Parallells on my Mac.

If you want to run Cakewalk with stability on a Mac your only real option is Windows OS via Bootcamp.

I believe the latest update is to ensure compatability with the latest Mac OS. Probably not hugely interesting to most Cakewalk users:)

On 9/22/2019 at 1:51 AM, InstrEd said:

LOL!    So far my kids have been good.   My problem with them is that they are obsessed with getting A's.  At the  parent teacher meeting , multiply teachers brought up that my kids are really hard on themselves. My wife and I told them that is them not us. We want them to do good but don't have to kill yourself's on getting all A's .  Right know  in Advanced math my younger one got mad because she only got a 94% in her last test.   Mind you she is overall at 118% in the class because she does all extra credit given.  Last year at the end of the semester she wasn't feeling good but still went to school and had a bad math grade. She did the extra credit the last week of school even though the teacher told her it wasn't necessary. Her response was I want to finish your class at over 100% and she did.   My wife and I keep asking, are  they really our kids because we both were average students 😃

Kids who aren't pushed yet want to do well, understand scienctific concensus, care about the planet and aren't afraid to speak up. Sounds like you and your wife could teach many others a lesson or two Ed.  Awesome job:) 

7 hours ago, Noel Borthwick said:

@TenfootDoes the new playlist option to not load the next project in the background solve your glitching problem?

It certainly does @Noel Borthwick. It could be my imagination, but projects seem to be loading much faster too rendering the pre-load unnecessary. The end result is that there is no glitching and zero waiting between songs. Projects with 40+ audio tracks, fx and midi control data are loading in 1 to 2 seconds! The first project in any list loads a little slower, but that has always been the case and is obviously not an issue. The discard changes works perfectly too. The playlist is back in action my friend! Drum replacer is also working like a charm. Thanks Noel - awesome job!

36 minutes ago, Noel Borthwick said:

The issue with drum replacer not showing waveforms until you click the clip has been fixed in the early access release. It actually broke during the ARA 2 update in May.
The loss of time sync when seeking was a different issue which is also addressed in the 09 release,

Drum replacer fixed AND improvents to the play list! Sensational work @Noel Borthwick

I had problems with drum replacer yesterday too. It's transient detection would only work sporadically, and when it did moving around the project would cause any tracks utilising drum replacer to play out of time. Its a hot mess:)

Addressed this in your other thread Ron. Works on my win 10 system with CbB. Hope it helps.

6 hours ago, Kurre said:

Maybe lenses could help?

It is possible to create a lense to override window placement. It works most of the time:) I have found the above method to be the only one that works perfectly every time.

If the Lyric View is docked in the multidock, simply right click on the 'Lyrics' tab in the multidock and choose 'undock'. You can then drag the lyric window to wherever you wish to place it.  It will always be the top window. Check that you have no active lenses (Top right of main screen>Lenses>None). Also check that the screenset you are using is not locked (Views>Screensets>Lock/unlock current screenset). Now save the project. From then on, whenever you open that project, the lyric view will be the top window located where you placed it prior to saving.

If the window placement is correct and you wish to make it permanent, simply lock the screenset (Views>Screensets>Lock/unlock current screenset) then resave the project. That way, even if you change the window layout whilst editing, the lyric view will always be restored to its rightful place on re-opening the project. 

(NB. The only window that can block the floating lyric view window is the Playlist window, so if using that feature make sure when organising your project windows that you leave space wherever you choose to locate your playlist)

If I'm not mistaken we have discussed this before and been waiting a while for this one @craigr68 Feels like Christmas:)

5 minutes ago, craigr68 said:

That sounds good.  I just would prefer not to have to hit a keypress and if it needs time to load, then load it during a small delay, so as not to interfere with playback.  I think it only takes about 2 or 3 seconds to load my songs.  I wonder if there could be a way to load during playback unobtrusively.  I'm just putting ideas out there.

I was just editing my post to include the pause as well as the wait for keystroke as you posted! Take a look. I think it would work exactly as we both need:)

39 minutes ago, craigr68 said:

Say you have 3 songs in a playlist.  If you set a delay for song 2, it looks to me like it doesn't do anything but wait during the delay between song 1 and song 2.  Then when the delay is over, and song 2 starts to play, it seems to then load song 3.  I hear some glitching while song 2 is starting to play as a result, and I have a very capable laptop loading off of SSD.  Shouldn't it be loading during the delay so as not to interfere with song 2?  Maybe Tenfoot's suggestion would solve this but wouldn't it be better to also have it load during the delay?

The suggestion I made would mean that the project would be loading in the delay/wait for keypress craigr68, but Noel's suggestion would solve our problem too.  The Ioading syntax would work the same as it does now, but not wait for the keypress/end of delay to commence loading the upcoming project, so it would be loading in the pause as you suggest. As the playlist completed project  A, it would close that project and immediately load project C, THEN wait for the keypress/end of pause to start playback of project B. If this were the case and nothing else changed, at worst we would need to load a dummy project at the start of the playlist to avoid a single instance of song loading whilst playback was taking place detween project A and B, though hopefully this would be addressed too.

4 hours ago, Kev said:

If your DAW computer doubles up as the "family PC", then I would definitely go for dual-boot.

The "family PC" could indeed introduce a level of chaos I had not considered Kev:)

5 hours ago, GreenLight said:

Thanks @Tenfoot, cool! Had no idea it existed, but I'm sure it can be very useful !

My first thought was that project loading times might be annoying, and then I read your post above... 😛

Give it a try though greenlight. This issue does not occur with every audio interface. There is zero load time in it's absence as the next project loads whilst the current one is playing.

1 hour ago, Noel Borthwick said:

Thanks I'll take a look. I think at minimum it should be preloading the next project ahead of time irrespective of the wait for keypress option.

@Noel Borthwick  takes Occam's razor to the problem! You my friend are a legend, even on the weekend:) That would be brilliant.

Both Windows and DAW's have come a long way Francisco. It is no longer neccessary to have a separate clean boot sector to have stable performance.  Windows 10 is very stable, and all of your software will work together just fine.

23 hours ago, Pathfinder said:

OK-It has been a long time since I even looked at the playlist. But I do not remember a "lyrics View"?

Where can I find info about the "lyric view" in playlist?

Thanks - I did search for it but came up empty.

 

Lyric view is not part if the playlist feature. It is a view within each project. It can of course be used in conjunction with the plalist. If you save a song with lyric view open, it will open that way from within the playlist.  Some details here:

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https://www.cakewalk.com/Documentation%3Fproduct%3DSONAR%26language%3D3%26help%3DViews.29.html&ved=2ahUKEwisw6q9iNHkAhUV7HMBHcOnBVAQFjAAegQIARAB&usg=AOvVaw1i5XJKlWZa6et9QfNx2yRQ&cshid=1568490266124

It has been around for a very long time Greenlight. It is great for live performance. Well worth checking out:

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https://www.cakewalk.com/Documentation%3Fproduct%3DSONAR%20X3%26language%3D3%26help%3DPlayback.37.html&ved=2ahUKEwi87KWih9HkAhUCjuYKHQXOBbgQFjADegQIBBAB&usg=AOvVaw16x5tdsixf3el-F1Ydvz2d&cshid=1568489973617

That is great news @Noel Borthwick. Whilst the playlist has your attention, there is an intermittent problem I have run into over many years of using it. With an enabled playlist ustilising 'wait for keypress', on certain devices, due to the fact that the upcoming project doesn't load until you start playing the current project,  playback is prone to small glitches as this happens. The problem seems to be asio driver dependent. The most recent device I encountered this on was the Behringer X32. It does not happen using wasapi mode, but then you are limited to 16 output channels.  Changing buffer settings does not help. I understand that this is probably a driver issue given that it works perfectly on some devices, but a small change to how the playlist functions would allow a workaround on any device. Would it be possible for the playlist to load ahead as the project that has just finished playing closes, rather than waiting for the keystroke for the next project to start. That way if the glitching problem presents itself you have the choice of waiting a couple of seconds until the upcoming project has finished loading before starting playback. So at the moment, with a playlist enabled and all songs set to wait for keypress:

1. Project A Loads and playlist waits.  2. Upon keypress, Project  A starts and Project B loads.  3. When Project A finishes it closes, and playlist waits for keypress. 4. Upon keypress, Project B starts and Project C loads.

Would it be possible instead to have:

1. Project A and Song B load.   2. Upon keypress, Project A starts.  3. As Project A closes, Project C loads and playlist waits.  3. Upon keystroke, Project B starts.  4. At the end of the song, as Project B closes, Project D loads.

Only 2 projects are ever open, as is the case now. The timing is such though that loading does not necessarily have to happen as playback is taking place. At the moment, loading only takes place during playback and there is no way to avoid it.

Just a thought. It may be too big a job, but you never know if you don't ask 

Regards,

Bruce.

19 hours ago, azslow3 said:

Connection is normally as stable as local network configuration (which is easy to configure wrong).

 

 

Maybe so, but on the same 3 setups the deeply integrated Studio One app works perfectly every time. Thats my point.